WI - Sylville Smith, 23, fatally shot by Milwaukee PD officer, 13 Aug 2016 *Arrest*

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.@SheriffClarke: "Failed liberal urban policies" are to blame for the #riots in #Milwaukee. http://fxn.ws/2aUuMnG

 

[katydid23]

Right. But I thought you were pointing out how 'much better' things were now in Watts. And talked about families and cops playing ball together, etc. And I am just saying that it is not the same demographics, which is one reason it is easier for community policing there now.[/QUOTE
Yes, I did post the article that showed some blacks. But, Latinos are second in being killed by police. That does not sound positive, does it?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/black-men-werent-unarmed-people-killed-police-last-week/

But the cultural conflicts that exist between black families vs LE are not the same as with Hispanic families vs LE. As a general rule. Hispanic families come here for the 'American Dream.' The families WANT to take part in the success they feel awaits them. They do not have the same ugly history with civil rights and slavery, so it is easier for them to accept LE and try to co-exist.

There is a very messy, ugly history that is hard for us to overcome.

 

[galiuro]

My opinion on this is that it is not really a race issue. It is a class/poverty issue. It just so happens that in many parts of America it seems to be minorities that make up a large portion of the lower class. The question is why? That is where the frustration comes from....

I think we can all agree that in western society, especially America, the rich keep getting richer, driving a bigger and bigger wedge between classes. That is why the poorest of us all feel "oppressed". Socialism is not going to fix the problem. People do not need hand outs, they are all fully capable of taking care of themselves but they do need an even playing field and for that to happen the rich need to stop making each other richer at the expense of the poor. JMO

This is true but the Black Lives Matter group is not helping solve the issue; they only divide it and in so doing cause more far more problems than they solve.

 

[CoolJ]

Actually, countries with a social net are the ones where poor have mobility. The myth of moving up in America is just that. A myth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=0

http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/09/news/economy/america-economic-mobility/

Well the social net may be needed now in America the same way guns are needed in America. Because for both issues we are past a point of no return. But if the playing field were even I do not believe people need handouts. I am speaking about fixing things at a fundamental level and to do that we need to get to the source of our problems which i see as being the financial system in general. When private "banks" are printing money for profit the power becomes more and more centralised to a point where fewer and fewer people are in control (read: dictating) of the masses.

JMO

 

[CoolJ]

This is true but the Black Lives Matter group is not helping solve the issue; they only divide it and in so doing cause more far more problems than they solve.

Most folks who support the BLM movement are good people of ALL races, religions and social class who just want to see a level playing field for everyone. There are factions within the BLM movement who causing the the issues and creating division but the overall message is genuine. BLM is just a re-brand of the Occupy movement . Probably funded by the same "elitist" folks who are the problem to begin with (read: George Soros and the like)

 

[human]

Well the social net may be needed now in America the same way guns are needed in America. Because for both issues we are past a point of no return. But if the playing field were even I do not believe people need handouts. I am speaking about fixing things at a fundamental level and to do that we need to get to the source of our problems which i see as being the financial system in general. When private "banks" are printing money for profit the power becomes more and more centralised to a point where fewer and fewer people are in control (read: dictating) of the masses.

JMO

We have been programmed in the US to think certain things are handouts.In most countries of the World that would be considered First World Nations, they have free health care. In France, a nurse comes for one year to the home of someone who had a baby. They have long paid vacations in Europe. Education may be free for college. There is parental leave.

All of these things are not considered hand outs like we have been brainwashed to think in the US.

 

[IBsleuthin]

No. I live in a majority African American neighborhood and almost every business in my neighborhood are poc. The rest DRIVE to other areas. Why do you assume that they need to catch a bus?.

I apologize ahead of time, what does POC mean?

 

[galiuro]

Most folks who support the BLM movement are good people of ALL races, religions and social class who just want to see a level playing field for everyone. There are factions within the BLM movement who causing the the issues and creating division but the overall message is genuine. BLM is just a re-brand of the Occupy movement . Probably funded by the same "elitist" folks who are the problem to begin with (read: George Soros and the like)

Not according to the platform recently released; it was quite detailed in its exclusivity.

 

[K_Z]

I apologize ahead of time, what does POC mean?

"Persons of Color". Its a new euphemism for minorities. It includes people who are bi-racial, multiracial, etc. It's felt to be more inclusive, right up until the media or activists or politicians decide that one specific racial group or another needs to be separated out for special attention. Then they revert to "black", or "african american", or "biracial", or "asian", or "hispanic", or "white", or "middle eastern", or "indian", or "native american", etc.

