‘Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11

[annalia]

I think it's nice that the family supports her.

Other than that it doesn't mean anything one way or the other as far as guilt or innocence.

We've all seen before family members who came out in support of another, only to find out how wrong they were when they learned that the person was indeed guilty.

Also we've seen mothers who seemingly were great mothers, who have killed, intentionally or unintentionally, their child.

JMHO

 

[NancyA]

I think you're assume a 'withhunt' when for the majority it's more of not being willing to automatically rule DB out because we feel sorry for her or because she once was able to call 911/take her stepbrother to the hospital. Many of us are unsure and not willing to rule her out. She's told to many mistruths and changed her wstorytoo much.

I have to ask, not picking of you but for you and all posters of every mind set,

if it were Jeremy instead of Debbie we were discussing, would you be so willing to rule him out and declare him innocent and victim of a 'witch hunt?

You mean JI as the drunk sole carer? Interesting question if a little ironic to me, in my experience of following many of these cases some would STILL be blaming DB no matter how cast iron an alibi she had or that she out working to provide for her family because well "she's the Mom you know and she shouldn't have left her child in the care of a man known to drink..." For some reason we still hold mothers to a far higher standard of responsibility than we do fathers.

 

[cowtowner]

Weren't we discussing the issue of whether or not DB could drive the other day? Some thought that she couldn't drive so she couldn't have gone anywhere that night. I remember asking if she never had a license or had it suspended.

So this would prove that she did in fact have a license at one point, which means she could drive.

It's been reported her license was suspended - we do not know why it was suspended. I don't think the question has ever been her capability of driving.

 

[cluciano63]

Right now, I couldn't care less if DB was once voted mother of the year...it is all about what she is doing to try to help LE find her baby...which in my eyes, is exactly...nothing.

 

[krimekat]

Bottom line is that as of today November 6, 2011, there is no confirmed evidence linking these parents to the disappearance of their child.

They are not suspects. They haven't been arrested nor charged. So, imo they should be treated as victims of a child kidnapping.

If they have a lawyer, it's for a good reason. I would not have LE accuse me of killing my baby if I was innocent. I'd be just as hard a**ed as DB and JI. You want more, charge me.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Thanks for the reminder!

I appreciate the 'Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11 article as it gives more insight into DBs life.

This is why it pains me to read these threads; I typically come here for facts & information which include links, not rumors & just plain icky-ness about the "players". LE is so tight-lipped I can see why the MSM is full of speculation & misrepresentations.

Regardless how these people live their lives, they have NOT been considered POIs or charged with anything. No evidence is leading to Pumpkin Pie being dead and still there is speculation . . . while I respect your opinions, some "judgments" are too much for me.

:fence: until LE gives us more!

First thing I would do is "lawyer-up" just because of the tactics LE uses PLUS the media frenzy which more than likely ensues, especially if I am innocent. I may even hire a media consultant or sign an exclusive contract with sources to help me.

Peace!

 

[cowtowner]

I have to ask, not picking of you but for you and all posters of every mind set,

if it were Jeremy instead of Debbie we were discussing, would you be so willing to rule him out and declare him innocent and victim of a 'witch hunt?

For the sake of argument (Because I'm not sure anyone's been "ruled out" yet) let me say if the roles were reversed, YES, I'd be just as likely to feel the same way about JI as DB. I don't understand how gender changes anything.

 

[Dee10]

According to MK, LE also told her that DB failed the poly, and failed miserably. I doubt LE would have put that out there to a reporter, knowing full well the reporter was going to report that, if it wasn't true.

We still have laws against slander and defamation of character, don't we?

I think you are absolutely right LE would NOT tell MK that if it were untrue about DB. There would be a potential lawsuit against LE if DB chose that route & given her lawyer; a probable suit. :crazy:

 

[beach]

False. The article was created by the professional journalist who wrote it and the editors who authorized it to run.

The KC Star is a respected newspaper, one of the more well-respected newspapers in the country in terms of editorial and journalistic standards.

--respectfully snipped

And that same journalist has a SOURCE. The information they publish is only as good as the source is comes from.

Did LE give an interview that I am unaware of?

I know BS and JT have been front and center.... just wondering who else is yapping

 

[joyless]

Bottom line is that as of today November 6, 2011, there is no confirmed evidence linking these parents to the disappearance of their child.

They are not suspects. They haven't been arrested nor charged. So, imo they should be treated as victims of a child kidnapping.

If they have a lawyer, it's for a good reason. I would not have LE accuse me of killing my baby if I was innocent. I'd be just as hard a**ed as DB and JI. You want more, charge me.

