WI - Six killed, 4 injured in Sikh temple shooting, Oak Creek, 5 Aug 2012

[Peliman]

Here's some live streaming on air reports coming from Milwaukee.

http://fox6now.com/on-air/live-streaming/

 

[Jacie Estes]

Witness says gunMEN sat four people down and shot them.

How horribly sad for the Sikh community.

When will these extremists stop being so ignorant and stop targeting people because they are different? Sikh are peaceful and they are NOT Muslim.
:banghead:

At some point an education might help but then those who wish to create havoc are happy in their ignorance.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXKg8HYzm8"]true sikhism is tolerance, sikhs are NOT muslims - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't think we know yet if the shooter was some type of extremist who confused these people with muslims.

I think from reading this article, authorities are saying its too early to know for sure:

http://m.jsonline.com/news/crime/re...kh-temple-in-oak-creek-qc6cgc0-165059506.html

 

[HMSHood]

Sikhs have a history conflict with Muslims and can get bloody. Sikhs were target of a pogrom in 1984 following the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi.

An unholy alliance? Racism, religion and communalism
http://www.irr.org.uk/news/an-unholy-alliance-racism-religion-and-communalism/

The Voice from the Rural Areas: Muslim-Sikh Relations in the British Punjab , 1940-47
http://www.apnaorg.com/articles/sandhu-1/

1984 Anti-Sikh Riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_anti-Sikh_riots

 

[elmomom]

I don't think religion is important here at all. I think this is yet another angry hateful US male, who was fed violence as entertainment, and hatred as a way of life, and just blew up and went out and shot up the thing he conveniently found to blame his problems on. Just like the last guy and the guy before that...
It can be a religion, it can be a liberal, it can be a rightwinger. It can be a President, or a Pope. it can be a black guy, it can be a white guy. It can be a theater full of happy people, or a school full of kids. The target isn't the point, the envronment that conditions the weak of mind to exhale stress as violence, and that allows more guns to be manufactured than the population at large... This is the problem.
Jmo

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I don't think religion is important here at all. I think this is yet another angry hateful US male, who was fed violence as entertainment, and hatred as a way of life, and just blew up and went out and shot up the thing he conveniently found to blame his problems on. Just like the last guy and the guy before that...
It can be a religion, it can be a liberal, it can be a rightwinger. It can be a President, or a Pope. it can be a black guy, it can be a white guy. It can be a theater full of happy people, or a school full of kids. The target isn't the point, the envronment that conditions the weak of mind to exhale stress as violence, and that allows more guns to be manufactured than the population at large... This is the problem.
Jmo

If the victims were targeted because of their religion, then religion, and especially religious intolerance, is important here. We should not be sweeping the problem of people being killed because of their religion, race, or sexual orientation under the carpet because there are other murders that occur everyday where that didn't play a part.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

More info on tattoo:

Tattoos on the body of the slain Sikh temple gunman and certain biographical details led the FBI to treat the attack at a Milwaukee-area temple as an act of domestic terrorism, officials said Sunday.



Federal officials cautioned against thinking that a concrete link to a domestic terrorism group or hate group had been established.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...e-domestic-terrorism-20120805,0,6094643.story

 

[Jacie Estes]

I don't think religion is important here at all. I think this is yet another angry hateful US male, who was fed violence as entertainment, and hatred as a way of life, and just blew up and went out and shot up the thing he conveniently found to blame his problems on. Just like the last guy and the guy before that...
It can be a religion, it can be a liberal, it can be a rightwinger. It can be a President, or a Pope. it can be a black guy, it can be a white guy. It can be a theater full of happy people, or a school full of kids. The target isn't the point, the envronment that conditions the weak of mind to exhale stress as violence, and that allows more guns to be manufactured than the population at large... This is the problem.
Jmo

We will find out, won't we?

 

[Jacie Estes]

If the victims were targeted because of their religion, then religion, and especially religious intolerance, is important here. We should not be sweeping the problem of people being killed because of their religion, race, or sexual orientation under the carpet because there are other murders that occur everyday where that didn't play a part.

BBM

I agree with you. An inked up white guy, shooting and killing people in the parking lot of a Sikh Temple and then going inside and killing people is an extremist action. I'm sure it was more than him not liking their heads wrapped.

At some point in time, this 'US against THEM' mentality has to stop, no matter who the US, or the THEM is. A total waste of life. IMHO.

 

[elmomom]

If the victims were targeted because of their religion, then religion, and especially religious intolerance, is important here. We should not be sweeping the problem of people being killed because of their religion, race, or sexual orientation under the carpet because there are other murders that occur everyday where that didn't play a part.