But it's all quite confusing, because while hispanics are considered minorities, the media invented yet another euphemism: "white hispanics", so that they could continue the false narrative that white people are hunting and preying on black people. One minority preying on another didn't fit the narrative (hispanic on black shooting), so "white hispanic" was invented to make GZ more "white" than "hispanic" or "biracial". That was back in the Trayvon Martin/ George Zimmerman days, but the term persists, even in recent news articles (the Philando Castile shooting by Officer Geronimo Yanez as another example of "white hispanic"). I have yet to determine is there is a "non-white hispanic" subdivision the media has invented.

Maybe we should all just be varying shades of "beige". Or "flesh colored". Flesh colored pretty much covers everyone individually, right?

The media, and politicians, and race activists, are pushing racial divisions far more than exist in the real world. The media and politicians like to pour gasoline on any story to see if they can spin it into a racial bias. IMO.

 

[krkrjx]

Decades ago there was major rioting in Milwaukee and everyone was ordered to stay indoors. For several days no one was allowed outside for any reason except life or death emergency. People were arrested just for being outdoors; it was an attempt to stop the looting and general mayhem that was going on as for weeks fighting back had only aggravated the situation.

That citizen lockdown is what finally ended the rioting that by then had gone on for weeks. My brother was visiting relatives in Milwaukee and when the riots broke out he could not leave to return home. He said they were, in fact, confined to the apartment around the clock for three days.

 

[Wysteria]

I needed to go to bed earlier than usual last night due to a dental appointment this morning. ( I'd signed out earlier than I usually do).
I closed my eyes and said some prayers that the night (of 8/14/16) would be calm, and no injuries or deaths would occur. No violence, no "protests".

I've not seen anyone here on this site post gleeful comments regarding upcoming violence?
I had posted earlier in the day that I was relieved that none of the "protesters" were run over because they were walking and sitting in the middle of the street.

In any event; I've watched some of the live stream video archives and found myself cringing.
The "protesters" were hurling bricks and bottles at LE, refusing to leave when asked time and time and time again, screeching awful obscenities at LE and other assorted disturbing and alarming actions.
Violent actions.

Also, there are some comments on this thread regarding trauma.
Unless these posts have been removed? I've yet to check.
One of my many concerns is that children are brought by adults to these riots.
If you listen and look carefully; some of the children were crying, others were walking in the street, others were in strollers pushed by adults in the middle of the street, others being dragged along because they were unable to walk as fast as the adult...etc...
These children are being exposed to the violence, the obscenities, the hatred of LE...all of it.
I think that being exposed to these riots is very traumatic for children.

I think that perception of these violent riots and the perceived reason why they occur are vastly different.

 

[IBsleuthin]

While I'm on my rant I will leave you all with this thought:

Very soon in the United States, people with an average income of about $38,000 won't be able to afford to own or maintain a vehicle. (and that is a whole lot of people right there in that group).

ALL of these new vehicles have a price point that is just beyond the reach of a single income and it takes two incomes to handle a newer car. The car manufacturers have it priced that way because they know from the census bureau how much everyone makes per year. (That's a fact).


As these newer vehicles age and need repairs to their ultra expensive and fancy technological advancements, (ie: computer chip everything) the average person trying to buy a used car and get buy will be UNABLE to afford to repair their car. This is actually already happening. People driving a 10 year old car are finding that the cost to repair the computer harness or what have you costs more than what the car is worth.


That's the facts. That's the future.

If we don't get together as a whole and start demanding that the car manufacturers correct this problem, we are going to become a group of WALKERS.

 

[K_Z]

Let's be honest... this being a justified shooting will not change how this community is reacting now, and going to react tonight and Tuesday night etc. We have learned that the facts are not what is important in these cases. imo

I nominate this for post of the day. Well said.

The facts don't matter to the rioters, the evidence doesn't matter, either. They are just rioting to riot-- rioting for anarchy, so they can loot and destroy. And all the pseudo-intellectual activists pretend they are rioting about some kind of warped mob-based justice, or faux-noble cause, and they are so "frustrated" the poor, poor rioters cannot help themselves, but to hurt, kill, and destroy.

"If only" the rioters weren't so "oppressed" by police enforcing the laws, and lawmakers MAKING laws, and everyone else looking down on them and "keeping them down" (especially white people), then it would all be rainbows and unicorns in our little *advertiser censored* ba yah socialist utopia. Anything, anything, to keep from taking personal responsibility for their actions, and their decisions, and their lives. IMO.

 

[IBsleuthin]

AND if anyone wants to talk about government handouts and welfare recipients, I'll be over in the corner here at my table showing the facts on FARMING.

