Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #79

[PommyMommy]

Thank you very much. Then why are people giving NPPD grief about the crime scene search and water bottle?

You're welcome. I have no idea. MOO

 

[cady]

We already know that BL took Gabby's van (and therefore, likely some things that were in the van) to FL. Why do we need to obsess or spend public funds meant for law enforcement on this particular water bottle? It adds nothing to the eventual report the coroner will file.

Family admits the van was in the driveway. TV stations broadcast that it's in the driveway. So Gabby's water bottle was in the van. What does this show? There are probably other belongings of Gabby's in the van. This is all perfectly explainable: BL drove off in the van that had been the living space for two peple.

We all know that. Moab police know it. Arches NP rangers know it. Why obsess about the water bottle in particular? Does it have a symbolic meaning tht I'm not getting?

It implies a shoddy search or a hoaxter, both are shameful. jmo

The FBI took over on or about 9/29. MOO

FBI takes over search for Laundrie in Florida reserve (fox13now.com)

I thought it was earlier??? But it's really confusing, so I can't say when. jmo I thought 17th when Brian was finally reported to be missing, but when was he federally indicted? As I said, confusing...jmo

 

[CharlestonGal]

I just went to check but paragraph 3, at the screenshot not completely clear

Police hunting Gabby Petito's boyfriend Brian Laundrie find 'fresh campsite' in Carlton Reserve | Daily Mail Online

ETA . Just noticed that PommyMommy has given the date of the take-over by FBI, scroll up to her post

Thank you. So it appears that crime scene search, releasing that crime scene, water bottle, all of it is in the lap of the FBI.

 

[Jurisprudence]

I stand by my earlier posts regarding the trip back to Florida to "clean out a storage locker." Something about that time period makes all the difference in this case. Now with the parents immunity possibilities being discussed- I thought of something.
What if BL traveled back to Florida because he wanted to meet with an attorney (or his parents wanted him to meet with an attorney) regarding the Moab stop. Perhaps BL was fearful that if anything came of that stop legally, GP could use it as an example and go after him for multiple occurrences of violence at his hand. Perhaps he wanted to ask a lawyer what could happen. Perhaps the lawyer told him she could bring suit for whatever BL told him had happened in the past. There could have been other instances that GP caught on video or recorded herself. After the Moab stop she could have told BL she was finished with him and just wait until everyone sees what I have recorded/on video, etc. The attorney could have told BL depending on what she had as evidence, BL could be screwed. Which would have enraged BL and he would have stewed about it as he was travelling back to GP from the locker clean out. The day BL first spoke to an attorney could be prior to GP's death regarding the possible violence in their relationship. IMO.

That's a good thought. But, he wasn't arrested. he was treated as the victim??? MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

J.B. Biunno on Twitter
On the discovery of what appears to be bones & items at Carlton Reserve today,
@NorthPortPolice say they have no connection to the #BrianLaundrie case. While this has got folks talking, the fact remains: Laundrie is deceased, says
@FBIDenver.
Your thoughts? #HeyJB #WFLANow
5:28 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

 

[CharlestonGal]

cause nobody knew until Pommy alerted us?

Sorry. I wasn't clear. I wasn't referring to people here at WS. I was referring to people all over the internet. People at large, so to speak.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Can anyone help me understand what forensic value the water bottle might have? In what way does it help the Coroner figure out what happened to BL?

None really except if his prints were on it it would further corroborate his presence. MOO I think people raised it more for the fact that it was still sitting there uncollected all these days later (if it's legit) and not really for forensic value. MOO

 

[cady]

We already know that BL took Gabby's van (and therefore, likely some things that were in the van) to FL. Why do we need to obsess or spend public funds meant for law enforcement on this particular water bottle? It adds nothing to the eventual report the coroner will file.

Family admits the van was in the driveway. TV stations broadcast that it's in the driveway. So Gabby's water bottle was in the van. What does this show? There are probably other belongings of Gabby's in the van. This is all perfectly explainable: BL drove off in the van that had been the living space for two peple.

We all know that. Moab police know it. Arches NP rangers know it. Why obsess about the water bottle in particular? Does it have a symbolic meaning tht I'm not getting?

