04/22/2013 - waiting for rebuttal to continue

[Nosey Parker]

Does anyone know if the jury looks at them often, or do the jurors just look at whose testifying? I wonder if the jurors look around the room and take it all in or not.

We know they took in ALV looking at Arias and Wilmott for guidance!!

 

[kayice]

I wonder what happened to him. I haven't seen him in the gallery as of late. No interviews either. Maybe they had a bad break up :floorlaugh: At least he is safe.

Bryan Carr? Maybe his friends? told him told him to watch this: Jodi Arias Killing Timeline - YouTube

Jodi Arias Killing Timeline

 

[Bravo]

Aww that's so nice. I was with Samantha last night and she expressed how much Websleuths has been "unbelievably supportive" .

Not going today , it's my brothers birthday! I'll go tomorrow and thurs though. I'm hanging up my notebook though..explained in the observer thread. I'm actually not that well right now in terms of my usual vitality so had to make some hard decisions. Thanks for asking.

Tell your Brother Happy Birthday wishes from Canada. Glad you are taking care of you katie. Yes decompress and have a wonderful Family day.

 

[GoAskAllie]

I think her IQ data is fake too.. Her writing script resembles a sixth grader. What she says in her diaries are not intelligent. She certainly doesn't look, or act intelligent. Her Einstein comment was wishful thinking..As far as the comments from TH's about her being gorgeous..OMG, one eye is slightly crossed. She has crooked teeth, large murderous hands.. No, nothing at all attractive about that killer.. IMO

While Jodi's total IQ score fell short of Einstein's or qualification for admission to MENSA, I have confidence in the results of the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) IQ test administered by Dr. DeMarte. In fact of all the tools used to diagnose Jodi over the years, I'd consider the WAIS among the most reliable and least subject to manipulation by Jodi (unless she deliberately answered questions incorrectly, which her massive ego wouldn't allow her to do). Keep in mind the 119 total IQ score is comprised of the 136 VCI score she achieved in the Verbal domain part of the test, plus results from other domains/sub-tests. We don't know her scores in these other domains and sub-tests, however it would seem that at least some of those scores are significantly lower than her overall verbal score, which might explain some of her shortcomings! What I love about JM and Dr. DeMarte highlighting her high verbal score is that it makes it NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to believe (not that we did anyway) that Jodi didn't understand what she read about what constitutes sex, chastity, etc. in the Book of Mormon. JMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

In a democratic society the population need to be able to read and write. The schools are for educating EVERYONE'S kids-not just yours. I have ZERO kids and I gladly pay my school taxes.

IMO educating a child shouldn't cost 15k per child a year. It's laughable. The money is being wasted.


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[LambChop]

Hey all I've been extremely busy the past couple days & haven't been able to log into WS/post/view forums & just wanted to add a thought/theory....



I've been thinking about JA and that stinking 9mm that she bought after her murderous rampage & I'm not sure if anyone has brought this thought up but I think that JA bought the 9mm as a continuation of her premeditation & cover up post-killing (& NOT for the reason that she states of course nor for the reason that some have speculated on here that she was going to go on a serial killer style murdering spree cross country w/ the gun). What I mean is that we all know how sneaky, cold, calculating, & weasely that JA is & she probably thought it a good idea to go out and get herself a gun of a DIFFERENT caliber than what she used to kill TA thinking that when the police go to run ballistics on the casing found at the scene (which JA purposely left at the crime scene for this reason) they will find that it is a 25mm caliber bullet/gun that they are looking for & w/ a 9mm JA thought that when the time came that all would be suspicioning her involvement in TA's death and when the cops go to search if she has a firearm they will find that she DOES have ONE gun of a different caliber than what they were looking for. I think JA underestimated the ability of LE and thought that this would be helpful in throwing them off the scent of her involvement. She could simply say to the LE that to look at her gun ownership records and they will see that she never owned a 25mm gun, but instead a completely different caliber gun & the records would show it was the only registered gun that she has ever owned. She could then argue to LE that if it were her that killed TA the bullet casing that would be found at the scene would match her gun (ae: a 9mm).
Everything that we know about JA is that she meticulously calculated little ways (both right before 6/4/08 & the days immediately following after) that could make herself appear innocent and/or having no involvement in TA's death. She went as far as to steal the 25mm from the same house that she resided in and did her best to make it look as if it was stolen from anyone other than her so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that she decently sought out one type caliber gun (that in secretly stealing would make it so that there were no records to her owning/having such a gun) & made sure to use it during the commission of TA's murder in order to leave some kind of evidence such as the casing purposely at the scene in order to try and throw the blame off of her being the killer. And then right after using the 25mm gun and planting her casing evidence, she disposed of it in a place where it can't be found atm and instead went and bought herself a different caliber gun. It seriously sounds like something that JA would do/did (along with all of the other similar deceptive tactics that she took). This also explains why she left the bullet casing (that was on TOP of blood) behind when it was laying on the bathroom tile in plain view/sight & drawing from the similar patterns that we see JA use in her deceptive tactics used both right before TA's murder and immediately thereafter it would make the most sense for WHY she went out & bought a gun. What do ya'll think about this?

