Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #62

[NuttMegg]

This is from The Sun, but from what I understand, it is an approved source.

On Tuesday, the Laundrie family attorney confirmed that Brian flew back to Florida and that the locker was emptied.

He added that the couple emptied the locker as they were looking to "extend their trip."

Sleuths question Brian's mysterious 'storage locker' he flew home to clean out

"The couple emptied the locker"?

 

[JuneRose]

well at least that statement by Brians lawyer put to rest who"s card Brian used that he is being charged with so in a attemp to run his mouth about nothing he did divulge that much......sometimes he does more harm then good.......hope he continues!!!!!!

 

[Speculaytor]

The Sun headline is overstated. Read the article. Nowhere does Dog say Brian killed Gabby while calming her down. This is a sensationalized interpretation of what Dog said about the Moab DV incident:

I know that she was very verbal because as they were arguing one time, the vacationers around them heard her yelling,” Dog said. “I know that he calmed her down usually by grabbing her mouth like that.”
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The Sun took this statement and twisted it to make it appear Dog was speaking about Gabby's murder when he was actually speaking about the Moab incident. I am a little hesitant to defend Dog (I've never heard of him before this case) because he does seem to be a rather outlandish character, but I get disgusted at the news media and their tricks to create controversy and sell more papers.

WOW! Talk about FAKE NEWS; shame on the Sun!! Sensational headlines like these put enormous undue stress on the families.

 

[Jurisprudence]

It doesn't matter. The statute clearly says the state retains civil and criminal jurisdiction in national forests established in their state, except when the offense is against the United States.

If the statute says this:

"except when the offense is against the United States"

then yes. But, if it does, you do understand then that they are excepting out these offenses, right - that otherwise, a criminal offense on federal land would ordinarily get them into a federal charge governed by federal law. MOO I take you are an attorney so I am guessing you know this. MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Ted Williams: Brian Laundrie’s behavior ‘befuddling’ after Gabby Petito went missing

Williams said prosecutors need to prove ‘conscious of guilt’ against Laundrie

TED WILLIAMS:

Well, what you have here, unfortunately, at this stage, is more of a circumstantial evidence case. But there have been many individuals convicted on circumstantial evidence. What you have to show, also, here is something that we, as lawyers say, something called conscious of guilt.

And that is the fact that Brian Laundrie returned home on September 1st, without Gabby. And you've got to believe, Neil, that if they lived in a house with Brian's mother and father, the first thing you say is, ‘where is Gabby?’

And so it's just befuddling that on September 6th through 8th, you're going to go camping with Brian without without Gabby. All of these things are part of the puzzle. I would have to also believe that at this stage, the FBI has some physical evidence and they are trying to put that together.

I can tell you what our defense attorneys are going to do in this case. And that is they're going to say, yeah, they were out there in that Grand Teton Park. They had a fight.

Brian then took off and came back across country. He doesn't know what happened to Gabby. I guarantee you that's going to be the defense in this case.

I don’t doubt that this’ll be the defense-but if I was a juror, I would want to know why he left her stranded in the woods without her van, possessions, phone, and debit card, so she could be victimized by some other dude. There would be no way to convince me, as a juror, that she said-“Go ahead, you can have all of my stuff and money and vehicle. I’ll just hang out here in the middle of the woods, looking for a stranger to give me a ride. I won’t have any money, but so what?”

 

[Speculaytor]

Just the language is so misogynistic. She was killed Bc he needed her to calm down? That’s some victim blaming nonsense. “Gentlemen” don’t strangle their girlfriends. That article is infuriating. JMO.

Read back a few posts and you will see that the Sun twisted those headlines/the truth. Dog didn't actually say that.

 

[Cool Cats]

Brian Laundrie has been missing for 29 days. Survival experts say he's had help, he's blending in, or he's dead.

Survival experts told Insider it's unlikely Laundrie would be alive if he'd been hiding in the Carlton Reserve for the past 29 days

Former US Marine Robert Urban said he believed there were three scenarios. The most likely, he said, is that Laundrie is not in the reserve.

"The second one is that if he is cached somewhere, someone's helping him - someone's giving him supply or food. But everyone in his tight circle would be watched intently.

"Third, he's dead."

Most people who find themselves stranded in the wilderness "break down within five or six days," Jason Marsteiner, the founder and lead instructor of Colorado Mountain Man Survival, told Insider.

"Especially if they don't have food; you're not eating what your body needs," he added. "You're either going to get angry or you are going to have some sort of emotional distress that makes you make poor decisions. Plus, he's got this stress of the situation - why he's being pursued to begin with."

Robert Urban, the founder and chief instructor of the Urban Survival Academy in Florida, said a large part of surviving in the wilderness involved a person's mental strength rooted in the hope they'll eventually be found.

"Survival is based on the hope that I'm going to get rescued," Urban, a former US Marine, said. "When I do, my life's going to be better, and I'll be back with my friends and family and get back to normal. So there's a big positive mental attitude, even for experienced guys like myself.