It implies a shoddy search or a hoaxter, both are shameful. jmo

The FBI took over on or about 9/29. MOO

FBI takes over search for Laundrie in Florida reserve (fox13now.com)

I thought it was earlier??? But it's really confusing, so I can't say when. jmo I thought 17th when Brian was finally reported to be missing, but when was he federally indicted? As I said, confusing...jmo

I think they knew right away it wasn't a homicide. Just like they knew immediately that Gabby's death was a homicide. The evidence is likely in the bones - which is why they are now transferring the case to a forensic anthropologist.

If cause of death is homicide, we can wonder about the water bottle (which appears to have belonged to him or Gabby - not someone else, so is of little use in a homicide investigation).

?? Why did they bother with the bag, backpack and notebook then? If all they wanted was bones? jmo

 

[CaffienatedOwl]

It implies a shoddy search or a hoaxter, both are shameful. jmo

I thought it was earlier??? But it's really confusing, so I can't say when. jmo I thought 17th when Brian was finally reported to be missing, but when was he federally indicted? As I said, confusing...jmo

I recall SB stating that the MP report was filed on the 17th after he spoke to the FBI so I believe you are correct. But then again it was a SB statement.

 

[Charlot123]

I found an interesting, to me, article about characteristics of the perpetrators of homicide/suicide. While mental illness is common, psychosis doesn’t seem to play a specifically strong role. Number one motive? “Amorous jealousy” (you have to click on “view open manuscript” to read).

Characteristics of homicide-suicide offenders: A systematic review - ScienceDirect

“The most common motivational factor, however, seems to be amorous jealousy (Cheng and Jaffe, 2019; Liem and Koenraadt, 2007; Shiferaw and al., 2009; Schwab-Reese and Peek-Asa, 2019). Those who possess this profile are described as extremely possessive and inhabited by obsessive convictions and ruminations about their partner’s supposed infidelity, thus through the HS act they are finding a way to stay with their partner forever. In other words, the aim would be to provoke an object-subject fusion in death. It is also worth noting that these convictions are often tinged with paranoid elements and invasive suspicions”

 

[Claire182]

I am so glad you are safe now!

Thank you means a lot. Just wish gabby was too.

 

[Jurisprudence]

It might also explain why the Laundries' attorney would skip over mentioning or calling attention to his face to face meeting with the pair in Orlando (in AB's interview).

I did notice that.

 

[dacjess]

We already know that BL took Gabby's van (and therefore, likely some things that were in the van) to FL. Why do we need to obsess or spend public funds meant for law enforcement on this particular water bottle? It adds nothing to the eventual report the coroner will file.

Family admits the van was in the driveway. TV stations broadcast that it's in the driveway. So Gabby's water bottle was in the van. What does this show? There are probably other belongings of Gabby's in the van. This is all perfectly explainable: BL drove off in the van that had been the living space for two peple.

We all know that. Moab police know it. Arches NP rangers know it. Why obsess about the water bottle in particular? Does it have a symbolic meaning tht I'm not getting?

I don’t care about the water bottle. I do care very much that LE be thorough in their processing of a crime scene. If they miss a water bottle, what else is missed?

 

[cottonweaver]

Sorry. I wasn't clear. I wasn't referring to people here at WS. I was referring to people all over the internet. People at large, so to speak.

IDK. Is it because the FBI never comment? Or is it cause the FBI are your top LE & it's harder for media to criticise them?

( I'm in UK so I have no idea how your FBI delegates responsibilities on the ground even when it is in the lead, such as command & control of searches in large areas etc)

(*Although come to think of it , you have had a former assistant chief* complaining on US TV about the way the Laundrie's search day was conducted)

 

[Jurisprudence]

Not /u/jurisprudence but did pay attention when I attended law school (dropped out, if it matters - but worked in legal contexts as an anthropologist for a few decades)...The Laundries can't be charged with aiding and abetting anything except, I suppose, the financial fraud once that charge was filed.

Brian had of course already departed their home. So, that won't work.

Water bottles. Aiding and abetting. Neither leads anywhere - so why do people think there could be aiding and abetting charges? Those occur only after someone is convicted of a crime (usually serious, not usually something like "stealing a water bottle" or "driving a van whose owner had permitted the driving of the van many times"). No theft charges for the van. And now Brian is dead. So no new charges.