Didn't Jodi say at one point that she was planning on returning the books she had in the box with the knives to MM because the books belonged to him and that is why she rented the car. I think he was the next victim. Since she admitted he betrayed her, I'm sure he knew "too much information." I seriously think she would have killed him in the blink of an eye and went on her merry way. jmo

 

[YESorNO]

I am in no way to be a death/dying expert..... like some people cough cough cough. But I lost my older sister 2 years ago to a house fire. I can relate to the pain.

So sorry about that kaydono. ((((( Hugs to you)))))

 

[rose222]

:seeya:

I know many are not enthused with HLN's "re-enactments" ...

But the one that has "impressed" me so far is Mike Galanos' re-enactment the 3 - 5-gallon gas cans !

Mike's demonstration starts at appx. 1:12

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/24/arias-gas-alexander-jury-murder


Seriously, "who" would fill up 3 of these gas cans and put them in the trunk, in June, in Arizona ?

IMO, this definitely proves pre-meditation and that Jodi did NOT want to stop for gas in Arizona !

:drumroll: Oh, I wish Juan could bring sample gas cans in the court room !

Thank you for the link. It's really a 'WOW' moment to actually see the gas cans lined up like that. And, as pointed out in the video, gas cans that heavy don't help save any gas!

 

[BritsKate]

Hello Everyone!:seeya:

Lurking for a while, decided to drop in and say hi!

I felt compelled to bring this up right away, so please give me just a moment of your time. I promise I won't ramble on and on for days on end about stories that don't matter or pertain to this subject. So here goes.

I feel SO bad that I have been reading all of your posts with your inner thoughts, I just wanted to say...I'm sorry. I feel like I have invaded everyone's trust, so I needed to get that off my chest right away. I take everyone's word very seriously and I haven't seen anyone lying in their posts (although one could say, if you lie, you're not a liar) but who am I to judge, I'm not a human lie detector! Please also note that although there has been a lot of "naughty" talk on these threads, I will not ask any questions to you all about that subject, even though it would be extremely important at times for you to clarify, as I am OLD FASHIONED, and I may get a bit embarrassed about it.

One more thing about me I feel you all need to know. I have not been sneaking my iPad or laptop in through my doggy door, or into my closet, or for that matter, haven't laid under the Christmas tree lurking on these threads (although, at the rate this trial is moving along, I might lay under my own Christmas tree in December and read for a while) :floorlaugh:

****Please note: I am not getting paid $250 and hour to research these threads, and will not get paid $300 an hour for giving my opinion on these boards.***

On a serious note, I have enjoyed all your posts, and will continue to do so. Thanks for having me!

Stephanie

You're going to be a very welcome addition here. Brilliant first post! :floorlaugh:

 

[dani]

What would be lovely is if we could find a planet where we could just drop them off.

What if THIS is the planet where they're dropped off??? :gasp:

 

[Arabian Girl]

they seem to have development a pattern of choosing inappropriate expert witnesses. :floorlaugh:

Is it me or is the DT just plain dumb??? Juan is going to eat this guy as an appetizer!!! :jail::floorlaugh:

 

[Morganhillmom]

It's pretty gruesome. I think the pic that is the worst to me is the one of the nine stab wounds to his back. Just brutal.

