‘Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11

[aks9847]

LE called DB "white trash"? C'mon now.

I would think interrogations are always taped, so someone is lying....:liar:

 

[NancyA]

Just addressing the bolded, we do know there was a cadaver dog hit in the MB. People can argue the validity of that, but it's not nothing.

No, it's not nothing I agree but even the verified dog experts here say false positive alerts are NOT uncommon and that is why I at least need confirmation of a SECOND dog hit before I can count it as incontrovertible evidence.

 

[ZsaZsa]

reading this article no wonder the family stopped talking to LE. Told her they had a body, they know she murdered Lisa, showed her burnt clothes. Told JI that DB confessed that Lisa wasn't his - ughhh - I would have lawyered up and stopped talking to.

It reminds me of Casey Anthony after her interviews- she told her family that LE were going to "pin it on her" too.
:innocent:

 

[cluciano63]

Respectfully, how exactly are they supposed to act? I didn't know there was a certain standard for such a thing. People like to say "if my child was missing I would do this and this and this and act such and such a way" Well, maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't. No one really knows how they would react in this situation until it actually happens to you. Then if it did, it seems to me the last thing on your mind would be how you are coming across to the general public and the media. You would be in shock I would suspect.

And me personally, if someone abducted one of my children, and all the police did was accuse me of doing something horrible to my child, I would proabbly say "Scre.w you. You are not helping me, you need to find out who really did this" But that is just my opinion.

That might be an initial reaction to being accused by LE...but clinging to it a month later, and acting only through teams of attorneys, when no progress has been made, really? A parent's hurt feelings really supercede the fact that a little baby is missing? A so-called fear of a false arrest? When was the last time a person confessed falsely to a missing persons case? Wouldn't they have to know where the person was, for it to be a confession? What fear could be greater than the fear of not knowing where your baby is? It seems very selfish to me for the parents to worry more about themselves at a time like this. JMOJMOJMOJMOJMOJMO

 

[not_my_kids]

Poor Lisa. I wish the news media would spend half as much time on her as they do on DB. This case began in the beginning of October. That is that point that needs to be focused on, and the moments from that point on. Yes, DB had a hard childhood, so did her siblings...how horrible. Now, what about the actual victim? Her name is Lisa.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Yes. Because I guess there's some danger that it might inspire the public to look at her very realistically, and fairly, and not condemn her.

That girl can NOT catch a break. : (

I love her prom picture; while a lot of girls go to prom dressed as if they are doing a photo shoot for an escort service, she looks sweet. Her Mom had passed, she was taking care of her siblings and taking on an adult role. It's good to know that she had that event so that she could dress up and just be a girl going to prom.

 

[4Jacy]

LE called DB "white trash"? C'mon now.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, Mountian Kat, a link. OMG, I really need to see this!!!!! THANKS!!!

 

[~n/t~]

Just addressing the bolded, we do know there was a cadaver dog hit in the MB. People can argue the validity of that, but it's not nothing.

It's nothing until LE confirms it was a positive hit and not a false positive. As of today, we have not been officially told by LE that Lisa is dead.

 

[Emeralgem]

I didn't read anything in the article that convinced me DB is not capable of manipulating, lying or deceiving people when it comes down to DB doing what she wants to do..When DB wants to do it...JMHO
I'm not on any witchhunt either but IMHO she knows what happened to her daughter and she knows she is the one responsible for what happened too....JMHO

 

[krimekat]

No, it's not nothing I agree but even the verified dog experts here say false positive alerts are NOT uncommon and that is why I at least need confirmation of a SECOND dog hit before I can count it as incontrovertible evidence.

Thank you! I was going to reply with this post from a SAR expert: [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7314021&postcount=114"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Cadaver dog hit on scent in DBs bedroom[/ame]

IMHO we just do not have enough from LE to vilify these parents.

I am glad that DBs family & friends are speaking out about her, the good & the bad. Gives us more insight into her world . . .

 

[Abby Normal]

I'm thinking that a lot of our assumptions (of discrepancies) are based on inference that maybe need to be placed in context. LE is lucky enough to have context and access to things that we don't. If she did this, I believe fully in their ability to get to the bottom of this.

Is she capable of doing this? yes. Of course. But thank goodness LE is taking the time to prove it. We will know soon enough if they were able to. We also know that they have been diligently investigating other possibilities.

I believe it's our social obligation not to vilify anyone until it's proven they are a villain. JMO.

 

[mlc9852]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Thanks for the reminder!

I appreciate the 'Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11 article as it gives more insight into DBs life.

This is why it pains me to read these threads; I typically come here for facts & information which include links, not rumors & just plain icky-ness about the "players". LE is so tight-lipped I can see why the MSM is full of speculation & misrepresentations.

Regardless how these people live their lives, they have NOT been considered POIs or charged with anything. No evidence is leading to Pumpkin Pie being dead and still there is speculation . . . while I respect your opinions, some "judgments" are too much for me.

:fence: until LE gives us more!

First thing I would do is "lawyer-up" just because of the tactics LE uses PLUS the media frenzy which more than likely ensues, especially if I am innocent. I may even hire a media consultant or sign an exclusive contract with sources to help me.