There is also no confirmed evidence the baby was kidnapped...just the parents saying so...then later changing and changing the story...there is more "evidence" that it was not a kidnapping. MOO

 

[flipflop]

Bottom line is that as of today November 6, 2011, there is no confirmed evidence linking these parents to the disappearance of their child.

They are not suspects. They haven't been arrested nor charged. So, imo they should be treated as victims of a child kidnapping.

If they have a lawyer, it's for a good reason. I would not have LE accuse me of killing my baby if I was innocent. I'd be just as hard a**ed as DB and JI. You want more, charge me.

We will never really know how each one of us would react in this situation. We also know that LE works from inside the family first. If I was in DB's shoes and I was innocent, I feel I would work with LE every step of the way to clear my name so that they can move on to FIND MY BABY. It would be the most difficult thing to do, being accused of doing things to my own child, but getting through that and having LE clear my name would speed up the investigation. Having LE interview and DNA test others in the house, would speed up the investigation. LE is trying to find your baby, nothing would stop me from slowing LE down from doing so. JMO

 

[annalia]

It's been reported her license was suspended - we do not know why it was suspended. I don't think the question has ever been her capability of driving.

No, I'm remembering correctly, I went to check.

This is what began the discussion and it was over whether or not she could drive.

Your post #259
"It's a much more logical conclusion - based on the KNOWN FACTS and events of the night - that db did not drive or have a car she could drive that night."

[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7315229#post7315229"]family sources say there is a four hour window for abduction - Page 11 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


So now we can at least come to a logical conclusion that she could indeed drive.

 

[Marshmallow]

Nah, her family is just trying to humanize her. Remember, they love her and believe in her. Even her "ex" family. You would do the same for your daughter if you believed her. Or I would anyway.

of course I would, if I believed her. But a slanted article isn't going to change the inconsistancies and rule out DB, nor should it.

 

[yllek]

False. The article was created by the professional journalist who wrote it and the editors who authorized it to run.

The KC Star is a respected newspaper, one of the more well-respected newspapers in the country in terms of editorial and journalistic standards.



What evidence do we have the DB or her team "authorized" anything? There is no quotes from DB, her "team" or anyone other than family.

What evidence is there that the paper went through the legal team at all for this article? The attorneys don't represent anyone but JI and DB.


There's absolutely nothing to state that the Star went through DB or her atty to "authorize" anything. I know editors at the Star, I've been interviewed by them for features before. They do not get "authorization" from the subject of an article before they print it.

My post never implied that I am questioning the Kansas City Star or its integrity. Now, if they included that tidbit about a 2008 article related to Debbi's husband being arrested for a shooting incident back then without verifying that it was the right Sean Bradley, I hold to my contention that it is bad journalism and should have been verified. But, I don't know for a fact that it wasn't verified to be true.

As stated in my original post, I believe Debbi and her team was aware of her family's motivation and intent to get this information released. Again, I don't think there's anything wrong with that and found the article an interesting read. I expressed that I feel it's logical to assume that Debbi and her team knew about the article and were therefore involved because Debbi and Jeremy released a public statement expressing dissatistaction with Ms. Short for releasing information to the press that they did not know about until after the fact. I can't imagine Debbi's family would be insensitive and upset her in the same way by not getting authorization to release this very personal information. I could be wrong about that though.

I never implied that there was anything wrong with her family getting authorization in advance. In fact, I would think it wrong not to do so, but that's jmo. It has nothing to do with the Kansas City Star getting authorization or the credibility of the Kansas City Star, that was never implied in my post.

FWIW, I am happy to see the family talking to the local media and I am on record in this forum for noting that I trust the local media's accurracy over that of the national media's at this time.

If you are of the opinion that Debbi's family released this information without the parents' and their team's authorization, then I will simply agree to respectfully disagree. I assume and hope that the family involved them. Two different opinions and not really relevant to the story itself, imo.

 

[Marshmallow]

What reason would the KC Star have for being biased and un-objective in this case?

I misread the post I replied to.

 

[melissasmom]

BBM. Respectfully, I think DB is making herself look bad and doesn't need any help from any of us at all. I don't want her to be guilty, but color me jaded - parents of missing children do not act like this. Parents who have nothing to hide and/or are not complicit in the disappearance of their children, that is.

This isn't a witchhunt, it's people seeing through the BS DB and JI are selling. I for one ain't buying it. MOO.

Respectfully, how exactly are they supposed to act? I didn't know there was a certain standard for such a thing. People like to say "if my child was missing I would do this and this and this and act such and such a way" Well, maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't. No one really knows how they would react in this situation until it actually happens to you. Then if it did, it seems to me the last thing on your mind would be how you are coming across to the general public and the media. You would be in shock I would suspect.