If you ever want to get into a fist fight in a rural bar just bring this subject up. IT'S A HOT TOPIC.

 

[IBsleuthin]

I nominate this for post of the day. Well said.

The facts don't matter to the rioters, the evidence doesn't matter, either. They are just rioting to riot-- rioting for anarchy, so they can loot and destroy. And all the pseudo-intellectual activists pretend they are rioting about some kind of warped mob-based justice, or faux-noble cause, and they are so "frustrated" the poor, poor rioters cannot help themselves, but to hurt, kill, and destroy.

"If only" the rioters weren't so "oppressed" by police enforcing the laws, and lawmakers MAKING laws, and everyone else looking down on them and "keeping them down" (especially white people), then it would all be rainbows and unicorns in our little *advertiser censored* ba yah socialist utopia. Anything, anything, to keep from taking personal responsibility for their actions, and their decisions, and their lives. IMO.

Actually I nominate your post for post of the day...particularly the last paragraph. TOTALLY agree.


(BBM).

 

[IBsleuthin]

"Persons of Color". Its a new euphemism for minorities. It includes people who are bi-racial, multiracial, etc. It's felt to be more inclusive, right up until the media or activists or politicians decide that one specific racial group or another needs to be separated out for special attention. Then they revert to "black", or "african american", or "biracial", or "asian", or "hispanic", or "white", or "middle eastern", or "indian", or "native american", etc.

But it's all quite confusing, because while hispanics are considered minorities, the media invented yet another euphemism: "white hispanics", so that they could continue the false narrative that white people are hunting and preying on black people. One minority preying on another didn't fit the narrative (hispanic on black shooting), so "white hispanic" was invented to make GZ more "white" than "hispanic" or "biracial". That was back in the Trayvon Martin/ George Zimmerman days, but the term persists, even in recent news articles (the Philando Castile shooting by Officer Geronimo Yanez as another example of "white hispanic"). I have yet to determine is there is a "non-white hispanic" subdivision the media has invented.

Maybe we should all just be varying shades of "beige". Or "flesh colored". Flesh colored pretty much covers everyone individually, right?

The media, and politicians, and race activists, are pushing racial divisions far more than exist in the real world. The media and politicians like to pour gasoline on any story to see if they can spin it into a racial bias. IMO.

Wow. This is what happens when I don't watch TV. (cancelled the cable about a year ago). Thank you for all this information.

wow. I look forward to the day when we stop putting labels on each other.

 

[K_Z]

I forgot to add to my "POC" post that I actually intensely dislike the term "POC", precisely because it implies an "us together against THEM" (non-whites unified against whites").

Personally, I think the term "POC" is quite divisive. It emphasizes differences, rather than emphasizing unity. It's "anti-diversity". And we all have to have those diversity classes crammed down our throat these days, so whenever something new pops up that is "anti-diversity", it sure catches my attention.

 

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Maggie Angst ‏@MaggieAngst
Mayor announces curfew for teens, 4 police officers and 4 county deputies injured during #MilwaukeeUnrest overnight

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2016/08/15/mayor-announces-curfew-teens/88763360/

Sherman Park, located at 3000 N. Sherman Blvd., will also be closed to the public starting at 6 p.m. until 6 a.m. and will continue until further notice, due to an order from Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr., according to the Milwaukee County Sheriff’s Office.

 

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A.J. Bayatpour ‏@AJBayatpour 34m34 minutes ago
Sister of #SylvilleSmith in exclusive interview: being black is a risk every day.If he was armed, it was for defense


A.J. Bayatpour ‏@AJBayatpour 9m9 minutes ago
The interview with Smith's sister has much to unpack. Swayed between encouraging community building and expressing deep mistrust. #Milwaukee


A.J. Bayatpour ‏@AJBayatpour 9m9 minutes ago
Smith's sister made clear she will not accept the official account, not even the video when it's released.

 

[galiuro]

A.J. Bayatpour ‏@AJBayatpour 34m34 minutes ago
Sister of #SylvilleSmith in exclusive interview: being black is a risk every day.If he was armed, it was for defense


A.J. Bayatpour ‏@AJBayatpour 9m9 minutes ago
The interview with Smith's sister has much to unpack. Swayed between encouraging community building and expressing deep mistrust. #Milwaukee


A.J. Bayatpour ‏@AJBayatpour 9m9 minutes ago
Smith's sister made clear she will not accept the official account, not even the video when it's released.

If he was armed for defense then why run from the police in the first place and then not drop the gun when ordered to?