Hate is hate, and violence is violence. I just think that it is all the same, and so should be treated the same. I don't care if you shoot me Becasue I am ugly, female, atheist, Muslim, gay or space alien. I just care that you shot me. Now, what I care is why is this happening? Because of religious intolerance? No, lots of intolerant ash^#les out there aren't going out and shooting folks. Is ending religious intolerance going to change things? No.... I don't think so. I am trying to say we need to get past all the labels, and view hate as hate and violence as violence and ask ourselves how we can, as a society, figure out how to avoid this syndrome of man in emotional turmoil finds an object to hate and blows them away. Becasue that is all it really is.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

There is always the possibility of someone affiliated with a group like this:
http://www.canada.com/news/Canadian...macists+reaching+rank+file/6802031/story.html

There is more in this article: http://www.asianjournal.ca/nov 18_11/roar_2.html

It was also revealed that the group had considered plans to storm a Sikh temple on a killing spree, attack a school and target other groups and individuals.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

But the "inked up white guy" could have just been deranged and started shooting for no reason.

My point is, although this may turn out to be religiously related, we just don't know right now.

http://mobile.washingtonpost.com/rs...-a19c-fcfa365396c8_mobile.mobile&cid=-1&spf=1


But federal law enforcement officials said it was too early to tell what happened and why.

“Right now, it’s just a mass shooting,” said a federal official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not an authorized spokesman. “What you have is somebody who went into a Sikh temple and opened fire. Who knows what his motivation was.’’

Teresa Carlson, special agent in charge of the FBI’s Milwaukee Division, said that “while the FBI is investigating whether this matter might be an act of domestic terrorism, no motive has been determined at this time.”

 

[Jacie Estes]

I don't think we know yet if the shooter was some type of extremist who confused these people with muslims.

I think from reading this article, authorities are saying its too early to know for sure:

http://m.jsonline.com/news/crime/re...kh-temple-in-oak-creek-qc6cgc0-165059506.html

For the record, my comment made two statements.

The first was that an extremist committed this act.

The second was that Sikhs are peaceful.

 

[elmomom]

I have no doubt that the reason that shooter chose those victims was based on religion. He chose a religious institution having a religious ceremony to do his shooting. So, anyone claiming that religion had nothing to do with his choice of targets is being overly cautious in their statements, IMHO.
Pease don't mistake my words, I get the religious intolerance part. I just think that all these years of picking apart the why's of the target and adding laws and protections has not solved the problem, and the problem is HATE and VIOLENCE. Who the person chooses to hate is of little or no significance to me anymore. To me, everyone has value, and no one is more tragic a victim than another.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

For the record, my comment made two statements.

The first was that an extremist committed this act.

The second was that Sikhs are peaceful.

I know what it said. I read it and responded.

We don't know the motive of this shooting YET.

This man may have been an extremist. But as of now, we have not been given any info stating that as fact. That was the point of my post and the link I provided.

 

[katydid23]

But the "inked up white guy" could have just been deranged and started shooting for no reason.

My point is, although this may turn out to be religiously related, we just don't know right now.

http://mobile.washingtonpost.com/rs...-a19c-fcfa365396c8_mobile.mobile&cid=-1&spf=1


But federal law enforcement officials said it was too early to tell what happened and why.

“Right now, it’s just a mass shooting,” said a federal official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not an authorized spokesman. “What you have is somebody who went into a Sikh temple and opened fire. Who knows what his motivation was.’’

Teresa Carlson, special agent in charge of the FBI’s Milwaukee Division, said that “while the FBI is investigating whether this matter might be an act of domestic terrorism, no motive has been determined at this time.”

Maybe his ex wife ran off with a Sikh, or ran off to study in the temple. Maybe the Sikh temple was built on his family's land. [ I know none of the above is true, just saying it might be something more specific than religious intolerance.]

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Maybe his ex wife ran off with a Sikh, or ran off to study in the temple. Maybe the Sikh temple was built on his family's land. [ I know none of the above is true, just saying it might be something more specific than religious intolerance.]

Thanks Katy. That's what I'm trying to say.

We just don't know yet.

Like you, I would just rather wait for facts from LE before I try to assume this guy's motive.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

His targets were men with turbans. Although it hasn't been officially released, he seemed to be specifically targeting the priests IMO. It was also noted that there was (a priest?) or someone visiting at that time. I wonder if that person may have been a possible target.

At this time anything can take a twist though. It will be interesting to see where he lived prior to just moving in that neighborhood and if he moved there as part of his plan to commit the crime.

I just hope we don't see this having a chain effect. Please no more!!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Tom Ahern, a spokesman for the ATF, told reporters the suspect was a 40 year old old white male. He did not provide additional details and would not confirm reports the suspect had a tattoo.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/reports-from-the-scene-of-shooting-at-sikh-temple/

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://wap.wisn.com/wap/news/text.j...1&ith=2&title=Local+News&headtitle=Local+News

A vigil for the victims of Sunday's Oak Creek shooting has brought hundreds of people to Milwaukee's Cathedral Square.