Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #5

[screecher]

Adam's lawyers make it perfectly clear the Zahaus did not dispose anyone nor ask for written discovery before March of this year. All of the earlier depositions were called by the Defense.

If anyone is trying to hold up the proceedings, it is the Zahaus and their lawyer. Why? Because they know they won't like the deposition answers proving that the Defendants were only concerned about Max, not murdering Rebecca Zahau.

You added an "of" to my sentence, "new" poster feelinghip. But you bring up a good point...we don't know that, do we? After all, we don't have video tape of the Zahaus every move for all of their lives, so could be. Rebecca and/or her sister just may have "disposed of" little Max. Too bad Jonah did not have video survellience of the stairwell. Maybe someome should sue all the Zahaus in civil court to find out if any of the family, including violent brother, Solo, has "disposed of" anyone.

But we do know the Zahaus have not deposed any of the Defendants in this case. Ask yourself why that would be? After almost 1000 days? Maybe because they know the defendants know nothing about Rebecca's suicide - the one she planned with the use of a book on "Rope Binding Techniques" and the Korean movie, The Housemaid? Maybe because she did this to "punish" the man she supposidly loved even more than she had by Max's freak "accident"? Maybe because Law Enforcement got it right?

Can't wait to see what other great facts we will learn from Adam, Dina, and Nina, that show Rebecca killed herself in the Summary Judgement Pleadings they will file!

IIRC, lulu, people have absolutely been deposed...not your word "disposed". AS was one of those desposed.

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[screecher]

And bourne, yeppers. imo, boom boom dina and her 'twin' nina are deathly afraid of being deposed. It must be wearing on them.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^, Screecher, you are incorrect, as my previous post proves. <modsnip>


Here is my proof - again, and I have bolded it for you:

Although the opposition claims that Plaintiffs are

3 "diligently pursuing" discovery (Opp. at 8:5), the reality is that they have not. Prior to 2016,

4 Plaintiffs served a sum total of one third-party subpoena (on March 26, 2014) and noticed one

5 deposition (on October 23, 2014) that did not take place.

(Third party means someone that is NOT a defendant or plantiff.)

IMO, the only "irrational and twisted vendetta" has been the one against the innocent Shacknais, the people that lost a sweet child and then were further tramatized by Rebecca Zahau, and now her family.

That misguided vendetta has been going since July 2011, and its beginnings are recorded in the comment section of the Coronado Patch, where the "Justice for Rebecca" group was formed. Those people were wrong then, and they are still wrong.

When this case is either thrown out at summary judgement, or after the Zahaus lose the case and are heavily fined by the Judge, perhaps then those people will realize how they have been taken advantage of by the con artist Zahaus - Rebecca included.

 

[CricketFern]

LuckyLucy2 why are you so convinced this is about money? You mention it in nearly every post, you seem obsessed by the monetary aspect of the suit, can you explain why you feel it is the most relevant aspect?

 

[*Lash*]

I would think that DS and NR would love the opportunity to show that while their alibis and explanations and interviews do not pass the smell test, in some people's opinions, that they could prove how wrong so many people are about them.

The public venue of a courtroom will be a great place to clear all that air. If they have any proof whatsoever, I'm sure it will be heard.

For AZLawyer: I don't know exactly how the discovery process works, but I think that there would be dispositions? In that case, do both sides get to question the person giving the statements? Who can we expect to be disposed in this case? When will the discovery process start?

TIA!!!

Once the issues with the Complaints are all figured out and assuming the cases are not dismissed entirely, I would expect depositions to start in one or both cases within a couple of months. I imagine the first priority will be to depose the individual defendants, although down the road I wouldn't be surprised if law enforcement people are deposed as well. Both sides are allowed to ask questions, but many times the person's own lawyer doesn't ask questions, because the primary purpose for most depositions is to gather information you don't already have.