"And the only way that you really have that mental fortitude is if there's that hope of it. So in this specific scenario of if this guy gets rescued - 'rescued' - his life is not going to be better than it was in the past," he added, alluding to the legal hurdles Laundrie could face if he's found.

The police have been searching for Laundrie in the Carlton Reserve in Florida. North Port Police Department

Experts said Laundrie would have faced numerous dangers, from bears to contaminated water

In the Florida reserve, Laundrie would have had to endure hot temperatures; insects such as mosquitoes; animals like bears, wild hogs, snakes, coyotes, and alligators; poisonous or otherwise inedible food; and dangerous bacteria or other contaminants in the water he could try to drink.

Marsteiner said Laundrie would likely need to get food and water from other people near him, though the reserve has been closed to visitors since September 21 during the search for Laundrie.

Even if he had access to a water-filtration device, it could still be difficult to find drinkable water, Urban said, especially if Laundrie were looking for a source far from other people.

Marsteiner said that while there were ways to start fires that go relatively undetected, it was unlikely that someone without training would be able to do so. The police in North Port have said they've found no evidence of any campsite in the park.

Marsteiner speculated that Laundrie could be on the Appalachian Trail, a 2,193-mile hiking path that stretches from Georgia to Maine.

Officers with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission ride up a private road near the entrance of the Carlton Reserve on September 21. AP Photo/Phelan M. Ebenhack

"To most people, that sounds like he will get caught, but people live in their own little world, their own little bubble," Marsteiner said. "They don't pay attention to the environment around them usually. He could very well be scavenging off of the people on the trail or at the places where people go to resupply for their food."

Marsteiner said that if Laundrie died in the reserve, police search dogs would most likely be able to pick up the scent of his body. But Urban said it wouldn't be impossible for Laundrie's death in the park to go undetected.

"You have so many animals that are hungry," Urban said. "You can be in a snake stomach, you can be in a gator stomach, or you can be eviscerated by a bear.

"An animal is not going to eat out in public. It's going to take back to where it feels safe and sheltered," he said, adding that a "pack of hungry animals" or "even buzzards" could destroy a body and leave behind little evidence.

"Some of these animals can destroy you in this Florida heat," he said, adding that any scent would likely dissipate in 12 to 24 hours, making it difficult for even search dogs to detect a body.

 

[kittythehare]

I believe she was beaten and strangled and it wasn’t the first time …..
poor Gabby -I really hate this for her family. I hope his family is considering their future actions at this point because I firmly believe they assisted in getting him to where he is today..
JMO

Yes.
Manual strangulation was only the final act IMO.
Not necessarily the first act.

 

[Jmoose]

Ted Williams: Brian Laundrie’s behavior ‘befuddling’ after Gabby Petito went missing

Williams said prosecutors need to prove ‘conscious of guilt’ against Laundrie

TED WILLIAMS:

Well, what you have here, unfortunately, at this stage, is more of a circumstantial evidence case. But there have been many individuals convicted on circumstantial evidence. What you have to show, also, here is something that we, as lawyers say, something called conscious of guilt.

And that is the fact that Brian Laundrie returned home on September 1st, without Gabby. And you've got to believe, Neil, that if they lived in a house with Brian's mother and father, the first thing you say is, ‘where is Gabby?’

And so it's just befuddling that on September 6th through 8th, you're going to go camping with Brian without without Gabby. All of these things are part of the puzzle. I would have to also believe that at this stage, the FBI has some physical evidence and they are trying to put that together.

I can tell you what our defense attorneys are going to do in this case. And that is they're going to say, yeah, they were out there in that Grand Teton Park. They had a fight.

Brian then took off and came back across country. He doesn't know what happened to Gabby. I guarantee you that's going to be the defense in this case.

I don’t doubt that this’ll be the defense-but if I was a juror, I would want to know why he left her stranded in the woods without her van, possessions, phone, and debit card, so she could be victimized by some other dude. There would be no way to convince me, as a juror, that she said-“Go ahead, you can have all of my stuff and money and vehicle. I’ll just hang out here in the middle of the woods, looking for a stranger to give me a ride. I won’t have any money, but so what?”

This would NOT resonate with me. I can consider the possibility that a man is the victim of “domestic violence”, butthe hair on the back of my neck went up when Gabby started describing BL’s part in the fight, and her obvious reluctance to describe to the police what he did to her. And SHE is the one who ended up dead, and he takes off with all of her stuff, because he knew she wouldn’t be needing it anymore

 

[Balthazar]

Out of curiosity, how do charges work in regards to things like credit card fraud? Is it just one blanket charge, or is it a separate offense for each individual use of a card? For instance, if Brian got gas and then used the card at a drive thru McDonalds is that one charge or two separate charges?

Theft of the card is a felony fraud charge and each use of the card is also another fraud charge. If more than one card is stolen, each will be a separate charge.

