09-17-2011 Topaz Mountain Search Yields Charred Wood and Decomp

  • #441
I've wondered that, over time. She almost looks like she has a medical condition - alopecia, or something - in some of the pictures. So, you never saw anything like that with her? I wonder if he Photoshopped them.

The thing is that EVERYONE takes bad pictures, like the ones he has on that site. The thing is that most people just drag them to the recycle bin on their computer, so that no one ever sees them. He seems to have deliberately chosen them.

I wondered about her thyroid. (Thyroid issues run in my family as does Alopecia actually.)
I have no idea of the time line on the pictures. I don't know how soon some of them were after the kids were born.
I have no idea how far apart they are or if the ones with thin hair were taken around the same time.
There is just a few things that go along with thyroid that could apply to Susan... and when I saw the hair too it made me wonder.

Hypothyroidism

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001393/

Hyperthyroidism

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001396/
 
  • #442
I don't claim to know everything about Susan, or her secrets, but she was my friend.

<<hugs>> HotLavaJavas.

This is one of the most genuine, honest, and moving posts I think I've ever read.
 
  • #443
Clicking the "Thanks" button won't come close. Thank you for that post.

I am a lawyer, and my wife is a divorce lawyer (a "matrimonial lawyer") and a former chief court attorney for a matrimonial judge in a difficult town. I've seen and heard a lot, and so has she. She's had husbands chase her out of the courthouse, and had to get restraining orders to protect herself from some of them. There are a lot of jerks out there, and no one really knows where their tipping point is. Even them.

So well said -- if you have to keep a secret journal, you need to change your life so you no longer have to keep a secret journal. Just get out. Don't wait. Do it now. There are places you can turn to for help. It's not hard to find them. Especially if there are children involved, but regardless, take care of yourself. While you can.



In your position you have seen the extremes and you also understand that for some women leaving is difficult. No matter if it is for economic, emotional or societal/familial reasons, some women just don't leave. Just as the abuser may not know their tipping point; there are abused women who don't know theirs. While there may not be the occurence of Stockholm Syndrome; they are just not able to leave.

Even in the shelter situation, some are still not able to leave. One of the saddest moments for me was to see an infant with bruises of handprints, adult size, covering her torso and back. The mother, after a day in the shelter wanted to go back; she did so but without the baby because we called the authorities.

It is good that there are lawyers like you and your wife who have concern for abused women and work in the system. Keep up your good work.
 
  • #444
I am not posting about you or anyone in particular, but against a trend of late by people claiming to have "secret knowledge" of dark sides of Susan. Indeed, this is a tactic of abusers, to trash the memories of victims (and their reputations while they are alive).

Classic abuser sign, trash the victim. Susan was a much better person than her abuser and she suffered for that.

Do you work in the shelter/dv advocacy system?
 
  • #445
I'm not seeing any new news tweets this morning. I'll keep checking through the day.
 
  • #446
Here's an MSM article from Friday on that:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/129971923.html

Yep, I posted the other article when I noticed that it was dated September 20, 2011. I got excited that this was a different find until I took the time to read it all the way through and saw that it was the same remains found Friday. Sorry, I'm just so want for Susan to be found.
 
  • #447
In your position you have seen the extremes and you also understand that for some women leaving is difficult. No matter if it is for economic, emotional or societal/familial reasons, some women just don't leave. Just as the abuser may not know their tipping point; there are abused women who don't know theirs. While there may not be the occurence of Stockholm Syndrome; they are just not able to leave.

Even in the shelter situation, some are still not able to leave. One of the saddest moments for me was to see an infant with bruises of handprints, adult size, covering her torso and back. The mother, after a day in the shelter wanted to go back; she did so but without the baby because we called the authorities.

It is good that there are lawyers like you and your wife who have concern for abused women and work in the system. Keep up your good work.


Thanks. I would add to your reasons why many women do not leave, religion. And while I have zero interest in discussing the merits of that (or anything else about religion) on a forum, it is a reality that it is a significant reason why some women do not leave.

Very sad about the baby with the handprints. Good that you were there.
 
  • #448
natecarlisle Nate Carlisle
Don't expect many #SusanPowell search updates until evening. Search now is waaaay out in Juab Co. 30 min drive for cell service. #findSUSAN

http://twitter.com/#!/natecarlisle
 
  • #449
To assume that Susan took the wrong actions is monday morning quarter-backing. Every situation is different; it appears that she did what she was able to do, given the circumstances. Sadly, there was an 'element' of deceit that was at play.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda doesn't help her now; neither does judgemental thought.