Yes, and not only did she slit his throat but she stabbed him twice in the neck beforehand.

 

[Southern_Meadow]

You must watch Dr Horns testimony (Day 3 on youtube). It'll alleviate all your fears IMO. Also note that he's scheduled to return in the states rebuttal case to reinforce the brutality and sequence of events. There isn't an excuse in the world for what she did to TA that doesn't justify her rotting with PTSD, BPD and BWS in prison like all the others sitting on death row.

Yes. I re-watched on Friday and I have no worries. Not even with the defense asking for manslaughter to be added to the jury instructions. I think Dr. Horn may be the last witness called in rebuttal. Leave the gun shot last testimony the last thing on the jury's mind before closing arguments -- assuming the DT isn't granted a surrebuttal.

Also, IMO, all anyone has to do is look at the crime scene and autopsy photos (particularly the more gruesome ones that were on that morbid website) to determine this was not manslaughter or self defense. :twocents:

 

[camcneishg]

Hey all I've been extremely busy the past couple days & haven't been able to log into WS/post/view forums & just wanted to add a thought/theory....



I've been thinking about JA and that stinking 9mm that she bought after her murderous rampage & I'm not sure if anyone has brought this thought up but I think that JA bought the 9mm as a continuation of her premeditation & cover up post-killing (& NOT for the reason that she states of course nor for the reason that some have speculated on here that she was going to go on a serial killer style murdering spree cross country w/ the gun). What I mean is that we all know how sneaky, cold, calculating, & weasely that JA is & she probably thought it a good idea to go out and get herself a gun of a DIFFERENT caliber than what she used to kill TA thinking that when the police go to run ballistics on the casing found at the scene (which JA purposely left at the crime scene for this reason) they will find that it is a 25mm caliber bullet/gun that they are looking for & w/ a 9mm JA thought that when the time came that all would be suspicioning her involvement in TA's death and when the cops go to search if she has a firearm they will find that she DOES have ONE gun of a different caliber than what they were looking for. I think JA underestimated the ability of LE and thought that this would be helpful in throwing them off the scent of her involvement. She could simply say to the LE that to look at her gun ownership records and they will see that she never owned a 25mm gun, but instead a completely different caliber gun & the records would show it was the only registered gun that she has ever owned. She could then argue to LE that if it were her that killed TA the bullet casing that would be found at the scene would match her gun (ae: a 9mm).
Everything that we know about JA is that she meticulously calculated little ways (both right before 6/4/08 & the days immediately following after) that could make herself appear innocent and/or having no involvement in TA's death. She went as far as to steal the 25mm from the same house that she resided in and did her best to make it look as if it was stolen from anyone other than her so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that she decently sought out one type caliber gun (that in secretly stealing would make it so that there were no records to her owning/having such a gun) & made sure to use it during the commission of TA's murder in order to leave some kind of evidence such as the casing purposely at the scene in order to try and throw the blame off of her being the killer. And then right after using the 25mm gun and planting her casing evidence, she disposed of it in a place where it can't be found atm and instead went and bought herself a different caliber gun. It seriously sounds like something that JA would do/did (along with all of the other similar deceptive tactics that she took). This also explains why she left the bullet casing (that was on TOP of blood) behind when it was laying on the bathroom tile in plain view/sight & drawing from the similar patterns that we see JA use in her deceptive tactics used both right before TA's murder and immediately thereafter it would make the most sense for WHY she went out & bought a gun. What do ya'll think about this?

the only thing would be that LE would be able to see that she purchased the gun after TA was killed.....

 

[Linda7NJ]

they seem to have development a pattern of choosing inappropriate expert witnesses. :floorlaugh:

That's what happens when your scraping the bottom of the penny kettle


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[leebee52]

Hey peeps....Still waiting for an Einstein to school me on how to post a pic from my personal pics. Don't have a problem doing online images but too dense to do it from my PC.

 

[kaydono]

Hey all I've been extremely busy the past couple days & haven't been able to log into WS/post/view forums & just wanted to add a thought/theory....