 

[simon magus]

One of the recent links here got me to The US Sun again and I found this. I don't remember seeing it here, and I searched the media files and didn't see it. Some of the stuff BL has put up certainly contradicts how Gabby viewed life. Gabby Petito's fiance posted 'don't try to find me' and pic of gravestone

except he didn't write that text...he didn't draw the artwork...the text is taken from the work of nathaniel russell called "fake fliers"...there are several that you can see online...the drawing is by sacha strange, another artist...like i've said before IMO everything about his personality and art is derivative, if not outright stolen...MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

Not really. The state does not lose jurisdiction merely because a crime was committed in a national forest. See US Code 16-480:

16 U.S. Code § 480. Civil and criminal jurisdiction
The jurisdiction, both civil and criminal, over persons within national forests shall not be affected or changed by reason of their existence, except so far as the punishment of offenses against the United States therein is concerned; the intent and meaning of this provision being that the State wherein any such national forest is situated shall not, by reason of the establishment thereof, lose its jurisdiction, nor the inhabitants thereof their rights and privileges as citizens, or be absolved from their duties as citizens of the State.

(June 4, 1897, ch. 2, § 1, 30 Stat. 36; Mar. 1, 1911, ch. 186, § 12, 36 Stat. 963.)
16 U.S. Code § 480 - Civil and criminal jurisdiction

So without pulling this up separately, it seems pretty clear we are dealing with WYOMING state law here.

A Wyoming (possible) murder charge no more federal law talk unless something changes. MOO

 

[builder]

Not sure that would seal the deal. Could go either way.
MOO.

Is there a way for them to tell how long the dna has been under the nails?

 

[Cool Cats]

I don’t doubt that this’ll be the defense-but if I was a juror, I would want to know why he left her stranded in the woods without her van, possessions, phone, and debit card, so she could be victimized by some other dude. There would be no way to convince me, as a juror, that she said-“Go ahead, you can have all of my stuff and money and vehicle. I’ll just hang out here in the middle of the woods, looking for a stranger to give me a ride. I won’t have any money, but so what?”

This would NOT resonate with me. I can consider the possibility that a man is the victim of “domestic violence”, butthe hair on the back of my neck went up when Gabby started describing BL’s part in the fight, and her obvious reluctance to describe to the police what he did to her. And SHE is the one who ended up dead, and he takes off with all of her stuff, because he knew she wouldn’t be needing it anymore

Yup!

 

[dacjess]

It doesn't matter. The statute clearly says the state retains civil and criminal jurisdiction in national forests established in their state, except when the offense is against the United States.

Sorry, I’m trying to make sense of this statement. The FBI is federal and that is who is investigating… not the state of Wyoming so I’m not understanding. Am I missing something?

 

[whiterhino]

well no, but I didn’t want to be like, “you’re totally wrong!” to the poster who said it. Lol.

The diplomatic route

Think I've been in the threads for too long as that post made me laugh too much!

 

[Skigirl]

Strangulation. I understand why he ran, lawyered up, and isn't talking. He can't really explain that away. It may have been in the heat of the moment, probably was, which is manslaughter, not murder in the first degree. He would be released from jail eventually. Turn yourself in BL, it is the only thing you can do to begin to find forgiveness. It is your only chance at doing the right thing from now, and forever.

Gabby Petito's autopsy report: Live updates

Just because something happens in the heat of the moment isn't manslaughter. The question is whether there was malice. IMO, there's no way that this occurred without malice aforethought or indifference to her life.

I don’t doubt that this’ll be the defense-but if I was a juror, I would want to know why he left her stranded in the woods without her van, possessions, phone, and debit card, so she could be victimized by some other dude. There would be no way to convince me, as a juror, that she said-“Go ahead, you can have all of my stuff and money and vehicle. I’ll just hang out here in the middle of the woods, looking for a stranger to give me a ride. I won’t have any money, but so what?”

This would NOT resonate with me. I can consider the possibility that a man is the victim of “domestic violence”, butthe hair on the back of my neck went up when Gabby started describing BL’s part in the fight, and her obvious reluctance to describe to the police what he did to her. And SHE is the one who ended up dead, and he takes off with all of her stuff, because he knew she wouldn’t be needing it anymore

I totally agree. If it goes to trial, they will need to come up with something, but jurors in general are not dopes. They make bad decisions sometimes, but they usually see through stupid stories. We don't even know a lot of the evidence that they probably already have -- footage from security cameras, ATM machines where he took out money from her account, maybe pings from her phone from the van on the way back to FL. I don't think any murder trial is a slam dunk, but this one seems to me like it will be close to a slam dunk, especially assuming that LE has more of the evidence than we do.

 

[kittythehare]

We must catch him before we defend him .
Where will we start?

 

[BUF]

Dr Blue is on Anderson Cooper CNN.

Answering some questions

 

[JuneRose]

except he didn't write that text...he didn't draw the artwork...the text is taken from the work of nathaniel russell called "fake fliers"...there are several that you can see online...the drawing is by sacha strange, another artist...like i've said before IMO everything about his personality and art is derivative, if not outright stolen...MOO

and now we know for a fact it was Gabbys card too.