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[dexter75]

Oh i know i have been a bereaved mother of two adult children. We are never the same again, i guess how can we be after the loss of a child or children. I can't imagine what Sierah's family and circle of friends are going through under such horrendous circumstances. It is just awful and my heart weeps for them all including Sierah. No one deserves to have their life taken that way, and JW will answer for his crimes here and hereafter.
You guys take care and there is much love going out to all involved,<3

So sorry Karrina&#128532;
No mother should have to suffer the loss of a child&#128532;
Huggin ya back girl&#129303;

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[dexter75]

RIP Sierah.:rose: Prayers to you Dex and Sierah's family and friends.

Thank you&#129303;

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[dexter75]

I'm posting the list of all KZ's exoneration cases for those who haven't seen it. The list is much longer and broader than just Ryan Ferguson. Many were reversed due to DNA testing. She has represented individuals from all walks of life. Yet they were innocent of the crimes for which they were prosecuted. She has my utmost respect and awe. She demonstrates true integrity. I would never consider her a media w***e as some here are implying:

Kathleen Zellner's 17 Exonerations


"1. Ronnie Bullock

Bullock spent over ten years in prison for the kidnapping and rape of a 9-year-old girl and a 12-year-old girl before DNA testing revealed that he was not the culprit.
2. Joseph Burrows

Burrows spent nearly five years on death row until Zellner persuaded the real killer to confess at the post-conviction hearing.
3-4. Billy Wardell and Donald Reynolds

Wardell and Reynolds spent over ten years in prison for robbery and sexual assault. They were exonerated in 1997, when Zellner convinced prosecutors to agree to DNA testing that cleared them as the perpetrators.
5-8. Omar Saunders, Marcellius Bradford, Larry Ollins & Calvin Ollins

Saunders, Bradford, and the two Ollins cousins were convicted of the kidnapping, rape, and murder of 23-year-old medical student Lori Roscetti. Bradford spent six years in prison as the result of a plea deal, but Saunders and the Ollins cousins spent nearly fifteen years in prison before DNA testing was conducted that cleared all four men of the crimes.
9. Kevin Fox

Fox was imprisoned for eight months for the murder of his daughter, Riley Fox. Zellner represented Fox until he was cleared by DNA evidence and won a $15.5 million verdict against the government (reduced to $8.1 million on appeal).
10-11. Harold Hill and Dan Young

Hill and Young were convicted of the 1990 rape and murder (by strangulation and setting the victim on fire) of Kathy Morgan. DNA testing performed in 2004 led to the release of both Hill and Young in 2005.
12. Alprentiss Nash

Nash spent over seventeen years in prison for the murder of Leon Stroud. In 2010, Zellner convinced the Illinois Court of Appeals to order DNA testing of the ski mask worn by the perpetrator. This testing led to Nash's exoneration and the apprehension of the real killer, who was serving time for an unrelated drug crime. A federal civil rights lawsuit against the City of Chicago is currently pending.
13. Cesar Munoz

Munoz was convicted of the 1997 murder of his girlfriend, Magdaliz Rosario. Zellner's firm represented Munoz and won his acquittal - after the fourth trial (the first trial resulted in a hung jury, and the second two resulted in convictions but were reversed on appeal) - in June 2013.
14. Lathierial Boyd

Boyd spent twenty-three years in prison for the murder of Michael Fleming and the attempted murder of Ricky Warner until his conviction was vacated in 2013 due to evidence of his innocence and prosecutors withholding exculpatory evidence. A $20 million civil rights lawsuit against the City of Chicago and various police officers is currently pending in federal court.
15. Ryan Ferguson

Ferguson was arrested in 2004 for the 2001 murder of Columbia Tribune sports editor Kent Heitholt. His case generated national media coverage, and Ferguson gained support from many members of the public. He was released in November 2013 after Zellner and her firm convinced the only two witnesses against Ferguson, Charles Erickson and Jerry Trump, to admit that they had lied at trial. A $100 million civil rights lawsuit against Boone County, Missouri, the prosecutor, police officers, and others is currently pending in federal court.
16. James Edwards

Edwards was convicted of two murders as the result of a false confession. He was exonerated for the murder of Fred Reckling after Zellner filed a motion for DNA testing that cleared Edwards as the murderer. His other murder conviction, which came from the same confession shown by DNA testing to be false, is currently being challenged.
17. Mario casciaro

Casciaro was incarcerated for 22 months for felony murder by intimidation. The case was reversed on direct appeal and Casciaro was released from prison in September, 2015. "

I actually think it's kind of disgusting that some are implying she is in this only for the publicity.

Thank you thank you thank you for this!
The number of YEARS these men spent locked away&#128532;...disgusting.
I'm sure at that time everyone just "followed the evidence " as well&#128580;
If I had the TIME to look over transcripts in some of THOSE cases, wonder what would be in there?