I've been thinking about JA and that stinking 9mm that she bought after her murderous rampage & I'm not sure if anyone has brought this thought up but I think that JA bought the 9mm as a continuation of her premeditation & cover up post-killing (& NOT for the reason that she states of course nor for the reason that some have speculated on here that she was going to go on a serial killer style murdering spree cross country w/ the gun). What I mean is that we all know how sneaky, cold, calculating, & weasely that JA is & she probably thought it a good idea to go out and get herself a gun of a DIFFERENT caliber than what she used to kill TA thinking that when the police go to run ballistics on the casing found at the scene (which JA purposely left at the crime scene for this reason) they will find that it is a 25mm caliber bullet/gun that they are looking for & w/ a 9mm JA thought that when the time came that all would be suspicioning her involvement in TA's death and when the cops go to search if she has a firearm they will find that she DOES have ONE gun of a different caliber than what they were looking for. I think JA underestimated the ability of LE and thought that this would be helpful in throwing them off the scent of her involvement. She could simply say to the LE that to look at her gun ownership records and they will see that she never owned a 25mm gun, but instead a completely different caliber gun & the records would show it was the only registered gun that she has ever owned. She could then argue to LE that if it were her that killed TA the bullet casing that would be found at the scene would match her gun (ae: a 9mm).
Everything that we know about JA is that she meticulously calculated little ways (both right before 6/4/08 & the days immediately following after) that could make herself appear innocent and/or having no involvement in TA's death. She went as far as to steal the 25mm from the same house that she resided in and did her best to make it look as if it was stolen from anyone other than her so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that she decently sought out one type caliber gun (that in secretly stealing would make it so that there were no records to her owning/having such a gun) & made sure to use it during the commission of TA's murder in order to leave some kind of evidence such as the casing purposely at the scene in order to try and throw the blame off of her being the killer. And then right after using the 25mm gun and planting her casing evidence, she disposed of it in a place where it can't be found atm and instead went and bought herself a different caliber gun. It seriously sounds like something that JA would do/did (along with all of the other similar deceptive tactics that she took). This also explains why she left the bullet casing (that was on TOP of blood) behind when it was laying on the bathroom tile in plain view/sight & drawing from the similar patterns that we see JA use in her deceptive tactics used both right before TA's murder and immediately thereafter it would make the most sense for WHY she went out & bought a gun. What do ya'll think about this?

Very thorough and articulate. It makes perfect sense to me,

 

[Neighbour2013]

During Flores interrogation of her, there are a couple of remarks by Jodi that I thought were interesting.

Video 12
27:49
DF: That’s the first thing I was thinking about was, when she left here, she barely missed his roommates, or maybe his roommates came home and just didn’t hear her.
28:07
JA: Did they hear anybody at all in the house?

If Travis was already dead they wouldn't have heard him and if she was already gone....then why ask if they heard "anybody"? Just fishing for info, or was she still in the house?


Video 13
02:24
DF: What was the purpose of the visit, the same as before?
(Silence)
02:40
JA: I’m just starting to remember. I’m just trying to remember that week, that whole week, and the week prior had a lot to do with it… the weekend or Friday night prior, I think.

I wonder what happened that Friday night. Travis texted her May 26, the gun was stolen May 28 and Friday was May 30. LaViolette said that their text messages between May 30 and June 2 were normal so it had to have occurred during their many phone calls.

Maybe....after his hateful text she was furious, stole the gun with thoughts of doing him harm and as the days went by and she talked to him, it started to get through to her that he was truly serious about ending their relationship and those thoughts went from furious to intense hatred. Once she reached that state, he ceased to matter to her and she could calmly plan his demise, butcher him and not blink doing it.

 

[megmono]

good morning yall! hope every one enjoyed the long weekend without this drama! but im geared up and ready to go!

 

[outofstatelawyer]

I respectfully suggest that we refrain from discussions about funding public schools, Joe Arpaio, and other political issues. Not all of us share the same opinions on political matters, and bringing this stuff up just seems very off topic and has the potential to derail the discussion this section of the board is intended for: the trial of Jodi Arias. YMMV.