Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #64

[Claire182]

So as happy as I am that the FBI are still searching, I cannot for the life of me understand why they are so adamant he is in the preserve. IMO for them to know, I’d guess it would be CCTV evidence or tracking a phone and bank cards. The laundrie lawyer (SB I think) said BL left his new phone at home with his wallet and the FBI have it, so genuine question, do they have CCTV at all entry and exits points of the preserve? Does anyone have any idea what other evidence they could have to be so adamant apart from the parents word and the car being left there. I’m baffled to what they could have, honestly. MOO

ETA - I’m not from the area so I genuinely don’t know if they have CCTV at the preserve, it’s just the only thing I can think of.

 

[SuperTmo]

I'm of the opinion that Brian may have murdered Gabby because she finally called off the relationship. Breakups don't happen overnight, so I think his trip home was (possibly) related to that process of dissolution.

If he did plan the murder that far in advance, however, it could be the key to finding him. I think it's unlikely, but it's possible.

But if they had broken up, and that is why he flew home, why would she stay in the hotel all those days working on the one YouTube video she managed to post the entire trip? It would be nice to know when he purchased the ticket to fly home and if it was a round trip ticket or if they did two last minute one way tickets.

 

[Which_pancake]

No, that article is unrelated, but the Forensic K-9 unit is at the Carlton reserve per BE Twitter.

Oh I see - explaining what the forensic K9 is

 

[bestill]

Petito has admitted himself, that he is a bit of a hothead and he figured that is why, Gabby, knowing him, would not tell him anything about her boyfriend(s) that would set him off. He knows himself well enough to know that being as upset as he was about Gabby's whereabouts, he had to practice self-control and NOT confront the L's in person, or Brian, in particular.. He made phone calls and texts, and did the right thing by insisting that NPPD check out the situation. jmo

Even if you're not a hothead this situation would drive you over the edge. The people that may know where your kid is or at least knows more than you do are ghosting you during this critical time, yeah I would be livid too. I'm impressed that her dad has kept his cool and has such faith in LE/FBI.

 

[shiraz]

They must have a reason to keep searching the preserve and as time goes on I'm more inclined to think that if he really did go in there and took his gun then he would have taken his own life not long after. I hope that I'm wrong though and that he is caught and faces justice for the terrible things he has done.

 

[Which_pancake]

So as happy as I am that the FBI is still searching, I cannot for the life of me understand why they are so adamant he is in the preserve. IMO for them to know, I’d guess it would be CCTV evidence or tracking a phone and bank cards. The laundrie lawyer (SB I think) said BL left his new phone at home with his wallet and the FBI have it, so genuine question, do they have CCTV at all entry and exits points of the preserve? Does anyone have any idea what other evidence they could have to be so adamant apart from the parents word and the car being left there. I’m baffled to what they could have, honestly. MOO

I have no idea, but it must be compelling to keep the focus there IMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

sbm



tbh I have also had a (something stronger than curiosity) to see said footage/screenshots.
iirc there has been quite a bit of discussion about wanting to see/who does/who doesn’t and of course there is some polarity surrounding that.
I think a possibility that may be under surface even for those of us who do have desire to see can be “explained” from a psychology/grief perspective.
Bear with me—I have not done any remotely related work in so long and completely changed career paths, and so am not a verified anything here. Therefore, let me lead my Holstein through this post to MOO all over it; even anything that might be true is heretofore christened by my cow
MOOOO

Most of us here didn’t know GP in person. Some of us probably “knew” her as well as one can know someone through SM before she was in the news/reported missing. IMO that doesn’t matter. Through pieces of the story (esp, from what I’ve seen, the Moab footage), we have formed some kind of emotion not just about ourselves/our own families and friends but for GP. Essentially, our empathy is high for more reasons than I want to list and make y’all read.
moo moo moo
Because of this, many of us are experiencing grief. All humans grieve differently.
I think there is kind of a trope in tv/books/movies when a loved one is informed of a death, asks to see the body, and LE suggests it is inadvisable…the person often insists anyway, with some form of “I need to, to make it real.”
IME IRL we are the same. Some of us need to see a loved ones remains to continue a healthy grieving process, no matter the state of remains. Some of us prefer to remember their perfectly whole physical form. Neither is wrong, bad, weird, or gross IMO.
obviously this situation is different—there are privacy (maybe not correct word but I’m in a hurry and can’t think of better) issues; we are mostly not family or close friends, where do we draw the line because there probably are people who just get kicks from seeing morbid things, etc. Also obvious is the fact that any view wouldn’t be visually recognizable, but rather we’d work from the knowledge that the “something” seen is what we have been told was later positively identified.
Super long post, but from the first time I saw a post requesting a view of the footage/screenshots way back, I wanted to toss a MOO grief theory out there as a way to say maybe some of us who have expressed interest are, beyond curiosity, also processing through a whole host of emotions surrounding one universal human fact that every person we connect with will die and that we all have our own emotions surrounding our own mortality.

one more walk of my lovely virtual pet cow here. moooo

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[wnk]

Not that it makes much sense, but it's possible a return flight with a 4 day stay was cheaper than one with a one day stay, at least with the Delta direct flight that seems to be the case.

