Witness accounts

[vlpate]

I think it was only one member of congress, I don't know if I'm allowed to post his name, he is from Illinois.

T-I-C - members of congress made fools of themselves. The point was, many were hoodwinked by the hype. They went on an on about how TM was murdered for walking black....as if it were fact because Crump told them so. Witnesses were, IMO, swayed the same way judging by their changing stories.

 

[AJ Noiter]

All this talk about Trayvon's GF, wow! Having raised 3 daughters, and one son. (My son, by the way, if he were posting on this thread would be agreeing with those who are defending GZ), I can tell you all three of my daughters would have called me first before anyone else, and I would have called their Dad, so I'm thinking maybe it was her parents who made decisions for what she was going to do.

I would hope that her parents would've told her "we know that your friend is dead now, you NEED to call the police and tell them what you heard!"

 

[ynotdivein]

I see that we are in a field.

It is far afield from the specific discussions about witness accounts that are the subject of this thread.

There is some kind of ungulate nibbling on my shoelace in this field.

Let us hasten back over to the topic-specific field before Kimster comes to zap us all, leaving only a crop circle where this thread used to be.

Witness Accounts, take eleventy-two:

 

[suzihawk]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anonymou...ews-trayvon-martin-attacked-george-zimmerman/

There's a video about half way down the page regarding witness 'John'.

At @ .53, George says, "I"m part of the neighborhood watch." Where did this come from?? It wasn't part of the NE911 call that I'm aware of. :waitasec:

 

[GrandmaTo4]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anonymou...ews-trayvon-martin-attacked-george-zimmerman/

There's a video about half way down the page regarding witness 'John'.

At @ .53, George says, "I"m part of the neighborhood watch." Where did this come from?? It wasn't part of the NE911 call that I'm aware of. :waitasec:

bbm

You're right, suzihawk.

At one point the dispatcher asks Zimmerman, "Do you live in the area?" George says, "yes." The dispatcher then asks George, "What's your apartment address?" George says, "It's a home."

If Zimmerman had prefaced his call by stating he was a member of the neighborhood watch, the dispatcher would have no reason to ask George the questions he did.

Did you notice there was a statement on that video saying the video had been edited since the original tape was shown? Something's fishy. I too NEVER heard George say on the infamous non-emergency police call that he was a neighborhood watch guy.

What in the heck was the purpose of THAT edited addition?

imo

 

[suzihawk]

bbm

You're right, suzihawk.

At one point the dispatcher asks Zimmerman, "Do you live in the area?" George says, "yes." The dispatcher then asks George, "What's your apartment address?" George says, "It's a home."

If Zimmerman had prefaced his call by stating he was a member of the neighborhood watch, the dispatcher would have no reason to ask George the questions he did.

Did you notice there was a statement on that video saying the video had been edited since the original tape was shown? Something's fishy. I too NEVER heard George say on the infamous non-emergency police call that he was a neighborhood watch guy.

What in the heck was the purpose of THAT edited addition?

imo

Hi GT4...

It says at the bottom of the article that the post has been edited. I'm not sure if that means the video was edited or not. It very well could be. I just know he didn't say that in the non-emergency 911 tape we've all heard. So I'm wondering where that came from? Was it from another call that Zimmerman made? IDK. Very confusing...

 

[GrandmaTo4]

I would hope that her parents would've told her "we know that your friend is dead now, you NEED to call the police and tell them what you heard!"

Why would the Black parents of the Black teen girlfriend have any more faith and trust in the Sanford Police Department than the rest of the Black citizens who watched the murderer of an unarmed Black boy walk free the same night Trayvon Martin was carted off to the morgue as a "John Doe?"

If the girl was my daughter I wouldn't let her go anywhere near the Sanford Police Department or give them ANY statement ... not even on the phone!

imo

 

[GrandmaTo4]

Hi GT4...