BBM-

The issues with the complaints, demurrers, etc, were resolved on 3/11/2016. The Honorable Judge Bacal dismissed the defendants demurrers and ordered the suit to move forward. See Minute Order 325. A little over 4 months have passed since the ruling.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Suit-Court-Docs-Links&p=12351167#post12351167

IIRC, it was also discussed awhile back that it was not uncommon for a plaintiff to gather as much discovery as possible before deposing a defendant. We are just now entering the discovery phase. In my opinion, the plaintiffs are waiting to depose certain defendants after they have obtained what they need to complete a thorough deposition. JMO.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

LuckyLucy2 why are you so convinced this is about money? You mention it in nearly every post, you seem obsessed by the monetary aspect of the suit, can you explain why you feel it is the most relevant aspect?

Because a Civil trail IS about money, CricketFern. In the very long shot that the Zahaus would win, Rebecca's death would still be ruled a suicide, no one would go to jail, and the Zahaus would be $10 Million richer.

Just a few of the other reasons I think it s all about $$$ for the Zahaus:

1. Mary Zahau came out in the press just 8 days after Rebecca's death to say she would never believe it was suicide. I believe she did this at the urging of Anne Bremner, who told her she could make $ in a Civil case.

2. They dug up Rebecca and had a 2nd autopsy in a manner that could not be used in a Criminal trial.

3. They have gone to the media probably over 100 times to say that Rebecca was murdered - every sleazy journalist they could find that would print their lies they used - even though one journalist told Gore that "he knew it was suicide, but murder got better ratings". (Paraphrased).

IMO, a family using the media in thie manner in a case involving two tragic deaths is a tactic you would use if you want someone to pay you to shut up, or if you want to taint the jury pool of a future Civil case - to make $$$.

If the Zahaus had real evidence, they would have been able to reopen the case with law enforcement.

It is all about $10 Million dollars.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

BBM-

The issues with the complaints, demurrers, etc, were resolved on 3/11/2016. The Honorable Judge Bacal dismissed the defendants demurrers and ordered the suit to move forward. See Minute Order 325. A little over 4 months have passed since the ruling.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Suit-Court-Docs-Links&p=12351167#post12351167

IIRC, it was also discussed awhile back that it was not uncommon for a plaintiff to gather as much discovery as possible before deposing a defendant. We are just now entering the discovery phase. In my opinion, the plaintiffs are waiting to depose certain defendants after they have obtained what they need to complete a thorough deposition. JMO.

Lash, your quote from AZLawyer referrences TWO casess; "I would expect depositions to start in one or both cases within a couple of months." The Federal case was dismissed in what, Nov. 2013? March of 2016 is much, much more than just a "couple of months".

What was the date of AZLawyer's post?

The Defendants certainly deposed long ago, so there was no legal reason for the Zahaus to wait. It is just good to see the theory that Dina and Nina are scared to be deposed and have been avoiding it debunked

It is the Zahaus that have been avoiding deposing the Defendants or anyone else - for whatever reason.

BTW, Lash, could you be so kind to tell me if there is a spell check in the Advanced post area? I have not been able to find one - and it would be sooooo helpful. Thanks in advance!

 

[*Lash*]

LuckyLucy2,

The Federal suit was dismissed on 10/23/15. See Federal document 99. Closed. There was no need for further discovery.

The State suit continued after the Federal suit was dismissed. The Honorable Judge Bacal ordered the State case move forward on 3/11/16. See Minute Order 325.

If you click on the boxed arrow next to AZlaywer's quote, it will take you to the original post from 9/29/14.

I am not familiar with a spell check on here. I would suggest asking a moderator.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Valeant is in the news again. There is a criminal investigation. I don't know how to link the article from my phone.

 

[Betty P]

Here's a link

REPORT: Valeant is under criminal investigation

http://www.businessinsider.com/report-valeant-is-under-criminal-investigation-2016-8

Federal investigators are considering bringing charges of defrauding investors with its relationship to specialty pharmacy Philidor, reported The Journal, citing unnamed sources familiar with the matter.

According to the report, US district attorneys in New York are considering whether Philidor unfairly directed patients toward higher-priced drugs made by Valeant instead of lower-cost options without revealing the relationship between the two firms.

