04/22/2013 - waiting for rebuttal to continue

[Nhic]

Heh, maybe that gun was found after all. JM had it tested, proves JA used it, tells the DT, they run in with a new defense - heat of passion. Anything's possible, but rest assured JM is on top of this like white on rice.

 

[kaRN]

According to my attorney brother, judges will sometimes add the lesser included offenses IF the defense has laid a foundation through witness testimony and evidence offered. I think that was what the DT was quietly doing with Samuels and ALV. They have been laying out their foundation for a battered woman that finally snapped, because of prior abuse and mistreatment. I am afraid that the judge might let these lesser includes in at the last moment.

Thanks for getting that info!

Seems to me that picture of TA where the judge has ruled that JA was not holding any weapon in, contradicts just snapping with no pre-meditation involved. In case we get into a heated passionate argument, I'm coming from off the grid armed and disguised as a brunette in a rented car. :scared:

 

[tomato]

I think I heard one of the talking head lawyers on HLN state that if the votes are split and The jury can't come to unanimous agreement that in Arizona , the law requires them to go with the lesser charge.

So far, I see solid and enough evidences(everything she did to cover herself up before the murder) against JA of premeditated murder, if say one juror does not agree with the others then I assume he/she needs to give some convincing reasons to back him/her up, if he/she can't, then the rest of the jurors can report this to the court and let the judge decides if an alternative juror should be brought in to replace him/her.

I am not sure if that's how it works but any thought?

 

[travelgal]

A surr-rebuttal and lesser charges?

Why should another quack doctor who hasn't even met with Jodi (unless he's doing that this weekend) be allowed to testify?

How can it be self defense OR crime of passion?

This scares me. I don't think Juan has convinced every juror this was pre-meditated. He needs to do MORE. He needs to prove 3 gas cans, 3 gas purchases, something. I don't know. I feel absolutely sick.

One thing I am CONVINCED of, is that there is NO WAY she will be convicted of a lesser charge such as manslaughter. I know for a fact there are more than a handful of jurors who will NOT budge off 1st degree. So chances of hung jury have increased in my mind.

If he is testing & interviewing her this weekend she should fly right through it. She's read the books and had the tests so how can that be considered reliable?? :banghead: :banghead:

 

[ProtectOurKids]

Oh and speaking of JA and her contrivances ... She wrote that check to Travis knowing damned well it was never going to be cashed. JMO.

Wasn't the photo of the check in plastic? I cannot remember. IF she wrote it while at Travis's...... quess it would be too much to hope she used one of his pens and it could be traced to the ink used on the check....

 

[Aliz488]

After the casey anthony trial. I said I WOULD NOT GET INTERESTED IN ANOTHER TRIAL. Well I am in this one. I am so impressed with Juan and will continue to be after this trial is over. He has done the best he could with a great Liar for a defendant. I hope the JURY takes their time to go trough the evidence. I will be mad at the outcome if it is less than guilty of 1st degree, but WAS SO SHOCKED by CASEY VERDICT

 

[AZWatcher]

Heh, maybe that gun was found after all. JM had it tested, proves JA used it, tells the DT, they run in with a new defense - heat of passion. Anything's possible, but rest assured JM is on top of this like white on rice.

Heat of passion using a gun she STOLE a week before the murder? Nu uh no way. I wish the gun had been found. I also wish Travis' friends didn't send so many pics of him holding and shooting guns to the media outlets. I'm sure they meant no harm but it didn't help. JMO

 

[Sleuth5]

After the casey anthony trial. I said I WOULD NOT GET INTERESTED IN ANOTHER TRIAL. Well I am in this one. I am so impressed with Juan and will continue to be after this trial is over. He has done the best he could with a great Liar for a defendant. I hope the JURY takes their time to go trough the evidence. I will be mad at the outcome if it is less than guilty of 1st degree, but WAS SO SHOCKED by CASEY VERDICT

:seeya: Aliz488, we refer to that trial here as "The trial that shall not be named."

 

[Arabian Girl]

Correct, and adding to the self-defense jury charge also.

Wait...now I'm confused?! Is Jodi actually changing her plea or is the Jury just going to receive instructions for both self-defense AND manslaughter (passion)??

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I'm not worried. I've said it before -- no matter which twelve end up in the jury room, I'm convinced that a clear majority will be convinced of 1st degree premeditated. There is no way, in my opinion, that a minority of folks holding out for a second degree conviction would sway them into a unanimous vote based on the evidence in this case. So it's going to be all or nothing, in my view. 1st degree or hung.