And me personally, if someone abducted one of my children, and all the police did was accuse me of doing something horrible to my child, I would proabbly say "Scre.w you. You are not helping me, you need to find out who really did this" But that is just my opinion.

 

[hambirg]

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Thanks for the reminder!

I appreciate the 'Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11 article as it gives more insight into DBs life.

This is why it pains me to read these threads; I typically come here for facts & information which include links, not rumors & just plain icky-ness about the "players". LE is so tight-lipped I can see why the MSM is full of speculation & misrepresentations.

Regardless how these people live their lives, they have NOT been considered POIs or charged with anything. No evidence is leading to Pumpkin Pie being dead and still there is speculation . . . while I respect your opinions, some "judgments" are too much for me.

:fence: until LE gives us more!

First thing I would do is "lawyer-up" just because of the tactics LE uses PLUS the media frenzy which more than likely ensues, especially if I am innocent.

Peace!

Just addressing the bolded, we do know there was a cadaver dog hit in the MB. People can argue the validity of that, but it's not nothing.

 

[NancyA]

For the sake of argument (Because I'm not sure anyone's been "ruled out" yet) let me say if the roles were reversed, YES, I'd be just as likely to feel the same way about JI as DB. I don't understand how gender changes anything.

You don't have to understand it but sadly there still exists in the minds of many that old double standard that often gives fathers a pass when they fail to live up to their parental responsibilities while mothers get pilloried for any such failures. In the case of Zahra Baker, her biological mother was torn to pieces by many for having given her up as a baby as if she'd abandoned her in the street NOT left her in the care of her father and grandmother. Meanwhile, the father who dragged the child half way across the world away from a secure home, medical care and family and left her in the dubious 'care' of his bigamous new 'wife' and moreover couldn't pinpoint to within 3 weeks when he last saw his child alive was given a pass on the grounds of "well he's a guy, he was out at work, he's not all that sharp, how could he know?"

 

[Marshmallow]

What reason would the KC Star have for being biased and un-objective in this case?

access. they get a headline and interviews and the only way to do that is to go with the flow and the flow of words are only coming out of this family

 

[packerdog]

Sgt. Sean Bradley’s service ended in March 2007. The couple returned to Independence and moved in with Debbie’s dad. But Sean couldn’t find a job and struggled in the civilian world, Hazel says. A 2008 news article says he was arrested for discharging a weapon; he told police he was suffering from war-related stress.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/0...lain.html#.TrYDcX3KlkE.facebook#ixzz1cvT3I4KC


So it is him then? I thought the posters determined there was another SB it could have been, with different middle initials. Did the reporter confirm this with Hazel ? or just read the same article we saw?

It is good to see that her ex-MIL has good things to say about her as a mother but did she ever observe her interacting with her children while drunk?
And her father? Has he seen DB being a great mother for the children after emptying a box of wine?

JMO but being a great mother while sober does not tell us very much about all the things that may go wrong when intoxicated.

I am sad because it sounds like DB's son has completely lost all contact with the paternal side of his family, grandparents included.




Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/0...lain.html#.TrYDcX3KlkE.facebook#ixzz1cvUB4m4Z

So she can drive then? Wonder what she did. It's probably not relevant but interesting anyway.


The dog bite incident sounds a bit irrelevant to me as well. Her father brings it up as proof that she would not have covered Lisa's death up but it is no such thing IMO. The boy bitten by a dog was not dead, he would be fine after getting some care, it does not seem like it was DB's fault in any manner and she wasn't facing any serious legal consequences for an accident, there were even witnesses to the accident and the boy was probably also old enough to say what had happened to him. So there was nothing whatsoever that anyone would have needed to cover up. It's hardly comparable to any scenario in which a baby could have ended up dead in the intoxicated parent's bedroom and the parent would think it's better to stage a kidnapping than to face the music.

You are sad "because it sounds like DB's son has completely lost all contact with the paternal side of his family, grandparents included" Who do you think is at fault here? I think the father is a self centered,horrible dad.

 

[dizzychick]

Just a general statement about my family: Im damn glad I let my kid sleep between us until he was way to old by American standards LOL We asked the doctor when he was young like less than a year for her opinion and she said it was quite ok and that the Chinease allowed their children co-sleeping until the age of 6. Our son was a severe asthamatic and i coudnt sleep w/o knwing he was breathing. By letting him sleep with us I could just wake up and look at him and know he was ok. Hubyy was all for this too. He is our baby and my second child. I always had a fear too that someone or something might get him. Now that he is 15 not so worried LOL but in hindsight im very glad I did this. I cannot imagine if that family is innocent how they must feel for leaving that baby alone in a room. Im well aware it is a rare occurance to have a stranger abduction but still, I woundt let my little ones sleep alone in this day and age.