Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

[Gardener1850]

I still don't understand if he wanted to take JLC, he saw her, she was his objective, why wouldn't he have prepared to take care of her? Shampoo and soap are cheap and easily bought. His sisters clothes must have been far too large for her. And he made her hide under a bed and put music on to muffle any noise she made. Then he left for her for 12 hours at Christmas. All of that would point to impulsive behavior, not planning well. But then he plans, or so he says, minute details of the home invasion and abduction and even puts it on hold a couple of times because things are "right" or "perfect", so he's not impulsive about that. It makes me wonder if the objective was JLC or was it to terrorize a town by a horrific abduction and then disappearance of a child? and if so, why Barron? Why not Gordon? Or Haugen? Or even Superior?
ETA, did he just want to be famous? He had to know this was international news, is that what he was looking for? Is that the motivation his atty's have been promising to tell us?

I think he didn't bother to take care of Jayme's personal needs because he didn't see her as human. He didn't want a companion, a playmate or an equal partner. He saw her as an object. A trophy he could pull out from under his bed when he felt like it and order back under the bed when he bored of her. MOO.

Another issue is that if Jayme spent hours lying under the bed as described it would have been nearly impossible for her to keep her hair from getting matted. Her hair is a fine and naturally wavy type that tangles and mats easily. I've seen it happen to bed bound individuals. He would have needed to buy her a special de-tangling shampoo/conditioner and comb and let her use that every day. I doubt he would know what to get even if money was not an issue for him and he wouldn't want his family who visited him at the cabin to see that type of stuff and ask why he bought that. Since he is bald. Then there is the issue that if he bought Jayme shampoo she might not have wanted to shower. I doubt he gave her privacy for that. MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

I know who he's reminding me of, an early version of Terry Peder Rasmussen.
It's the lying on the job app. He lied about his dates of service and how long , he lied about the companies he worked for, he even lied about his high school graduation.
Was he trying to create a new person with a different history?
Was that his next thing, to disappear himself and recreate a new person?
Why lie about every detail about who you are?

I think he was just trying to make it look like he had job experience. Even normal people do that sometimes. Or at least stretch the truth. He may be a pathological liar, but from what we know it just seems like he was trying to look better. Unless there are some completely insane ones I haven't seen. Imo

 

[moonlessnight]

reporting on this is almost as bad as in the KB case.

Page 8 of the Complaint says that on one of the nights prior to the actual kidnapping, he drove several miles down the road near Sarona and stole license plates from a vehicle in a yard. Not from JC's home.

 

[Seattle1]

Yes, Ariel Castro is a horrific example of a " collector" psychopath.
He's also an example of a psychopath who killed himself while incarcerated, and it was NOT out of guilt. We know that!

As far as JP kidnapping and keeping more than one young girl, he would have had to plan a different type of restraint and sound control.
Also, I'm not sure there was enough food for 3 people to survive, because Jayme said there was something from a microwave " every day" but she didn't say if that was a single meal, a shared portion or what.
Early descriptions of her said she was thin. That part was dropped very quickly, I noticed, so it might have been a mistake.

Since we don't know what occurred from one day to the next with Jayme, and may have no right to ever fully know as she is a minor child, I'm not sure if abducting another girl at the same time was ever in his mind. I don't see parallels to A. Castro, as Castro was the collector in its most awful sense.

Oh, my stars, the things we humans can endure, live through, fight to survive out of instincts, and come out of alive. Unspeakable horrors from which there IS recovery.
Jayme's a warrior!

Daily microwave meal -- was that in the cc? I must have missed it.

 

[MassGuy]

I think he didn't bother to take care of Jayme's personal needs because he didn't see her as human. He didn't want a companion, a playmate or an equal partner. He saw her as an object. A trophy he could pull out from under his bed when he felt like it and order back under the bed when he bored of her. MOO.

Another issue is that if Jayme spent hours lying under the bed as described it would have been nearly impossible for her to keep her hair from getting matted. Her hair is a fine and naturally wavy type that tangles and mats easily. I've seen it happen to bed bound individuals. He would have needed to buy her a special de-tangling shampoo/conditioner and comb and let her use that every day. I doubt he would know what to get even if money was not an issue for him and he wouldn't want his family who visited him at the cabin to see that type of stuff and ask why he bought that. Since he is bald. Then there is the issue that if he bought Jayme shampoo she might not have wanted to shower. I doubt he gave her privacy for that. MOO.