If it looks like there are one or two holdouts on 1st degree, I hope that their jury colleagues will remind them that, in the event of a hung jury, this case will be retried - at the expense of the State of Arizona. Just sayin'.....

 

[josie1986]

They've been available all along. There was nothing new today that I saw and I'm saving the ones I did see for the next lull in conversation leading to a prolonged "sphincter" discussion

do you have a link,i cant find anything on google.

 

[AZWatcher]

Wasn't the photo of the check in plastic? I cannot remember. IF she wrote it while at Travis's...... quess it would be too much to hope she used one of his pens and it could be traced to the ink used on the check....

Wouldn't matter. She doesn't deny being there.

 

[Mellinyce]

I have no words to describe what I am feeling at the moment..none!

 

[GoAskAllie]

Interesting little nugget from the Wendi Andriano case (one of JM's case)

"Linda Percy (a juror), 63, a Realtor in Gilbert, said the trial devastated her business life. It prevented her from visiting her ailing 97-year-old grandmother in West Virginia in October.

"It deprived me of a chance to see her" before she died, Percy said. She sent her son as a substitute. Percy said that finding Andriano guilty of first-degree murder was very easy. She did not believe Andriano was a battered woman, saying that nearly any relationship qualified as abusive under defense expert Sharon Murphy's definition"

Isn't this applicable here? ALV said it was ok if JA had lied about the physical abuse, pedophilia etc. The few instances of name-calling (judged without context) were enough! I bet the jurors are laughing at this BS.

Thanks for sharing the comments from the Andriano juror. Hard to imagine this jury doesn't feel similarly about Jodi's claims and ALV's testimony.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

After the casey anthony trial. I said I WOULD NOT GET INTERESTED IN ANOTHER TRIAL. Well I am in this one. I am so impressed with Juan and will continue to be after this trial is over. He has done the best he could with a great Liar for a defendant. I hope the JURY takes their time to go trough the evidence. I will be mad at the outcome if it is less than guilty of 1st degree, but WAS SO SHOCKED by CASEY VERDICT

A friend of mine called me in the middle of the night when the Casey verdict came down .. I actually laughed at him and said that she was going to be found guilty .. TALK ABOUT DENAIL! He made me go and turn on Fox News then and there. :banghead:

 

[josie1986]

So this isn't changing her plea of guilty but due to self defense? This is adding to the self defense? Im sooooo confused.

the DT are wanting a heat of the moment,crime of passion to be given in jury instructions. which means if they dont find premeditated first degree they have the choice of find her guilty of heat of the moment crime of passion

 

[Sleuth5]

I have no words to describe what I am feeling at the moment..none!

Use a picture, Melinyce. It's therapeutic.

 

[Arabian Girl]

So far, I see solid and enough evidences(everything she did to cover herself up before the murder) against JA of premeditated murder, if say one juror does not agree with the others then I assume he/she needs to give some convincing reasons to back him/her up, if he/she can't, then the rest of the jurors can report this to the court and let the judge decides if an alternative juror should be brought in to replace him/her.

I am not sure if that's how it works but any thought?

Yikes! I'm certainly no lawyer but I think if it's not unanimous, it's a hung jury and we start all over again.

I can't see any jury just quitting after all this time. :banghead:

 

[Karmady]

Wait...now I'm confused?! Is Jodi actually changing her plea or is the Jury just going to receive instructions for both self-defense AND manslaughter (passion)??

The defense has requested the alternate charge but the court has to decide if it will be given. If the judge decides that it will be given, yes, they will get both charges. At least that's my understanding of it. You are allowed to plead/charge conflicting alternative theories. Maybe ask that in the lawyers' thread, though.

 

[Nhic]

Heat of passion using a gun she STOLE a week before the murder? Nu uh no way. I wish the gun had been found. I also wish Travis' friends didn't send so many pics of him holding and shooting guns to the media outlets. I'm sure they meant no harm but it didn't help. JMO

Sure, all she'd have to say is she had the .25 for that fake camping trip. When she shot TA, the gun jammed, and after she butchered him she had to replace it with a 9mm for that fake camping trip.

But then she'd have to come up with a new story as to where the .25 was.....in her hand or on TA's closet shelf LOL

Christmas will be here before this trial is over.