Investigators are looking into whether Philidor told insurers that it had no relationship with Valeant in order to secure coverage of the higher-priced drugs.

 

[screecher]

Thank you Gilgamesh and Betty P !!!

I bettcha an ex wife went and spilled all she was privy to hahaha&#128558;&#128513;

 

[K_Z]

And in other news, the Zahau Wrongful Death lawsuit is now 1001 days old. Next scheduled action is 8/24/16. New entries (scheduling) #393-400 on ROA.

Case Number: 37-2013-00075418-CU-PO-CTL Date Filed: 11/13/2013
Case Title: Estate of Rebecca Zahau vs. Shacknai [IMAGED] Case Status: Pending

Case Age: 1001 days

Future Events
Event Date Event Time Location Event Type
08/24/2016 08:45 AM C-69 Ex Parte
08/24/2016 08:45 AM C-69 Ex Parte

400 08/10/2016 Ex Parte scheduled for 08/24/2016 at 08:45:00 AM at Central in C-69 Katherine Bacal.
399 08/10/2016 Ex Parte scheduled for 08/24/2016 at 08:45:00 AM at Central in C-69 Katherine Bacal.
398 08/08/2016 Summary Judgment / Summary Adjudication (Civil) scheduled for 05/19/2017 at 01:30:00 PM at Central in C-69 Katherine Bacal.
397 08/08/2016 The Summary Judgment / Summary Adjudication (Civil) was rescheduled to 05/19/2017 at 01:30:00 PM in C-69 before Katherine Bacal at Central.
396 08/08/2016 Summary Judgment / Summary Adjudication (Civil) scheduled for 05/19/2017 at 01:30:00 PM at Central in C-69 Katherine Bacal.
395 08/08/2016 The Summary Judgment / Summary Adjudication (Civil) was rescheduled to 05/19/2017 at 01:30:00 PM in C-69 before Katherine Bacal at Central.
394 08/08/2016 Summary Judgment / Summary Adjudication (Civil) scheduled for 05/19/2017 at 01:30:00 PM at Central in C-69 Katherine Bacal.
393 08/08/2016 The Summary Judgment / Summary Adjudication (Civil) was rescheduled to 05/19/2017 at 01:30:00 PM in C-69 before Katherine Bacal at Central.

https://roa.sdcourt.ca.gov/roa/faces/CaseSearch.xhtml

 

[screecher]

Am I'm reading this right? May 3017? WTF????

 

[screecher]

Am I'm reading this right? May 3017? WTF????

2017???

 

[LuckyLucy2]

To try and connect Dina Shacknai to the Valeant investigation is simply ludicrous, and illustrates how unlogical the hate for Dina is on this forum. Jonah Shacknai or she would know nothing about the inner workings of the company that bought Medicis in Sept. 2012. :hilarious:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444301704577629612452953028

 

[Waitaminute]

"The plaintiffs' Sept. 5, 2013, complaint related to claims of sex discrimination and a hostile workplace prior to the acquisition as the result of actions perpetuated by Medicis&#8217; former CEO Jonah Shacknai and other senior-level male management that trickled down throughout the workplace".

yeah. she might have more knowledge of latter times.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ Wait a minute, Waitaminute; can you post a link for that quote? It refers to 2013. The investigation we are discussing was just reported.

Your quote is not from the link Betty P posted, or the link I posted.

This is what the Valeant investigation is about (from Betty P's link):

BBM
Federal investigators are considering bringing charges of defrauding investors with its relationship to specialty pharmacy Philidor, reported The Journal, citing unnamed sources familiar with the matter.

Since this Valeant investigation has nothing to do with Medicis or Jonah Shacknai, Dina would know nothing and your quote is misleading, unless you supply a link. :notgood:

 

[bourne]

Screecher and Waitaminute, you two are correct. Dina is likely involved in opening the cat in the bag for the Valeant lawsuit which also charges Jonah Shacknai of "sexual harassment" amongst other things. Note the LHKitty blog that was founded solely to soil Rebecca Zahau and her family's name? Well, check this article out (link below) wherein the name "Kitty Cat" is directly cited.