It says at the bottom of the article that the post has been edited. I'm not sure if that means the video was edited or not. It very well could be. I just know he didn't say that in the non-emergency 911 tape we've all heard. So I'm wondering where that came from? Was it from another call that Zimmerman made? IDK. Very confusing...

bbm

Well, suzi, it surely could have. Fortunately, they had several dozen other Zimmerman police calls to choose from, didn't they? _

imo

 

[vlpate]

bbm

You're right, suzihawk.

At one point the dispatcher asks Zimmerman, "Do you live in the area?" George says, "yes." The dispatcher then asks George, "What's your apartment address?" George says, "It's a home."

If Zimmerman had prefaced his call by stating he was a member of the neighborhood watch, the dispatcher would have no reason to ask George the questions he did.

Did you notice there was a statement on that video saying the video had been edited since the original tape was shown? Something's fishy. I too NEVER heard George say on the infamous non-emergency police call that he was a neighborhood watch guy.

What in the heck was the purpose of THAT edited addition?

imo

They just mixed another call with the original, I think. Unless he told the first person to answer the phone that.

 

[LambChop]

T-I-C - members of congress made fools of themselves. The point was, many were hoodwinked by the hype. They went on an on about how TM was murdered for walking black....as if it were fact because Crump told them so. Witnesses were, IMO, swayed the same way judging by their changing stories.

But isn't that exactly what happened???? Why else would GZ be following TM when GZ had no other information on him? TM was doing nothing wrong and GZ had no information that TM WAS doing anything wrong other than walking and that was certainly not enough for GZ to get out of his car to pursue TM. It's dark out, you are following someone in your car and you get out and pursue them on foot what possible results could GZ have expected if he were to confront TM? But I guess GZ was not worried because he was the one with a gun. Again this is off topic. jmo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Hi GT4...

It says at the bottom of the article that the post has been edited. I'm not sure if that means the video was edited or not. It very well could be. I just know he didn't say that in the non-emergency 911 tape we've all heard. So I'm wondering where that came from? Was it from another call that Zimmerman made? IDK. Very confusing...

It was Fox news attempting to mislead people and then the supposed Mediate media watchdogs going right along with it trying to justify it.. LOL LOL

 

[suzihawk]

Since Robert Zimmerman Sr is now listed as a witness in this case his statements will be questioned.

In this recent article, he states:

“I saw him the next morning. He looked like hell. I said, ‘Who beat you up?’ Zimmerman said.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/14/v-fullstory/2799569/zimmermans-father-our-lives-will.html


In earier statements he admits being present at the police department the night GZ was detained.

On Monday, Robert Crump, who represents Martin's family along with Jackson, sent a letter to the Justice Department which said that on the night of the shooting "family members of shooter George Zimmerman were present at the police department."

"Do you think being a judge affected this case in any way?" the reporter asked. "Do you think they gave George an easier time because of this?"

Robert Zimmerman said it did not. "No one knew that I was a retired magistrate judge. I didn't mention it to the police, I didn't mention it to the state attorney's office.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/04/trayvon-martin-lawyer-rai_n_1403282.html

Wouldn't Zimmerman Sr already be familiar with his son's alleged injuries? Why would he ask about them the next morning?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

First, Crump will never be called as a witness because he is not a witness to anything. Second, TM was a John Doe because his father had not looked for his son or contacted police until 14 hours after Trayvon went to a convenience store for skittles for his soon to be step-brother. The wording in the above quote, as regards the morgue, seems very harsh, by the way. IMO
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I know I haven't missed the document dump containing the information that they didn't call the carrier, so where else might I find this information?


"The girl was so distraught after the killing that she spent a night in the hospital, the lawyer said." ABC Link

The description I used as to TM being on a slab in the morgue, is what it is. His father did call him in as missing and usually the police will not look till well after 48 hours unless the child is a minor or if there are special circumstances...

I believe TM was a John Doe due to SPD not caring enough to find out WHO is he and WHO his parents are...their investigation shows they didn't care enough to find out who he last spoke to, even as they had his cellphone..I believe they dropped the ball big time...

