Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #37

[cady]

I would not trust the parents to wrap my sandwich for lunch.

LOL

 

[Bluebear15]

When I see it mentioned that it was wrong for the LE that pulled them over to act chummy with BL during the stop, it clearly shows a lack of understanding of interrogation and investigations. It is the best method to get him to show his hand, so to speak. Tell false stories of dealing with women, become relatable, let him relax and say "yeah, I did slap her, you get it."

Laughing when he called her crazy is a bit more than acting chummy though... they were showing their biases. He never admitted to slapping her, so their expert technique clearly didn't work. JMO

Btw you should always put imo, jmo or moo on your post, otherwise your post could be mistaken for fact.

 

[lizzied]

But that report only mentions one witness, not the witness who first called and left his contract details. It completely ignores the that the male was hitting the female and was manipulated to make the female look the aggressor.

Can i just add that when BL is asked about his 'marks' he states 'she has marks on her too'. another thing that knaws at me.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't even trust the parents to give the FBI something with BL's DNA on it. Brian has a shaven head, so no hairbrush. Anything he would have drunk out of would have been thrown out or washed days ago.

Toothbrush? Maybe he didn't take one with him as where would he clean his teeth?

I'm sure the FBI would have tried to get something that would definitely have his DNA. Maybe his parents saved some of his baby teeth? Maybe a razor he used recently or like you said, a toothbrush. There must be something in that house.

 

[wasnt_me]

Laughing when he called her crazy is a bit more than acting chummy though... they were showing their biases. He never admitted to slapping her, so their expert technique clearly didn't work. JMO

Btw you should always put imo, imo or moo on your post, otherwise your post could be mistaken for fact.

Speaking of BL's laughing, I think that his nervous laughter at some points told me more about him than anything he said.

 

[Bordeaux]

What we know for sure is that a statement written by Chris 2.5 hours after the stop says one thing, and a contemporaneous and spontaneous 911 call says another. And that the dispatcher accurately reported what the 911 caller said, because we have heard a recording and seen a transcript.

You can have three witnesses of the SAME event with THREE different accounts as to what happened. Officers have this happen regularly. The officers tracked down the van to “see what the situation is,” look for evidence, and acted accordingly.

 

[Allabouttrial]

We are reading a second hand account of what was said on the phone. Officer Pratt says about the call to "Chris" from the scene is that "the driver...had some sort of argument with the female...as I recall," "As I recall" is a significant hedge.

We don't know what exactly Chris said at the time, which could have been up to an hour and a half later (the stop was a long one, the report doesn't say what time he called Chris, but we don't see him making any call before talking to GP or BL), or what Officer Pratt asked Chris -- and Officer Pratt's report was written from memory ("as I recall") hours (up to a day, since the report is dated August 13) after the fact. That is exactly how inaccuracies in eyewitness memory are introduced, even accidentally.

What we know for sure is that a statement written by Chris 2.5 hours after the stop says one thing, and a contemporaneous and spontaneous 911 call says another. And that the dispatcher accurately reported what the 911 caller said, because we have heard a recording and seen a transcript.

I concede the discussion has gone on for far too long.

 

[Tealgrove]

I do agree with the person who just said it’s a bit late to gather some DNA evidence. Wouldn’t they have gotten any items already from the van, mustang, camper, home, in their previous trip to the home? Hmm. Need to think about this.

Do you need a warrant to collect DNA? I don’t recall seeing that in the original warrant.

ETA: I’ll bet unknown DNA was discovered under Gabby’s finger nails. They would need DNA from a donor to match it or disprove it.

MOO

 

[lizzied]

I'm sure the FBI would have tried to get something that would definitely have his DNA. Maybe his parents saved some of his baby teeth? Maybe a razor he used recently or like you said, a toothbrush. There must be something in that house.

How about a facial towel from his bathroom, or his pillowcase (maybe he's a drooler),....

 

[rleigh123]

A good police officer wouldn't have ignored a report that stated that a man had slapped a woman initially. Nor would they have sided and laughed with the male aggressor, and made the female DV victim feel like she was at fault. They deserve to be disciplined. IMO JMO MOO

Especially when she tells them he took her keys and locked her out of the van.

Frustrating and sad.

Not bashing. I respect LE immensely and I understand they're human and make mistakes. But they do need to be held accountable in some way IMO

 

[JurassicParker]

To me, it looks like a large can.
Twisted Tea, 4 Loco, Arizona Tea, etc. etc.
Probably an empty can?

JMO MOO AMOO

I'm thinking maybe his shave kit? I doubt he is carrying that around in the swamps or wherever he is. Maybe they took some of his parents stuff too. If they get DNA off of GB they could somehow match it to his parents if they cant get BL for some reason.

 

[kittythehare]

Friends, family flock to Long Island to mourn Gabby Petito

 

[ctmom]

Sara Ballou on Twitter
BREAKING:@mikerreports
reveals that Moab dispatcher disclosed to police that #BrianLaundrie hit #GabbyPetito before they arrived on scene. “The officers involved will likely face disciplinary action,” said Utah attorney Brett Tolman.
3:40 PM · Sep 26, 2021 from North Port, FL·Twitter for iPhone

Wow!

