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What about the lack of commingling with TH's blood?
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What about the lack of commingling with TH's blood?
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It looks like Zellner has narrowed the suspects to JR, and RH...
http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n...9/q-10-key-issues-steven-avery-case/89540604/
http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n...9/q-10-key-issues-steven-avery-case/89540604/
Yeah it's usually someone close to the victim or who they know fairly well in most murder cases. Interesting, and thanks for posting this up Safeguard.
That would also make sense for RH hacking into Teresa's phone to delete numerous voicemails, they must of been incriminating toward him.
I wonder if Ms. Zellner was able to retrieve the content of the deleted V/mails?
I wonder if Ms. Zellner was able to retrieve the content of the deleted V/mails?
Do you know if this was in reference to her showing up to photograph the van or the later request to come back out and photograph the loader?
Zellner isn't looking for EDTA.
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Yep, I agree, though there could be the chance she has someone watching some people to see how they react to what she says and documents she files. Will someone suddenly relocate? I am not sure the guilty party(ies) would feel the need at this juncture given someone is already convicted. But, imo, that doesn't mean people won't get antsy and get their guard up in a noticeable way, especially if the courts rule the right way.
I can't see any reason for anyone to object to further testing or whatever KZ feels necessary to prove or disprove some things. Both sides should be interested in the truth, right?
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Maybe not exoneration, but there could be enough questions raised that a judge could overturn the conviction and SA could get a new trial in which he might be found not guilty, depending on what issues his new defense uses to show reasonable doubt.
He wasn't blaming his brothers in that appeal. He was pointing out how inept the investigation was by showing other people on the property were not investigated.
I would think by the release of this information she has more evidence against RH & JR that proves her case. She has sounded very confident in what she has said and we don't know everything yet. She knows what she is doing, her track record attests to that, All IMO.
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KZ does not win every case but her track record is quite remarkable. She is not one to just go running off at the mouth. I do not see her taking cases that are a long shot and even though this will be an uphill battle, she has something to go on or she would not be going on. She's a busy person and would not waste her time if she had nothing.
Yes you're right and i agree, although i couldn't imagine her losing too many cases. But no one's perfect i guess. She does great work and puts up a lot of her own money if she feels someone has been wrongfully convicted. I admire her efforts.
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Along with that, I would like to see a statement from Charles saying this. Or his trial testimony, oh wait....
The only thing in the CASO report that mentions this comment is from Fabian and Earl. Pages 208 and 236 specifically.
Fabian does testify in the trial, but this is not mentioned at all. His testimony starts on page 108 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1nzus-fCQcoZEpQR29QX1BSMnM/view This seems like pretty important information if true, why is not brought up in court? In his testimony he does say he got there around 4:45-4:50, when was that last call to TH from SA? Hmmm and he saw SA by the salvage yard buildings, not killing TH?
I'm not sure that we can take much in these CASO reports as truth though, especially after seeing the CASO report compared to JR's actual statement ... big difference between a large fire behind SA's trailer and a large fire contained to a 55 gallon drum.
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The article you posted early this morning/last night, was from April. At that time it sounded like she believed it was a male close to TH. What we have heard recently is that someone is talking and now JR seems to be on her radar.... JR, is not close to TH. So something definitely changed her mind since April.... I can't help but wonder about that red trailer at the deer camp that was sold and gone within a year of her disappearance..... did someone tip KZ off (JR employee? family?), did she find the trailer and do testing?
Hi missy, yeah anything is possible. I am fairly new to this case and not well versed in some of the other players in it, so was wondering what the relationship might be between RH & JR? Were they well known to each other? TIA.
From reading the information from KZ, it seems there are 4 players she mentions. That being RH, JR, JL & AC. Wonder how those 4 tie into each other and how such an elaborate plan would of been executed to set up SA?
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Karinna I don't think there has been any connection made between JR and RH, here or elsewhere.
I also think what Zellner was saying in her motion was that JR or RH are responsible for the murder and as a separate issue, JL and/or AC were part of the "framing". She doesn't accuse all LE of being part of the frame job, she is quite specific with pointing the finger at those 2.
IMO there could have been 2 different frame jobs going on at the same time, and the separate parties weren't aware of the other LOL For example.... if JR did it, it would have been in close enough proximity to shift the evidence over to the Avery's... the RAV4, the bones, the electronics. If RH did it... if he knew she had just come from SA's, take the RAV4, the bones, the electronics there and dump them. I can come up with issues for both scenario's in light of this motion though.... the tower ping is an issue for me if JR is responsible. The logistics of dumping the RAV4 and getting a ride back to wherever is an issue for me with RH.