Of course the best way to have saved money would be to not fly, but not much makes sense in this case.

Would anyone here with a premium subscription to one of the flight tracker sites be willing to look up what flights went from SLC --> TPA on Aug 17 and TPA --> SLC on Aug 23 (the dates that BL's lawyer gave for that trip back to FL)?

 

[South Dakota]

So as happy as I am that the FBI is still searching, I cannot for the life of me understand why they are so adamant he is in the preserve. IMO for them to know, I’d guess it would be CCTV evidence or tracking a phone and bank cards. The laundrie lawyer (SB I think) said BL left his new phone at home with his wallet and the FBI have it, so genuine question, do they have CCTV at all entry and exits points of the preserve? Does anyone have any idea what other evidence they could have to be so adamant apart from the parents word and the car being left there. I’m baffled to what they could have, honestly. MOO

I suspect they have cameras at the entrance to the reserve like they do at Fort De Soto. IMO, they HAVE to have some solid proof he went into the reserve that hasn't been released. (Other than the parents stating he went)

 

[PingTheRouter]

Are there any helicopters over the reserve or heading to the reserve?

not today not seeing anything worth wild

 

[Barbie619]

I keep forgetting to ask this question and hope someone could answer it.

Since we don't know where Gabby actually died, the possibility of it happening in the van is still in play.

I'm wondering after BL returned home if he dismantled the van completely, scrubbed it down, could cadaver dogs still smell the scent of a dead body?

 

[justaparent]

If B is still alive and hiding out somewhere some one needs to be helping him. There is no way he is living off the land for this long. My question would be, who else could be helping him? A grandparent, godparent, an aunt or uncle, or a cousin? Sounds like he really didn't have many or any friends, so it would have to be family of some type. Not asking anyone to start investigating his extended family, I would think LE has already been investigating this. Other then extended family, maybe a close friend of B's parents. Just don't know why anyone would be helping him now knowing what he did. Maybe in the beginning since they didn't know what B did and now they feel they are in too deep and have to keep up with it. IDK, All MOO.

I do think he’s tucked away someplace but it is hard to imagine that a friend, even a close friend, would risk being involved. A relative seems more likely but I’m sure they’re all being looked at.

I suppose someone he met online might be helping him, either a male or a female, someone who shares his (supposed) ideology or a woman who thinks he was just misunderstood by Gabby — look at all the women who write to Chris Watts and others. He seems so temperamental that I doubt an online friend would put up with him very long.

I keep going back to the parents. We don’t know what kind of cash they kept at home and they had a good leadtime to acquire more cash (in smallish withdrawals) and buy prepaid cards before anyone knew Gabby was missing. They would have to find a place for him to stay under a different name, but if you aren’t super picky about a rental it wouldn’t be terribly hard to bypass credit checks, especially if paying several months in advance for a less-than-stellar place. It would need to be a location that could accept deliveries (so not way off-grid).

How difficult is it to get a fraudulent driver’s license these days? Probably not nearly as hard as an entirely new identity but I’m not up on what is involved. That would definitely simplify moving about more easily.

Pure speculation, just like everything else here. We won’t know until we know.

No matter whether BL is dead or alive, I hope they find him and that Gabby’s family doesn’t have to wonder where he is.

MOO

 

[LeeJay55]

There may have been no scratches from the murder. Strangulation can render someone unconscious in a few seconds. While it takes time to kill someone, if the blood flow to the brain (carotid artery on the sides of the neck) is interrupted the person immediately passes out and won't fight. I'm not sure BL would have had any scratches from this encounter. However, I don't think the abuse stopped at Moab, I think once he came back it continued and escalated, so he may have had some bruises or wounds from previous attacks on Gabby.
I do believe that's why his family immediately hid him from authorities. I'm not sure the neighbors who saw Brian mowing the lawn or out on a bike ride would have noted any bruises or wounds.

If she was strangled from behind there may be no hand prints. The arm goes around the neck and pressure applied by other hand pressing against their own hand!
But I think. It was face to face! Fighting having words!
I can’t imagine him not having scratches or bruises!

 

[jamicat]

It appears that some criminals have been able to get employment while on the run at hostels or in hospitality or even on a fishing trawler. His parents could have given him a stash of cash before he departed. They also overstay their allowed time in a country or their visa and/or find a female to live with who supports them.[/QUOTE

He had 3 days to go somewhere. Or he could have had a friend who helped him out. He could literally be anywhere by now. If he’s here in my town , there are dozens of men who look just like hi. There are many jobs available here these days, and even a lot of them willing to pay under the table too

I wonder if SB's changing story could be a direct result of a call from the FBI saying "Could you please ask your clients if they could be mistaken, because we now have (CCTV) evidence of the Mustang going to the reserve on the 13th, not the 14th."