Which is exactly why KZ does what she does, and this " one sided "documentary was made&#128521;IMO

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[dexter75]

IMO.. he didn't use *67 for the purpose of "setting her up" or anything like that..
IMO.. more people answer their phones to an unknown name as it's the only way to find out who it is, is to answer the call. IMO SA wanted Teresa to answer his call.. so he *67 her number .. maybe he thought if he just called NOT using *67, she wouldn't answer... and this was important to him that he talks to her.

I know I have *67 people.
I have called people and asked for the "highest up" and have told the secretary I was his wife.. LOL.. this works well, he answered my call right away!! The other call I made before I pretended to be the wife.... he just lets it go to the answering system.

Hmmm, good point. Never thought about this before&#128521;

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[dexter75]

I've done this myself when trying to get a hold of someone on the phone. *67 so that they don't think you are crazy trying to call them all day long. OR *67 in case you think they won't answer your call. Lots of legitimate reasons to *67. It means nothing in this case. Absolutely nothing. JMO

THIS. Yep, lol!
My first thought was this when I seen he had used this feature!
I too, am guilty as charged&#128580;

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[missy1974]

Thank you. I meant if they tested other pieces of evidence and it is also connected to SA. What happens if that happens? Does Zellner have to turn that over in discovery if there is a retrial?

There may be no such thing as sweat DNA but its a bodily fluid isn't it which would have a person's DNA in it?

I agree it isn't reasonable for any businessman who is actually doing legitimate business to use the block feature on his/her phone. I respectfully disagree though about its importance. If he did such a thing to a woman who was already uncomfortable meeting with him it will be highly important.

IMO

I am not sure if those tests have to be turned over or not? If Zellner disappears when the tests should be done.... we might know why LOL

the sweat DNA ~ it was never tested to determine what it was. Saliva, skin cells, blood, semen. IIRC from the motion, she wants to test it to see what it was too. There was an issue when they were taking SA's DNA.... they swabbed his groin area when the warrant didn't allow for that. It has raised some questions. The hood latch swab was also 'discoloured' according to SC in her testimony.

I guess if SA used *67 to call AutoTrader in the morning, maybe I would find it more suspicious, but he didn't. And without knowing his call history, and if he did use it before/after, then I just don't see it as that important. JMO

 

[Safeguard]

Thank you. I meant if they tested other pieces of evidence and it is also connected to SA. What happens if that happens? Does Zellner have to turn that over in discovery if there is a retrial?

There may be no such thing as sweat DNA but its a bodily fluid isn't it which would have a person's DNA in it?

I agree it isn't reasonable for any businessman who is actually doing legitimate business to use the block feature on his/her phone. I respectfully disagree though about its importance. If he did such a thing to a woman who was already uncomfortable meeting with him it will be highly important.

IMO

Bbm
Why was it highly important? As others have pointed out, the only reasons to use *67 is to get someone to answer your call, **( and to keep your number privet)... Which only means SA wanted to talk to TH without giving her his personal number...

It has been speculated that SA had made it seem as if TH would be meeting with Barb Janda that day, among other theories...If he was attempting to "Lure" her under the pretense that she would be meeting with someone other than himself, why would he want her to hear his voice at all?

I am just not seeing the how this ties into *luring"?

 

[Madeleine74]

*67 is all well and good except...

When SA made the 4:30-ish pm call to TH's cell phone, for the 3rd time that day, that one time he did not block his number. It's a curious thing that during the first 2 calls to TH from his cell that day he blocked his number and then the very last call (when her phone was no longer pinging anywhere nor able to connect to any tower) he did not block his number.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Sorry to change the discussion...but...If SA was going to jail to visit Jodi on a regular basis, wouldn't MPD know that he had an existing cut on his finger?

 

[RANCH]

*67 is all well and good except...

When SA made the 4:30-ish pm call to TH's cell phone, for the 3rd time that day, that one time he did not block his number. It's a curious thing that during the first 2 calls to TH from his cell that day he blocked his number and then the very last call (when her phone was no longer pinging anywhere nor able to connect to any tower) he did not block his number.

Perhaps something had changed at that point and he didn't care about his number being blocked any more. JMO

 

[Safeguard]

*67 is all well and good except...

When SA made the 4:30-ish pm call to TH's cell phone, for the 3rd time that day, that one time he did not block his number. It's a curious thing that during the first 2 calls to TH from his cell that day he blocked his number and then the very last call (when her phone was no longer pinging anywhere nor able to connect to any tower) he did not block his number.

Ok. but I was really hoping you would answer the question posed, about his use of *67 to in relation to SA's attempt to "lure" her there, since you speculated that's what he did it for. I am trying to see how that would tie in, but so far no will answer that. hmmm...

 

[Safeguard]

Sorry to change the discussion...but...If SA was going to jail to visit Jodi on a regular basis, wouldn't MPD know that he had an existing cut on his finger?

Maybe. Could there even be a camera at the sign-in window? His hands would be in plain view as he signed in no?

