WY WY - Fox Park, WhtFem 28-58, UP9904, jeans, shoes, jewelry w/initials 'MSS', Aug'99

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rats said:
Adding one ruleout since last update:

Kimberly Allen 1958 Wyoming
Bobbi Campbell 1970 Utah
Hazel Klug 1962 Virginia
Skyla Marburger 1995 New Mexico
Elizabeth Rogers 1931 North Carolina
Patricia Schmidt 1964 Virginia
Martha Shelton 1944 Kentucky
virginia uden 1947 Wyoming
Colleen Voitik McHugh 1963 Illinois
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Lynn Bush 1964 Wyoming has been added to the ruleouts list.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9904

aside: I notice that adding new ruleouts doesn't cause the case's last modified date to change.
 
astridxx said:
How does anyone feel about Victoria Bakhtiari?

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Her weight is definitely inline with someone who would wear size 16 jeans. She was last seen Nov. 1998 in Brighton, CO which is 157 miles southeast of Foxpark.
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There's a lot to like about this possibility. All the demographics fit (granted that's not a lot of information) and while I wouldn't say she exactly resembles the sketch, there's nothing about it to rule her out, either. Unfortunately it looks like she doesn't have any identifiers, which means she wouldn't have been picked up automatically but also means they probably can't confirm if it is her.


https://apps.colorado.gov/apps/coldcase/casedetail.html?id=4 indicates she had mental health issues. Her doenet page (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3543dfco.html) doesn't include any additional information.

This page http://www.unresolvedhomicides.org/victim/bakhtiari-victoria/ has her date of birth if anybody wants to try to do an ancestry or people search.


Brighton CO appears to be a suburb of Denver. It's about two hours from Denver to Laramie, the nearest large town to where the body was found, and it's a trip many people make regularly, especially if they're in the ranching or mining business. Also, the University of Wyoming is in Laramie. (Here's a case of another woman who was found near Laramie: http://www.kgwn.tv/home/headlines/Laramie-County-body-identified-as-missing-woman-378444821.html)
 
creepedout said:
There is very little to go on here, no middle name or even a picture, but I've located in Namus a 47-year old Maureen Sherman who was last seen in Miami FL in May 1985. Her height is listed as 62 inches, and DNA is on file.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12413
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I started a thread for Maureen: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-47-Miami-02-May-1985&p=13888984#post13888984

Maybe we can find a picture or a middle initial or at least more about her case circumstances.
 
creepedout said:
There is very little to go on here, no middle name or even a picture, but I've located in Namus a 47-year old Maureen Sherman who was last seen in Miami FL in May 1985. Her height is listed as 62 inches, and DNA is on file.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12413
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Gardener1850 said:
I started a thread for Maureen: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-47-Miami-02-May-1985&p=13888984#post13888984

Maybe we can find a picture or a middle initial or at least more about her case circumstances.
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Creepedout, I'm not finding much on Maureen other than what I have posted over in her thread, but you may want to submit her anyway. An interesting fact that could be relevant is that Maureen's late husband had the initials "SS". His father's name started with an "M". Perhaps this was a ring passed down to Maureen's husband (hence the MSS) and he gave it to her. Or perhaps she had a ring made with her first initial and his initials.
 
Gardener1850 said:
Creepedout, I'm not finding much on Maureen other than what I have posted over in her thread, but you may want to submit her anyway. An interesting fact that could be relevant is that Maureen's late husband had the initials "SS". His father's name started with an "M". Perhaps this was a ring passed down to Maureen's husband (hence the MSS) and he gave it to her. Or perhaps she had a ring made with her first initial and his initials.
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Good work, interesting stuff. A complete long shot, but I've gone ahead and submitted. I think I can safely say these probably have never been compared before.

Both a sketch and a clay reconstruction are shown on doe network. Annoyingly, only the sketch is shown in Namus, and it looks nothing like the recon. Probably no improvement over not having a picture at all.
 
creepedout said:
Good work, interesting stuff. A complete long shot, but I've gone ahead and submitted. I think I can safely say these probably have never been compared before.
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Thank you for submitting even though there is little to go on. I was hoping to find a picture for you to compare but I'm not sure where she went to school. She was born in Rhode Island and married in Boston. I found a Maureen Mclaughlin (her maiden name) in 1955 and 1956 Lowel, Mass. Highschool yearbooks that is the right age range. I also found another one who went to Boston College in 1960. But there are similar aged women with the same name in New York and New Jersey and some in the Midwest and California. I didn't want to post pics until I was more sure it's the missing Maureen. Anyway, the Maureen in the Lowell, Mass yearbooks has a rounded face and sort of a squared off jaw like the sketch. Her nose looks identical to me as well. The one who went to Boston college in 1960 doesn't look the same though. Maybe someone else with ancestry can take a look and see if they can find more on the missing Maureen. But I'm glad you submitted her regardless!
 
Thanks for the detective work. I found Maureen by searching Namus through the lost & found system for anyone with the initials MS going backwards from 1992 or so (and of course, female, white, age range). It was surprising how few there were, I believe there were less than five all the way back to 1937, the earliest case entered that matched the above parameters. One of them even had the initials "MSS", but of course she was already on the rule-out list.
 
I don't believe I had heard anything about this. Odd. I used to camp and hike and fish a lot around Fox Park area years ago. I haven't been there for a while though. Its beautiful. Brutal in winter.
 
Nancy Sellers' DNA is on file, and there's nothing obvious to rule her out here either. Probably a better chance of this being her than the Miami case. Gardener1850, can you see if she has any relatives with initials that match the ring?
 
creepedout said:
Nancy Sellers' DNA is on file, and there's nothing obvious to rule her out here either. Probably a better chance of this being her than the Miami case. Gardener1850, can you see if she has any relatives with initials that match the ring?
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I tried to look up Nancy to add to her case thread and found very little. Just an address associated with her name in Green River, WY. I cannot find anyone else listed at that address to figure out who her relatives might be. I'm not sure the address still exists. I didn't find any newspaper articles about her disappearance either. :(
If I find anything else about her I will post in her thread.
 
Gardener1850 said:
Thank you for submitting even though there is little to go on. I was hoping to find a picture for you to compare but I'm not sure where she went to school. She was born in Rhode Island and married in Boston. I found a Maureen Mclaughlin (her maiden name) in 1955 and 1956 Lowel, Mass. Highschool yearbooks that is the right age range. I also found another one who went to Boston College in 1960. But there are similar aged women with the same name in New York and New Jersey and some in the Midwest and California. I didn't want to post pics until I was more sure it's the missing Maureen. Anyway, the Maureen in the Lowell, Mass yearbooks has a rounded face and sort of a squared off jaw like the sketch. Her nose looks identical to me as well. The one who went to Boston college in 1960 doesn't look the same though. Maybe someone else with ancestry can take a look and see if they can find more on the missing Maureen. But I'm glad you submitted her regardless!
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It's a common name in areas with a lot of Irish immigrants, which makes it a lot harder to figure out :p
 
Perhaps 'MSS' stands for Multiple Sclerosis Society?
 
This may have been discussed before, but I never really looked at the engraving up close on this one:
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https://identifyus.org/en/cases/9904

Is it just me or does it look like there is a dot and extra space between the M and the SS?

M. S S

Could the M mean Mr or Mrs? In which case the person's initials would be SS.

OR could the M be a Roman Numeral instead? Although, I don't know what 1000 SS could be. :thinking:
 
Thanks for posting the photo - is everyone 100% is it MSS and not SSW? It does look more like an M than a W to me since it has straight sides, but just a thought.
 
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