Peace!

But there is evidence Baby Lisa is dead. The cadaver dog hit.

 

[justamommy]

it bothers me that anyone doubting DB's word is being assumed as thinking she's automatically guilty. While I cannot speak for everyone doubting her words, I can speak for myself. Having already stopped posting on one forum because of this anti-attitude, I'm wondering if it's just a misunderstanding.


This is on topic, bear with me please.
I cannot just assume DB is right, in the case of any missing child it would be wrong to just paint her as a wonderful mother and move on to another person to assume guilt for. Being a mother is not an assumpption of innocence as we've all sadly seen in other cases. Nor does the fact that Lisa has an involved father mean we should blame him without reason simply based on his having manparts.
I look at the situation the night Lisa went missing, I look at the accounts given, and I look at inconsistancies.
In the case there are inconsistancies, mostly fron only the mother and the addition of being "drunk to the point of blacking out" confessions by the Mother, the changing of story details, the media blitz by both the parents and the parent's attys. How are we, the minority being laughed at for our thoughts, supposed to pretend those things are not there?

Given those details I cannot and will not discount the parents, especially the mother. But that should not mean my posts are met with laughter and a mob like ganging up on. If anything I would think that others might be glad that my mind remains open to all possiblities. I do not know who was responsible for Lisa's disappearance but sympathy for the mother's life aside and pity for her eliminated, she cannot and should not be eliminated. Especially since she seems to be given to mistruths and exaggerations. Very little of what she has said can be proven as fact yet LE is attacked and assumed to be guilty of something based on only DB's versions of things. That makes me wonder why it's okay to paint LE as so bad but not okay to wonder about DB's actions and words.

Conversely, those of us still on the fence or who believe in her innocense are attacked as well. :twocents:

I DO believe that LE is doing their job. I DO think that IF DB is innocent and doesn't know anything that she might not trust them very much. I DO think that until arrested DB/JI are victims of a crime as well as Lisa is. I DO think they deserve are sympathy/prayers as their little baby is missing. I DON'T think these attorneys have the best interest of anyone, but themselves in mind. I DON'T think this young couple has the life experience/smarts to be able to cope with this and are being given very bad advice. I DO think the media and attorneys have sensationalized and manipulated this story into what it is.

These are my opinions. I will withhold judgement as to the guilt/innocence of the parties concerned until LE comes out and gives us the case. In the meantime, I will pray that Lisa is found safe and is returned to the family that loves her.:twocents:

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

Respectfully, how exactly are they supposed to act? I didn't know there was a certain standard for such a thing. People like to say "if my child was missing I would do this and this and this and act such and such a way" Well, maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't. No one really knows how they would react in this situation until it actually happens to you. Then if it did, it seems to me the last thing on your mind would be how you are coming across to the general public and the media. You would be in shock I would suspect.

And me personally, if someone abducted one of my children, and all the police did was accuse me of doing something horrible to my child, I would proabbly say "Scre.w you. You are not helping me, you need to find out who really did this" But that is just my opinion.

You know what? There is a standard for when your child is missing - it's called telling the truth and helping in any way you can, regardless of what may be brought to light. I can tell you that with every fiber of my being that if my child went missing, my life would be an open book, skeletons and all. I would not stop cooperating with them or refuse to allow them to question my minor children.

Besides, what exactly are DB and JI doing to help find their missing daughter? Nothing. MOO.

 

[SyraKelly]

This is just MOO-DB was not mother hen the night she was drinking,blacking out from a box of wine,and I don't mean
that in a snarky way.It was wrong for her do this when she had a sick child and 2 others in her care!!

 

[krimekat]

--respectfully snipped

And that same journalist has a SOURCE. The information they publish is only as good as the source is comes from.

Did LE give an interview that I am unaware of?

I know BS and JT have been front and center.... just wondering who else is yapping

Interviewed for the article
David Netz, Jr., Lisa's maternal grandfather
Hazel Bradley, Deborah's mother-in-law
Johnny Chivalette III, Deborah's uncle

I doubt LE is giving information to any news source except through Pressers (when was the last one they gave?) . . .

 

[annalia]

Yes. Because I guess there's some danger that it might inspire the public to look at her very realistically, and fairly, and not condemn her.

That girl can NOT catch a break. : (

But how does any of that prove her guilt or innocence?

We saw lots of pictures and videos of CA and SS too. There were those who portrayed them as loving mothers too.

I think people can also realistically know that mothers, who by all intents and purposes were good mothers, who still killed their child.

 

[jjenny]

I believe several members of the jury gave interviews and declared they believed CA was a loving mother.

 

[krimekat]

But there is evidence Baby Lisa is dead. The cadaver dog hit.

This is NOT evidence pointing to Lisa being dead. There was one hit by a cadaver dog . . . respectfully, maybe you should read the Cadaver Dog thread.

[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152518"]Cadaver dog hit on scent in DBs bedroom - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Point made, thanks (back to lurking)

 

[cluciano63]

All kinds of people say Terri Horman was a great mother to Kyron too...and yet very few have any qualms about insisting on her guilt...I see very little correlation between the "good mother" quotes and the actual truth of what goes on in homes.