As far as JL and AC. They could have been planting evidence to ensure a conviction, ya know, make sure this one sticks! Let's look at some of the evidence that surrounds those two:
License plates ~ could they have been found by 1 of them in another location and thrown into the vehicle they were found in so it looked bad for SA?
Key ~ could it have been found in the RAV4 and strategically (and poorly LOL) placed in SA's bedroom?
blood ~ ugggh so many thoughts on the blood LOL
I'm sure there is more that I can't think of right at the moment LOL But I don't think they needed to plant the bones, the bones could have been put there by the person responsible for the murder, right? Or I guess they could have put them there if they were found elsewhere too.... like a quarry or deer camp :scared:
If you read through the CASO report, it's evident that Lenk/Colborn were everywhere! They were at Kuss Rd (where a dog tracked), they were all over the Salvage Yard, they were in and out of all the residences, it is logical to assume that if there is planting in this case, it was one or both of these 2 that are responsible. Not to mention they were the one's that sat for depositions earlier that month. I doubt they liked being accused of anything.
I also think what Zellner was saying in her motion was that JR or RH are responsible for the murder and as a separate issue, JL and/or AC were part of the "framing". She doesn't accuse all LE of being part of the frame job, she is quite specific with pointing the finger at those 2.
IMO there could have been 2 different frame jobs going on at the same time, and the separate parties weren't aware of the other LOL For example.... if JR did it, it would have been in close enough proximity to shift the evidence over to the Avery's... the RAV4, the bones, the electronics. If RH did it... if he knew she had just come from SA's, take the RAV4, the bones, the electronics there and dump them. I can come up with issues for both scenario's in light of this motion though.... the tower ping is an issue for me if JR is responsible. The logistics of dumping the RAV4 and getting a ride back to wherever is an issue for me with RH.
As far as JL and AC. They could have been planting evidence to ensure a conviction, ya know, make sure this one sticks! Let's look at some of the evidence that surrounds those two:
License plates ~ could they have been found by 1 of them in another location and thrown into the vehicle they were found in so it looked bad for SA?
Key ~ could it have been found in the RAV4 and strategically (and poorly LOL) placed in SA's bedroom?
blood ~ ugggh so many thoughts on the blood LOL
I'm sure there is more that I can't think of right at the moment LOL But I don't think they needed to plant the bones, the bones could have been put there by the person responsible for the murder, right? Or I guess they could have put them there if they were found elsewhere too.... like a quarry or deer camp :scared:
If you read through the CASO report, it's evident that Lenk/Colborn were everywhere! They were at Kuss Rd (where a dog tracked), they were all over the Salvage Yard, they were in and out of all the residences, it is logical to assume that if there is planting in this case, it was one or both of these 2 that are responsible. Not to mention they were the one's that sat for depositions earlier that month. I doubt they liked being accused of anything.
Thanks for clarifying about RH & JR. Thanks also for your thoughts on all you have set out in your post. There certainly is a lot to think about, but i think in due course all will be revealed and will be much clearer. I hope so anyway. As Ms Zellner stated she will take the mystery out of the mystery.
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ugggh rabbit hole, here I go... jumping in... :hills:
JMO but here are my issues with the RAV4 blood. I cheated and went back to an old post of mine http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?298490-DNA-What-does-the-evidence-say/page5 Here is part of my post from then:
The amount of blood in the vial has always bothered me. I still have not found the answer to this question btw LOL
Add to this.... LeBeau (the EDTA/FBI guy) testified that not only did he not do presumptive blood tests on the swab or the cut of the swab that he tested, he didn't even test it to make sure it was SA's. So what if they cut a part to test it that didn't even have blood on it? How do we know the swab even had SA's blood on it? He said it was reported as being that and that was is. When he was asked if he did these test, he said "no sir, I'm not a qualified serologist" What?? LOL This line of questioning can be found here https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1nzus-fCQcod1J2blYwcG01M0U/view on page 225-226 I understand that this is only a small portion of his testimony, but it's pretty important, isn't it? I mean, if you are going to be testing for EDTA in the blood, it should be confirmed that you are actually testing blood, right? and at least testing the right person's blood? JMO