Exactly. He couldn’t care less about her personal needs.

This was about him, and his needs.

 

[SeekingJana]

IMO "these types of folks" lie simply for their own gain.

EVERYTHING they do is for their own gain.
There is no world outside their rage, need to hurt others, incredible fantasy lives of abduction and torture.

We have many studies which have demonstrated that when facts were absolutely known and the psychopathic killers were questioned by non-threatening therapists who could neither help nor hurt the outcome of their incarceration, they would LIE.
LIAR LIAR LIAR, THEIR PANTS SOMETIMES DO CATCH FIRE in the commission of burning a victim's hair, or skin with a handmade torch or cigarette.
THEY WILL STILL LIE!!!

One of the hallmark features of development of psychopathy is lying about crimes, lying to try to get siblings in trouble, lying to escape detection, lying to get a lighter sentence, lying to get a woman to follow him out of a bar, lying to get a meal. Lying to have a place to sleep, lying to have AIR TO BREATHE. Elaborate stories when a simple explanation would have sufficed is a trait of the emerging psychopath. They are testing the limits of their ability to lie and " get away with it".

SOULNESS! As someone said earlier, as close to " Inhuman" as is possible.
There is NO sympathy in any part of my being for the violent psychopath. NONE.

NO SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVI, but so much empathy for the rescued angels, healing and living despite it all!

 

[MsMarple]

Officials with the Saratoga Liquor Co. in Superior, Wisconsin provided a copy of the application they received from Patterson on Jan. 10 to The Associated Press, the outlet said Thursday. The 21-year-old suspect was reportedly interested in a night position at the company’s warehouse, however his lack of required experience would have stopped the company from hiring him, they said.

In the resume that accompanied the application, which details Patterson’s past work experience and education, he also portrayed himself as “an honest and hardworking guy.”

Jayme Closs suspect reportedly applied for job, labeled himself an ‘honest guy,’ the day teen escaped

Interesting.

The resume was received by the company just after noon on January 10. That same day, Patterson, 21, told Jayme that he was leaving for a few hours. As he did for much of her captivity, he put her under his bed and blocked her in with several weights and totes before he left.

This time, though, Jayme pushed aside the weights and fled to safety, according to the criminal complaint. Just after 4 p.m., police received a call from a neighbor in Gordon, Wisconsin, saying that Jayme had escaped and was alive and well, ending a three-month search for the girl.

Jayme Closs kidnapping: Suspect applied for job the same day she escaped - CNN

 

[moonlessnight]

ugh - I just had a thought. if he uses jobs to locate victims (hypothetically), could he have been planning to get rid of JC and she knew this and fled bc she knew she had to at this time?

Someone mentioned he had applied for a job the day Jayme was found. Is there a link for that or any info on it? tia

 

[SeekingJana]

Daily microwave meal -- was that in the cc? I must have missed it.

I believe Jayme said it at the time of the 911 tape or it's been said by her since that time. But, I believe in conversation with the other ladies. I'll go look for it, OK? Will post link if I find it but it might take me some time to find. I have a photographic memory in details, but not the sources..

I CANNOT FIND THE SOURCE TONIGHT, BUT WILL ADD IT WHEN/ IF I FIND IT. I RETRACT THIS STATEMENT DUE TO LACK OF SOURCE. I AM SO SORRY!

 

[moonlessnight]

lack of attachment does not have to lead to RAD, and it can also lead to ASPD. But I was not talking specifically about the child in that article. I was speaking generally.

Just a quick note, it is a long article, but there was one brief paragraph that mentioned that she was in foster care, during the first 2 years, and had no delays, when she was adopted. One doctor, out of many, explored the possibility that she might have reactive attachment disorder, from lack of bonding, but she ended up with the diagnosis of uncallous traits and lack of empathy not a diagnosis of RAD.

 

[MassGuy]

ugh - I just had a thought. if he uses jobs to locate victims (hypothetically), could he have been planning to get rid of JC and she knew this and fled bc she knew she had to at this time?

We have absolutely no evidence that he used jobs to locate victims (atleast with that specific intention).

A job was not a necessary means to that end.

At some point, I do think that Jayme would have become a liability though.

We all know how that would have ended up.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Just a quick note, it is a long article, but there was one brief paragraph that mentioned that she was in foster care, during the first 2 years, and had no delays, when she was adopted. One doctor, out of many, explored the possibility that she might have reactive attachment disorder, from lack of bonding, but she ended up with the diagnosis of uncallous traits and lack of empathy not a diagnosis of RAD.