I doubt it. MOO. When LE took the Laundrie s’ missing persons report, they would have had a sit down and extensively questioned them. That was on FridaySept 17. We do not know what they gave LE, told LE. What we heard was from SB, the attorney who filtered and made a statement from what Laundries and LE told him

MOO: Monday, Sept 13 was the last day Laundries saw BL. They likely found a note or a text from BL saying he left. Maybe he told them he was going to Carlton Preserve, maybe they surmised it. It was apparently a favorite walkabout place for BL

The parents went looking for him there; found the Mustang. Left him some note on it to him and went home. Brian Entin notes that the Mustang is not in the Laundrie’s driveway that Tuesday

Parents return to Reserve on Wednesday, look again, see a notice in car left by LE telling them to remove the car as overnight parking there not permitted. They have a spare key (car is in father’s name) or key left in car, and so one of them drive it home to avoid getting it impounded

They agonize and discuss situation with attorney, on Thursday , and make the missing person report on Friday. So they notice him missing Tues morning. Tues to Wed is 1 day. Wed to Thursday is 2 days. Third to Fri is 3 days.

 

[jjonez]

Thank you for this. Was her body found UNDER the tent that they put up? or was it closer to where that group of searchers/LE were standing?

Thread 64 post 168 may be of interest to you

sorry, I can’t manage to link previous posts, maybe something to do with my device

 

[chupacabra]

So as happy as I am that the FBI are still searching, I cannot for the life of me understand why they are so adamant he is in the preserve. IMO for them to know, I’d guess it would be CCTV evidence or tracking a phone and bank cards. The laundrie lawyer (SB I think) said BL left his new phone at home with his wallet and the FBI have it, so genuine question, do they have CCTV at all entry and exits points of the preserve? Does anyone have any idea what other evidence they could have to be so adamant apart from the parents word and the car being left there. I’m baffled to what they could have, honestly. MOO

ETA - I’m not from the area so I genuinely don’t know if they have CCTV at the preserve, it’s just the only thing I can think of.

It was the last place he was known to be. Occam's Razor, right? It is my guess they expect to find his body there as there is no evidence that he has gone anywhere else.

 

[TL4S]

It would look extremely suspicious if they did, or even just CaL did moo

Of course, it also looked suspicious that they had a lawyer hired before GP was even reported missing.

 

[JudgeJudi]

However, wouldn't having to shave every day be a problem if you are on the run?

Why? He could always use a manual razor if he's sleeping rough or not staying in any type of accommodation.

 

[jamicat]

I do think he’s tucked away someplace but it is hard to imagine that a friend, even a close friend, would risk being involved. A relative seems more likely but I’m sure they’re all being looked at.

I suppose someone he met online might be helping him, either a male or a female, someone who shares his (supposed) ideology or a woman who thinks he was just misunderstood by Gabby — look at all the women who write to Chris Watts and others. He seems so temperamental that I doubt an online friend would put up with him very long.

I keep going back to the parents. We don’t know what kind of cash they kept at home and they had a good leadtime to acquire more cash (in smallish withdrawals) and buy prepaid cards before anyone knew Gabby was missing. They would have to find a place for him to stay under a different name, but if you aren’t super picky about a rental it wouldn’t be terribly hard to bypass credit checks, especially if paying several months in advance for a less-than-stellar place. It would need to be a location that could accept deliveries (so not way off-grid).

How difficult is it to get a fraudulent driver’s license these days? Probably not nearly as hard as an entirely new identity but I’m not up on what is involved. That would definitely simplify moving about more easily.

Pure speculation, just like everything else here. We won’t know until we know.

No matter whether BL is dead or alive, I hope they find him and that Gabby’s family doesn’t have to wonder where he is.

MOO

There are zany people out there that might find it exciting to hide a fugitive and get one over on LE. Police not exactly popular these days. It was a miserable, grueling hunt in that swamp in the heat, rain, mud, snakes, gators, bugs and I could see some people enjoying LE’s romp in there while they know he’s sitting in some den playing video games and enjoying a cold drink. So, no, can’t be ruled out.

Msny college kids, Hugh school kids, underage kids can get a decent fake ID. And they can get you on a plane or other transportation. I know some who have done it. But Airport cameras snd records likely carefully checked. He’s better off in foot or bus or someone’s car.

i don’t think parents are stashing him. More like some crazy friend or acquaintance. And likely squatting in an empty shed, or someone’s place.

 

[Kapua]

Walsh has no solid evidence of anything. This COULD be that COULD be. Our speculation is better than his and we have no clue. At least we have some facts on our side, which Walsh gets wrong all the time. Maybe Mexico maybe Adirondacks, maybe AT. If he gets tips of sightings in the eastern US why is he hell-bent on Mexico? jmo

There's no advantage for him to go to Mexico, because he can blend in better here and Mexico will just extradite him. I think he's alive, still in the US, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is still somewhere in Florida - but in a cabin or a cottage, not in a swamp. Or possibly, he made it a bit further out, but no reports of sightings makes me think that he had arranged a nearby destination where he is staying. Like I posted yesterday, if I am right he will be found in under 3 months, likely much sooner. JMHO.