 

[MsBetsy]

Can i just add that when BL is asked about his 'marks' he states 'she has marks on her too'. another thing that knaws at me.

They should have examined her and asked her if she felt safe, like they did with Brian.

 

[A2FMNST]

Moab police - "You're going to come out of this like the golden flower."
She came out of it dead.

IMO The worst part of the traffic stop was Brian getting the free room that night because the LEO’s had determined SHE was the aggressor.

Like many abuse victims SHE takes the blame for everything and is called “crazy” by her boyfriend which the male LEO responds to with something along the lines of… hey bro my wife acts crazy sometimes too and I tell her to take a hot shower! Eyewitness says HE slapped her while they were in town and once pulled over Gabby minimized and said he “grabbed her face”.

They need to be trained and retrained on domestic violence relationship dynamics. I don’t like to criticize LEOs but this situation ended up in a young ladies life taken.

 

[Bertha96]

They should have examined her and asked her if she felt safe, like they did with Brian.

We could easily see the finger marks on the outside of her right arm when she was sitting in the van. I don't understand how that was not glaringly obvious to someone standing there speaking to her. IMO.

 

[KidonGadol]

Karma will find its way to them.

The information I have is that the FBI is legally limited from issuing civil suits for collection of recompense for wasted salaries , equipment and so on. All they can do is prove the parents have broken the law in some way and hit them with that. The Judge of course can look at the facts and order all sorts of Retirement fund busting !!! restitution. The expensive Dodge Ram may have to go off to the sales yard eh.

But unless Junior is found alive and sings like a canary (which he may do in a plea deal) then is is going to be very very hard to prove intention to deceive. I don't think that the FBI is going to be very interested in deals of any sort at this stage - even letting the father and mother walk is better than doing a remission deal with BL .

If B Laundrie turns up in Canada or someplace else ext. to the USA , the Feds will want to extradite him on the Fraud charge alone, if possible. The Canadians may play the game under extreme backroom pressure, even knowing that a capital murder charge is coming . That is why the CC Fraud charge is so cunning. The Canadians in general will never extradite someone facing a capital murder charge in the US.

The Laundrie snrs have a wonderful get out of jail for anything they did earlier. Namely BL was a person of interest only at that stage. He was free to come and go as he pleases at that time. What they did to help him abscond might be morally wrong , but legally they are possibly quite hard to touch in that regard.


.... and time goes by, sitting at the top of the bay.....

 

[Sorelle19]

Carlton Reserve has been closed since Sept. 21 but on Shannon Clowe's Twitter, there are reports that it just re-opened 30 minutes ago.
https://twitter.com/ShannonCwtsp/status/1442225760765300737

From Shannon: "I am seeing people go into the reserve. One man said some gates were shut when he went in."

 

[Estelle]

We don't know how it could have changed the trajectory if Gabby had been told that she was a victim of domestic violence. If she had been taken somewhere to talk with someone about what she'd been experiencing - she could have learned and gained insight. She may have called her friend, Rose, who has been quoted as saying that she was worried about his controlling behavior. She may have shared more specifics with her mother.

If you've been in a situation where you are constantly doubting your perceptions and have been minimizing your own concerns, but then have the confirmation of people in authority that you are, in fact, being abused -- it can absolutely change your perception of things and open your eyes.

No, we don't know that it would have prevented or changed the course of things but it would have given her more of a chance to look at her situation with the seriousness that it deserved.

Also, in the bigger picture - if the LE are doing this DV work properly, it is likely that more people will be informed and that societal perceptions can start to shift - it is a much bigger problem than people realize. Each interaction that can shed light on the issue for victims, abusers and the general public brings us all closer to preventing situations like this one.

I totally agree with you. I also think that calling in a female Counsellor to talk to Debbie immediately afterwards would have been worthwhile. She could have encouraged Gabby to phone her family or friend. Leaving a narcissist is the most dangerous thing a woman has to do. So Gabby would have needed to be advised not to tell Brian that she wanted to leave. You have to do it so that they don't know what you're planning or when you're going.

She needed to encourage him to go on a hike, make sure she had the keys to her car and her mobile and then take off. She could have driven to Rose's place or left the van at the airport and caught the next plane out to New York. The Counsellor could have assisted her to do this by contacting them, buying her airline ticket and so on and even gone with her as she had the van that night as long as Gabby agreed, of course. When you tell a narcissist, you want to leave them, they go into a rage which can lead to murder! Some women change their names and addresses as the narcissist often comes after them. I would have advised her to leave that night.

 

[JayWill]

I don't blame them for what happened 2 weeks later but they miscalculated and need to realize that. On the other hand, at least the couple was separated for the night and Gabby had a good talk with the female ranger, which, ultimately didn't change anything. If Brian had been sent to jail, Gabby may have been murdered on the 13th, after she scooped him up from the hoosegow. Clearly, no one could save her from what would surely happen sometime in the future. Sickening. JMO

The female office said that she advised even though she agreed with male officer that Gabby was the aggressor, but we have no proof that she said anything like she claims and there is nothing about it in the report.