Tracey Martin after showing the police a photo of his son, they went and got their morgue photo of him to show his father...why is that a harsh description? It's the truth as I see it...it's not any more harsh than how GZ murdered this child...


I also wonder what the DOJ has uncovered in their investigation, if anything..

It appears the evidence is being stacked against GZ as I believe his story is unravelling bit by bit...I believe the video might just show GZ was in hot pursuit of TM and he never backed down..I also believe the evidence might show, GZ hunted TM down...

Are you that sure Crump will never be called as a witness? He just might due to HIS interviewing the cellphone witness, when SPD failed to do that..his account of his conversation with that witness might provide the truth behind what she heard unfold in her ears..

I believe he should be very worried if this gets elevated to a hate crime..

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[LiveLaughLuv]

Since Robert Zimmerman Sr is now listed as a witness in this case his statements will be questioned.

In this recent article, he states:



http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/14/v-fullstory/2799569/zimmermans-father-our-lives-will.html


In earier statements he admits being present at the police department the night GZ was detained.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/04/trayvon-martin-lawyer-rai_n_1403282.html

Wouldn't Zimmerman Sr already be familiar with his son's alleged injuries? Why would he ask about them the next morning?

Good catch, Suzi...I believe this family misrepresents the truth, the bond hearing solidified that for me..they never allow GZ to take responsibility for his actions, it's always someone elses fault GZ gets into violent confrontations..it appears to me, they coddle him which is why at 28, he still doesn't know his profession...he's failed at any attempts at businesses or gainful employment..I suspect he's not in any rush to be the sole supporter of his family...he's a whiney, wannabe everything and master at nothing..:banghead:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I wonder if the neighbor of GZ's at Twin Lakes Retreat will be called upon as a witness as to GZ's aggressive tactics in his 'role' as CW volunteer? Will that be used as more 'evidence' against GZ? Besides his propensity for violence, he is also aggressive...I also read the ex fiance's statement and it appears, GZ has no boundries and is very controlling, at least to her, it appears that way to me..so I wonder if GZ's behavior will also be front and center...:maddening:

A volunteer community watch captain who shot an unarmed Florida teenager to death last month had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics, a homeowner said.

At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1340358.html

 

[suspicious1]

Good catch, Suzi...I believe this family misrepresents the truth, the bond hearing solidified that for me..they never allow GZ to take responsibility for his actions, it's always someone elses fault GZ gets into violent confrontations..it appears to me, they coddle him which is why at 28, he still doesn't know his profession...he's failed at any attempts at businesses or gainful employment..I suspect he's not in any rush to be the sole supporter of his family...he's a whiney, wannabe everything and master at nothing..:banghead:

ITA! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[LambChop]

Not everyone thinks all 'children' are innocent and are in need of 'advocacy'.

Most people do, however, when there is no proof that this particular child had done any wrong. From the time GZ spotted TM there is nothing TM was doing that GZ described that was actually an indication he was about to commit a crime. Nothing. jmo

 

[Just K]

22 civilian witnesses
video from the 7-11
video from the clubhouse

dark rainy night and only one porch light on

GZ huffing, puffing, stopping, tapping or knocking, recorded saying "oh $h!t", distracted (possibly getting some "advice" or non-verbal cues from a neighbor who comes outside or onto his porch)

"John's" account may be unraveling just as fast as GZ's.

This reminds me of a popular Weaser song, Undone...

"If you want to destroy my sweater, pull this thread while I walk away..."

 

[cityslick]

Most people do, however, when there is no proof that this particular child had done any wrong. From the time GZ spotted TM there is nothing TM was doing that GZ described that was actually an indication he was about to commit a crime. Nothing. jmo

I'm the last person to question anyone's opinion. Everyone has that right, correct, to have an opinion, whatever their 'forum title' shows?

 

[cityslick]

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Could be, some adults are treated like that as well. I personally think everyone should be treated and thought of as innocent until all facts and evidence come forth but I'm apparently in the minority on that one.