How does anyone not know foster care with the two brothers ???

If the parents threw up hands and said foster care is best... than they obviously saw this coming.. surely the neighbor isn’t just making foster care up ??

Don’t know foster care..
Why he was out of marines

I’m guessing foster parent/parents are in hiding or didn’t exist.

 

[moonlessnight]

he did in fact locate his victim while in the act of reporting for his job. supposedly.

We have absolutely no evidence that he used jobs to locate victims (atleast with that specific intention).

A job was not a necessary means to that end.

At some point, I do think that Jayme would have become a liability though.

We all know how that would have ended up.

 

[MassGuy]

he did in fact locate his victim while in the act of reporting for his job. supposedly.

Yes. But that is not proof that he got that job for that purpose.

 

[kkdj]

How does anyone not know foster care with the two brothers ???

If the parents threw up hands and said foster care is best... than they obviously saw this coming.. surely the neighbor isn’t just making foster care up ??

Don’t know foster care..
Why he was out of marines

I’m guessing foster parent/parents are in hiding or didn’t exist.

It's a pretty remote area. Maybe the neighbor hadn't seen the boys for awhile and just assumed foster care. idk. I'm assuming this was around the time of the parents divorce. Was the divorce volatile? Perhaps the parents thought it was best to remove the children from the home for a bit. Again, idk. Regardless, the divorce happened and from schoolmates and the mom (?) it sounds like their hardworking dad was their primary caretaker. Eventually JP ended up in the family home alone. Not good.

 

[MassGuy]

It's a pretty remote area. Maybe the neighbor hadn't seen the boys for awhile and just assumed foster care. idk. I'm assuming this was around the time of the parents divorce. Was the divorce volatile? Perhaps the parents thought it was best to remove the children from the home for a bit. Again, idk. Regardless, the divorce happened and from schoolmates and the mom (?) it sounds like their hardworking dad was their primary caretaker. Eventually JP ended up in the family home alone. Not good.

Yeah. This information came from a single neighbor.

I strongly doubt that there was ever any foster care.

 

[MsBetsy]

How does anyone not know foster care with the two brothers ???

If the parents threw up hands and said foster care is best... than they obviously saw this coming.. surely the neighbor isn’t just making foster care up ??

Don’t know foster care..
Why he was out of marines

I’m guessing foster parent/parents are in hiding or didn’t exist.

I wish we knew if he was in fact in foster care at any point, and if so, why.
I guess it's possible that the neighbor thought they were in foster care because they lived with another parent somewhere else at one point. I read that the parents filed for divorce twice, and decided to try to stay together after the first time, but finally went through with it when Patterson was around 12. Maybe they lived seperately for a time and the boys moved out temporarily.
Or maybe they really were in Foster care. Imo

 

[Lillymac]

ugh - I just had a thought. if he uses jobs to locate victims (hypothetically), could he have been planning to get rid of JC and she knew this and fled bc she knew she had to at this time?

That was a thought I had about her escaping. I wasn't thinking about him looking for victims at jobs. I just couldn't see how he could continue to hold her and be gone at night.

 

[Lillymac]

he did in fact locate his victim while in the act of reporting for his job. supposedly.

He was stopped behind her school bus while she was boarding it. He was on his way to work.

 

[human]

I still don't understand if he wanted to take JLC, he saw her, she was his objective, why wouldn't he have prepared to take care of her? Shampoo and soap are cheap and easily bought. His sisters clothes must have been far too large for her. And he made her hide under a bed and put music on to muffle any noise she made. Then he left for her for 12 hours at Christmas. All of that would point to impulsive behavior, not planning well. But then he plans, or so he says, minute details of the home invasion and abduction and even puts it on hold a couple of times because things are "right" or "perfect", so he's not impulsive about that. It makes me wonder if the objective was JLC or was it to terrorize a town by a horrific abduction and then disappearance of a child? and if so, why Barron? Why not Gordon? Or Haugen? Or even Superior?
ETA, did he just want to be famous? He had to know this was international news, is that what he was looking for? Is that the motivation his atty's have been promising to tell us?

It is possible that he has no idea of how to take care of anyone. Look at the house he is living in. Does junk piled in the house and junk cars in the yard exhibit understanding how to care for anyone? Disorganized.

Often I would see that lots of junk in the yard indicate alcoholism or some other issues