"One of the lead plaintiffs, Bonnie Brown, said her supervisor [Jonah Shacknai] at Medicis created nicknames for female employees such as &#8220;Kitty Cat&#8221; and &#8220;Ice Queen&#8221; and said she witnessed male employees make sexual advances toward their female counterparts at business functions.

http://www.law360.com/articles/816516/valeant-unit-settles-sex-discrimination-claims-for-7-2m

 

[Betty P]

Screecher and Waitaminute, you two are correct. Dina is likely involved in opening the cat in the bag for the Valeant lawsuit which also charges Jonah Shacknai of "sexual harassment" amongst other things. Note the LHKitty blog that was founded solely to soil Rebecca Zahau and her family's name? Well, check this article out (link below) wherein the name "Kitty Cat" is directly cited.

"One of the lead plaintiffs, Bonnie Brown, said her supervisor [Jonah Shacknai] at Medicis created nicknames for female employees such as &#8220;Kitty Cat&#8221; and &#8220;Ice Queen&#8221; and said she witnessed male employees make sexual advances toward their female counterparts at business functions.

http://www.law360.com/articles/816516/valeant-unit-settles-sex-discrimination-claims-for-7-2m

What a bunch of low class pigs.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Screecher and Waitaminute, you two are correct. Dina is likely involved in opening the cat in the bag for the Valeant lawsuit which also charges Jonah Shacknai of "sexual harassment" amongst other things. Note the LHKitty blog that was founded solely to soil Rebecca Zahau and her family's name? Well, check this article out (link below) wherein the name "Kitty Cat" is directly cited.

"One of the lead plaintiffs, Bonnie Brown, said her supervisor [Jonah Shacknai] at Medicis created nicknames for female employees such as &#8220;Kitty Cat&#8221; and &#8220;Ice Queen&#8221; and said she witnessed male employees make sexual advances toward their female counterparts at business functions.

http://www.law360.com/articles/816516/valeant-unit-settles-sex-discrimination-claims-for-7-2m

Sorry Bourne, you are incorrect. These are two different lawsuits - neither of which Dina would have been a part of. The Plantiffs in the case you link were Bonnie Brown, Leslie Baginski, Lisa Cummings-Gallina, Laurie Introp, Lisa Levine, Bridget Oliveto, & Lindsay Pihaly on behalf of themselves and all others similarly situated,

The case you link was settled in July, and covered the years 2008 -2011 - Dina did not work at Medicis at that time so could not have been included.

All women regularly employed directly by Medicis or by Medicis indirectly through Quintiles, Innovex or QFR Solutions in the Aesthetics Division or Dermatology Division in the following field sales positions at any time from April 15, 2008 up to and including December 10, 2012

The Valient case covers the time after the company was bought from Medicis, so again, Dina could not have been included.

According to the report, US district attorneys in New York are considering whether Philidor unfairly directed patients toward higher-priced drugs made by Valeant instead of lower-cost options without revealing the relationship between the two firms

Facts are important, as is critical thinking.

If anything, this should garner some sympathy for Dina. Sounds like Jonah could not be faithful to anyone - even Rebecca, since the following shows he was cheating on her in June of 2011.

While we were attending the 2011 National Sales Meeting, I was sitting with two other female employees, [AG] and [KW] during the happy hour meet and greet. [KW] became really uncomfortable and had tears in her eyes after a manager had come up and was whispering in her ear. After he left, I asked if she was ok and she said no and couldn't believe what she was just told. He told her that Jonah Shacknai was proud of her rep of the year award and that he wanted to &#8220;f*ck&#8221; her ...

http://medicisgendersettlement.com/...xpansion-of-the-Scope-of-the-Class-Claims.pdf

June 2011 Meeting - http://cafepharma.com/boards/threads/national-sales-meeting-2011.468622/

Wonder if cheating was the reason for Maxie's "accident", as some early posters in these forums claimed? There certainly was a ton of anger in her vindictive nude suicide.