It could be so many different reasons;Assuming Kathleen left home under her own power, why did she leave her house so early?
Yes, and it's also true that those with suicidal ideation, once they make up their minds to do it, often feel a sense of relief (or even elation). So, people who interact with them just before the suicide have no idea what they're about to do. Not that I think this is what happened with Kathleen. I have absolutely no idea.Jmo but suicide is not an insult to the victim or family. It is a sad fact of far too many deaths in the US.
For those who think this a homicide, why did the police spokesperson go out of his way to indicate there was no evidence it was? You'd think that warnings would be liberally applied via the media if a middle-aged, middle class woman were carjacked perhaps at an area business, perhaps robbed or raped, and then murdered in the grisly aftermath of the first crimes. The police don't sit on their hats to suppress such warnings, they serve and protect. They don't hint at suicide in such a circumstance if they aren't darned sure that is what happened.
Why the distrust here of their spokesperson's statement?
It's actually quite clear though indeed one must be mindful of its context ("investigation ongoing").There is no distrust of the statement. It’s ambiguous. Interpretations are subjective.
It's actually quite clear though indeed one must be mindful of its context ("investigation ongoing").
"There is nothing that has brought us to any conclusion that somebody did this to Kathleen," said Lake County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Sgt. Christopher Covelli. "We don't have any evidence somebody caused this to happen to Kathleen."As of that statement [published 26 April], police had nothing to suggest this was other than an accidental death, or suicide.
Sons ask for answers in Milwaukee mother's mysterious death
Yup! Suspects have been known to burn houses and cars so no DNA left behind. I'm sure if someone did this to her, they had a record.What evidence do they have (that we know of)? All we know is that Kathleen’s body and vehicle were incinerated. Any/all possible evidence at the scene was destroyed. All they had to analyze were burned bones. Her body was found in the passenger seat.
Edit to add: Therefore, if someone did do this to her, they left no evidence behind. Sounds like a perfect crime to me.
People...do none of you realize that LE more than likely has all of this stuff and just has omitted it from public knowledge? That's how a criminal investigation works. They aren't going to tip their hand until they have enough evidence to build a case. They aren't going to release to the public "we have her cell phone tracked to such and such at this time". There is no way they are telling the public everything they have. If they did, the investigation would be over.
Yup! Suspects have been known to burn houses and cars so no DNA left behind. I'm sure if someone did this to her, they had a record.
About her phone: During his May 2nd interview, one of Kathleen’s sons, Zach, talks about what he and his family did to find her after the game ended and she still hadn’t showed up. Starting around 7:15, he says:Would they be able to track her phone throughout the missing hours? Can you tell where a phone has been if not used, does it still show contact with towers along the way? If so, they may have been able to track her movements fairly specifically and watched all available video along her routes...and seen nothing of interest apparently.
Just checked...it can be done, unless she had turned off all location tracking apps.
About her phone: During his May 2nd interview, one of Kathleen’s sons, Zach, talks about what he and his family did to find her after the game ended and she still hadn’t showed up. Starting around 7:15, he says:
“After the game, it’s probably now, I don’t know, it’s 6, 6:15, 6:30, ‘Hey, we haven’t heard from your mom,’ so we call, and you know, originally, it rang, um, I think, and then went to voicemail, and then after, I don’t know, maybe an hour or so, it just went, straight to, uh, straight to voicemail. So heard nothing.”
Lake County Sports Talk, Ep. 71: Zack Ryan
When the call went through (rang) before going to voicemail, it means there is record of which cell tower that carried the call, so the police knows where the phone was near at 6'ish that evening.About her phone: During his May 2nd interview, one of Kathleen’s sons, Zach, talks about what he and his family did to find her after the game ended and she still hadn’t showed up. Starting around 7:15, he says:
“After the game, it’s probably now, I don’t know, it’s 6, 6:15, 6:30, ‘Hey, we haven’t heard from your mom,’ so we call, and you know, originally, it rang, um, I think, and then went to voicemail, and then after, I don’t know, maybe an hour or so, it just went, straight to, uh, straight to voicemail. So heard nothing.”
Lake County Sports Talk, Ep. 71: Zack Ryan
Good catch. So does that means it was turned off?
I agree with what Via Marple said. LE should have a pretty good idea of where Kathleen was up until the phone started going straight to voicemail, IMO.When the call went through (rang) before going to voicemail, it means there is record of which cell tower that carried the call, so the police knows where the phone was near at 6'ish that evening.
When it went straight to voicemail, the phone was turned off, or battery was flat, or it was being used, or the sim card was taken out etc. Police should be able to at least rule out some of the possibilities.
Moo