 

[missy1974]

Perhaps something had changed at that point and he didn't care about his number being blocked any more. JMO

Your statement probably has different meaning than it does to me LOL

But I have wondered if he *67 when he called her because he wasn't sure it was the "autotrader girl". According to Dawn (ugggh do we believe her? LOL), he didn't know her name, just said the same girl as last time. He did have her number written down, but I don't think it had Teresa, or AutoTrader, or anything beside it. Maybe he just wasn't sure it was her number, so he *67 it when he called in the afternoon.

I think it was common for Teresa to leave an AT magazine and her card after she took the photo's and part of that was so she could possibly get direct bookings because she got paid substantially more for those hustle shots. Once she was there, and she gave him the standard package that she left, he knew it was her number.

What makes me question that he lured her is....

He did not *67 when he called AutoTrader first thing in the morning. Who does that if you don't want them to know it's you? We know he knew how to use *67, why not use it to set up the appointment then.
He requested the same girl as last time. Who does that if you are luring? I would have expected him to call as if he was a new client.
Using Barb's name isn't suspect to me because it was her vehicle.
He gave them the address... AVERY ROAD.... anyone else live on Avery Road other than the Avery family and the Avery Salvage Yard?

 

[RANCH]

Your statement probably has different meaning than it does to me LOL

But I have wondered if he *67 when he called her because he wasn't sure it was the "autotrader girl". According to Dawn (ugggh do we believe her? LOL), he didn't know her name, just said the same girl as last time. He did have her number written down, but I don't think it had Teresa, or AutoTrader, or anything beside it. Maybe he just wasn't sure it was her number, so he *67 it when he called in the afternoon.

I think it was common for Teresa to leave an AT magazine and her card after she took the photo's and part of that was so she could possibly get direct bookings because she got paid substantially more for those hustle shots. Once she was there, and she gave him the standard package that she left, he knew it was her number.

What makes me question that he lured her is....

He did not *67 when he called AutoTrader first thing in the morning. Who does that if you don't want them to know it's you? We know he knew how to use *67, why not use it to set up the appointment then.
He requested the same girl as last time. Who does that if you are luring? I would have expected him to call as if he was a new client.
Using Barb's name isn't suspect to me because it was her vehicle.
He gave them the address... AVERY ROAD.... anyone else live on Avery Road other than the Avery family and the Avery Salvage Yard?

BBM

I wonder why he asked for the same girl as last time. Did someone else do a poor job and he didn't want them? Why not say "Don't send the person who did the job poorly".

 

[IDK]

BBM

I wonder why he asked for the same girl as last time. Did someone else do a poor job and he didn't want them? Why not say "Don't send the person who did the job poorly".

Maybe because he's not good with names? I don't always remember the names of service people who come to my home. Sure, it's on the paperwork from previous visits, but I don't always have the papers in front of me when I place the call.

 

[missy1974]

BBM

I wonder why he asked for the same girl as last time. Did someone else do a poor job and he didn't want them? Why not say "Don't send the person who did the job poorly".

Why not? There was another photographer that worked that area before June of that year. Saying "last time" indicates she has been there before, not something that someone would say if you are "luring" IMO IIRC TH was the only photographer that went out there from June-October, she did photo's for Avery's, and for the Janda's.

 

[Madeleine74]

Ok. but I was really hoping you would answer the question posed, about his use of *67 to in relation to SA's attempt to "lure" her there, since you speculated that's what he did it for. I am trying to see how that would tie in, but so far no will answer that. hmmm...

You misunderstood what I wrote. He blocked his number because he didn't want whoever he called to know who was calling. That's a logical deduction.

Why he felt the need to block his number only he can answer.

And why he felt the need to no longer block his number when he called TH's phone the 3rd and final time (around 4:30pm) is also unknown.

None of us are mind readers; I'm certainly not.

 

[Madeleine74]

The first call to setup the appointment with Auto Trader was made at 8:12am by SA from his cell phone. That call was not blocked. The name "B Janda" was given for the appointment, along with the phone number associated with B Janda's residence.

Calls direct to TH's phone in the afternoon (3 in all), 2 calls to TH phone from SA cell phone were blocked using *67 (2:24pm & 2:35pm). Third and last call to TH's non-pinging phone from SA cell phone was at 4:35pm and the caller ID was not blocked on that one call. TH's phone had lost its signal contact/ping to tower around 4:20pm.

 

[RANCH]

Why not? There was another photographer that worked that area before June of that year. Saying "last time" indicates she has been there before, not something that someone would say if you are "luring" IMO IIRC TH was the only photographer that went out there from June-October, she did photo's for Avery's, and for the Janda's.

Okay. Seems like a strange request to me.

Why did it matter who came out to do the job? Did Steven Avery know every employee that could come out and do the job? How would he know that? JMO

 

[Madeleine74]

It's an interesting detail, RANCH.