Found Deceased WY - Gabby Petito, Grand Teton National Park #88

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Unless outside forces intervene, domestic violence ALWAYS intensifies and becomes worse.
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I'm not sure that's accurate, but I'd be happy to look at your source.

Over the years, I've known several women who left abusive spouses/boyfriends/partners. I don't think any outside forces entered into their decisions.

I know that some relationships fall into the category you're talking about, but I think they are exceptions rather than rules. Those are the tragic ones we hear about in the news. Like Gabby and Brian's relationship.

Then, there are the mean drunks. I've wondered many times if Brian was drinking when he killed Gabby. We'll never know now, but there are men (and probably women) who conduct themselves well until they start drinking. Then, they're abusive terrors.

Outside intervention is nice—if it happens—but the people in the relationship always have to make the ultimate decision.

My daughter works in LE, and she's said many times she's been disappointed when they've arrested an abuser and counseled the abused partner because they almost always go back, even after counseling.

Here, LE will arrest the abuser and press charges, even if the abused doesn't. The problem is that the abused will often deny being abused, which throws everything out. It presents a nightmare for LE and the prosecutor's office.

In the Moab case, I think LE did everything they possibly could (within reason). They're not responsible for Gabby going back to Brian. No one is. Brian is the only culprit here.

MOO
 
Exactly! An abuser needs little/no provocation to escalate to murder. It's all about control with them. IIRC, witnesses said that Brian was pissed about the incident in the Merry Piglets restaurant where she went back in and apologized for his behavior. That could have been what set him off.
Sure, that could be what set BL off. Or it could be (based on some accounts from witnesses) he was upset GP ended up paying for what was intended to be a "dine and dash" meal at what was a relatively pricey restaurant for them. Or it might not have had anything to do with their excursion to the Merry Piglets & apparent arguments there. Just because A happens before B doesn't mean A caused B. And from all accounts, the couple argued ALOT. So there were plenty of arguments that didn't lead to death.

An earlier poster made the claim that research has demonstrated DV ALWAYS leads to the victim's death. I don't think that's true at all and would still like to see some documentation for that bold claim. But when it IS true, there is still some sort of immediate trigger for the homicidal act. It may not be a rational trigger and we may knew find it, but it was still there. We don't know what the trigger was in this case except that the death happened weeks after the Moab stop. Maybe it did have to do with the Merry Piglets but we'll never know for sure.

As I posted earlier, I do not think LE or the City of Moab is responsible for Gabby's death. To me, there's no obvious connection between Gabby's death weeks later and not arresting one of them for the night and instead separating them, treating the event as a mental health crisis. Gabby did tell the officers she had a mental disorder (OCD) after all.

Personally I think the couple had a "toxic" relationship. By that I mean they tended to bring out the worst in each other. But I'm not sure all the DV labels that have been bandied about here fit. The couple fought a lot according to a number of people who knew them-- high school friends, co-workers in FL & NC, BL's sister, GP's friend, Rose. Except for Rose, no one mentioned physical fights. (And GP's family didn't even see or hear any verbal fights apparently. And nobody in her family saw any abuse.) Yet we now know BOTH G&B may have responded in physical ways when fighting with each other on a regular basis. Moab LE didn't know any of that.

In my opinion there was a snowball's chance in the Moab desert of GP immediately changing her mind about staying with BL because of anything Moab LE did or said. But maybe as time went on, the Moab experience might have had an effect... Maybe after spending 6 days alone in a nice, clean, Marriott-owned, air-conditioned hotel (no dirty feet!) and getting her hair dyed and cut GP was starting to change her mind about continuing a cramped, uncomfortable, and dirty van life with BL. We don't know what else she did by herself in SLC but it has been reported she spent a lot of time on the phone with her parents that week, particularly her dad. Maybe when BL returned from FL she started to hint at the possibility of either a breakup or at least an earlier-than-planned end to the trip. GP said in one of their first van life videos she wanted to live a van life so she wouldn't have to work a real job. Maybe the idea of doing manual labor on a pumpkin farm in Oregon wasn't so attractive to her after all.

There's little doubt an abused partner is often at much greater risk if/when she decides to leave the relationship. Maybe things GP said-- perhaps about leaving the trip-- are what set off BL. If so, I guess one could argue Moab LE (particularly the park ranger) might have contributed to GP's death by encouraging her to question the trajectory of her life. But it would be pretty ironic to assign blame in that way.
MOO
 
Bolded by me. Please post a source for your opinion.

Research says the end of domestic violence is always death for the victim. It is called murder in slow motion for a reason.
Unless outside forces intervene, domestic violence ALWAYS intensifies and becomes worse.

Your post contains deadly misinformation regarding domestic violence.
Wow, that's a very different perspective from mine. I was going off the very many stories I have read and heard from living women who in the past had experienced DV at some level (such as Gabbie's situation) but had escaped it, vs the relatively rare number of murders.

I quickly tried to find some stats, but unfortunely it is a quagmire that I have no real interest in trying to wade through. For example:

"globally about 1 in 3 (30%) of women worldwide have been subjected to either physical and/or sexual intimate partner violence or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime."


Notice how this statistic includes the category of "non-partner sexual violence". ie non-domestic violence. So, statistically, unhelpful.

There is a blizzard of statistics from the US on this page, about the numbers of men and women who have experienced various levels of aggression from an intimate partner in their lifetime.


This may or may nor fit Gabbie's situation at the time of her encounter in Moab, but it is, perhaps, enlightening about how much aggression there really is in ALL intimate relationships:
"Nearly 3 in 10 women (29%) and 1 in 10 men (10%) in the US have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by a partner and reported it having a related impact on their functioning."

I'm not going to hunt down homicide statistics and try to make them match up with this, because it's not my job, but I'm pretty sure 29% of women in the US are not murdered by their donestic partner.

If that were true, I can't see why anyone would have taken the slightest interest in Gabbie's disappearance and death, it would be more common than car accidents and heart disease.

Thank you for the reminder that there is no point in trying to express anything on the internet, it is a complete waste of time.

JMO
 
Moo...many many children grow up in toxic households, but it is accepted as normal. Then they go out into the world and choose that which is familiar. Or some people want a different normal. It is not as simple as dominant male, female victim. There are choices....moo
 

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