So why are people still discussing the Laundrie parents as if they could be charged? Brian wasn't charged with anything until after he left. The water bottle is immaterial. No one can be charged with aiding and abetting until the crime is charged - and then proven in a court of law. Perhaps Brian knew that. Whether he died by suicide or swamp misadventure doesn't matter at all to those two topics.

I do believe the ME knows a lot about what happened to him. I'm not sure that any credible person has released the positioning of his clothes. Since it appears some of his bones were found some distance from other bones, hopefully people can understand that different bones behave differently in water than others - and that clothes behave differently than bones. But even if for reasons known only to Brian, he took off his clothes (I can think of many reasons - but cannot discuss them here), how would that matter?

Who said aiding and abetting? But, ftr, IMO if they have the evidence they could have been for reasons stated many times in previous threads. MOO

 

[TL4S]

I am not a specialist and don’t know the statistics. The question, however, is very interesting. I am posting some links I found.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24219979_Coincident_deaths_double_suicide_or_murder-suicide
This one is interesting Typology of murder-suicides in Berlin according to a longitudinal study based on autopsy files - Forensic Science, Medicine and Pathology

Thank you for finding those articles. They were interesting and you're right, there just aren't many statistics on this subject. One of the links did suggest something I feel is important. It said a murder-suicide is often limited to the deaths occurring within 1 week of each other. Longer than that and the suicide could be due to remorse. I would imagine that GP's family wants to know if BL was remorseful for killing their daughter (I think he was).

 

[Jurisprudence]

@Jurisprudence I'm sure this has been answered a thousand times on here, so I apologize for asking again, but can SB legally lie about a deal being made?

Laundrie attorney denies deal with FBI and insists parents not facing charges

NBC New's Tom Llamas then asked Mr Bertolino if any deals had been discussed between himself and the FBI, which Mr Bertolino denied, saying that charges were discussed but that there was no "threat, no coercion, and no deal was cut."

On the coercion see this: Found Deceased - WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #79

Remember tis is not fact. It's speculation and opinion only.

 

[Bertha96]

That's a good thought. But, he wasn't arrested. he was treated as the victim??? MOO

True. It could have made him worry about any previous relationship violence and if GP had finally had enough to tell everyone what she had been going thru (with possible video or photos to back up her claims). IMO. I think he could have spoke with the parent's attorney after the Moab stop after returning to Florida for the supposed locker clean out. If for no other reason than because of his family's insistence to do so.
BL could have been livid to find out that, depending on GP's versions of past events, he could be looking at future legal issues regarding violence towards GP during their relationship. IMO.

 

[bluwaters]

Thank you very much. Then why are people giving NPPD grief about the crime scene search and water bottle?

It's my understanding that FBI is in charge and they are asking NPPD to conduct searches, etc.
I know that Taylor sometimes directs the press to the FBI for answers to their questions.
He did it today.

Michael Ruiz
@mikerreports
Update from Taylor: “Earlier today I was told there were some reports that turned out to be nothing. If something was found after that, I don't know. Again, the question about possible materials found should be directed to the fbi as it is their case.”
[URL='https://twitter.com/mikerreports']Michael Ruiz
[URL='https://twitter.com/mikerreports']@mikerreports
FBI has not yet responded to my inquiries.[/URL][/URL]

 

[cottonweaver]

J.B. Biunno on Twitter
On the discovery of what appears to be bones & items at Carlton Reserve today,
@NorthPortPolice say they have no connection to the #BrianLaundrie case. While this has got folks talking, the fact remains: Laundrie is deceased, says
@FBIDenver.
Your thoughts? #HeyJB #WFLANow
5:28 PM · Oct 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

That's interesting NPPD say they have no connection to the case. Have they ever been this direct before

Pommy, is JB really going to start a livestream over this bottle?

 

[LMDlong]

Re: Water Bottle. The bottle could have been dropped by CL or Rl after becoming upset when things started being found. BL probably unpacked somethings from the van, the bottle got washed and put aside . RL had on a backpack with water bottles inside.