Which is why, if you would re-read my post before jumping to judgment about it, you would see I specifically agreed with this - she did what she was able to do. Sadly, it was not enough to protect her. She had more than one creep arrayed against her, and a lifetime of low self-worth. That is not monday morning quarterbacking. That is expressing sadness at the tragedy of it.

What gives additional dignity to her death is that other young, trusting women who are deceivable - and the loving and trusting are easier "marks" for these people - is that someone can learn from it. Although not all situations are preventable, we can begin to teach young people how to spot deceit, how not to excuse it, how not to "forgive it" over and over again. They get too many messages about "working on things," and "for the children" and on and on. They need to get some counter-messages about how it's okay to leave to protect yourself, and that if your diary isn't safe, you aren't either.

A good book for many to read is _Stop Walking on Eggshells_, which details how unpredictably violent troubled people can be. Many times, capable young people like Susan think they are "capable" of managing their troubled spouse. They are culturally encouraged in this by all sorts of influences - family, basic expectations for being a woman, and look how much reality TV today encourages people to stay in relationships with those who are given to violent outbursts! We need to teach kids how to spot unhealthy relationships, whether they are unhealthy in a "stealth," silent way, or unhealthy in a loud and chaotic way - because both can turn violent.
 
  • #450
natecarlisle Nate Carlisle

Command post for #SusanPowell search has moved back to Topaz Mountain, WVCPD says. #findSUSAN
10 minutes ago
 
  • #451
natecarlisle Nate Carlisle

Command post for #SusanPowell search has moved back to Topaz Mountain, WVCPD says. #findSUSAN
10 minutes ago
Now that's interesting. Suppose they would have had time to have gotten some preliminary results back from the charred pieces already?

Susan, where are you?
 
  • #452
natecarlisle Nate Carlisle

Command post for #SusanPowell search has moved back to Topaz Mountain, WVCPD says. #findSUSAN
10 minutes ago

Maybe they were all having the same cell phone/internet issues.
 
  • #453
  • #454
Which is why, if you would re-read my post before jumping to judgment about it, you would see I specifically agreed with this - she did what she was able to do. Sadly, it was not enough to protect her. She had more than one creep arrayed against her, and a lifetime of low self-worth. That is not monday morning quarterbacking. That is expressing sadness at the tragedy of it.

What gives additional dignity to her death is that other young, trusting women who are deceivable - and the loving and trusting are easier "marks" for these people - is that someone can learn from it. Although not all situations are preventable, we can begin to teach young people how to spot deceit, how not to excuse it, how not to "forgive it" over and over again. They get too many messages about "working on things," and "for the children" and on and on. They need to get some counter-messages about how it's okay to leave to protect yourself, and that if your diary isn't safe, you aren't either.

A good book for many to read is _Stop Walking on Eggshells_, which details how unpredictably violent troubled people can be. Many times, capable young people like Susan think they are "capable" of managing their troubled spouse. They are culturally encouraged in this by all sorts of influences - family, basic expectations for being a woman, and look how much reality TV today encourages people to stay in relationships with those who are given to violent outbursts! We need to teach kids how to spot unhealthy relationships, whether they are unhealthy in a "stealth," silent way, or unhealthy in a loud and chaotic way - because both can turn violent.


Those were pretty much exactly my thoughts on reading the (well-meaning but I think wrong) criticism of your post. There are at least two things this kind of forum can contribute to the world -- helping in analyzing the facts and trying to solve existing crimes, and learning and educating others in order to help prevent new crimes. As the father of a young girl, I think a lot about how to protect her. And that includes teaching her how to select and interact with friends and others. What to look for, what to avoid, when to make a change, when to go to someone about something, etc. Every one of these cases can teach us something. We would be foolish -- and imo disrespectful of victims like Susan -- if we didn't at least try to learn from these tragedies.

It also helps to understand, and empathize with, the victims in their situations, knowing the challenges they faced.

Well. Hoping for more news from the search....
 
  • #455
My post was not directed at you or any other poster for that matter. just a statement of the obvious. Empathy is a powerful emotion. You are right that Susan did the best with what she had to work with; she just didn't get out quickly enouhg.

Which is why, if you would re-read my post before jumping to judgment about it, you would see I specifically agreed with this - she did what she was able to do. Sadly, it was not enough to protect her. She had more than one creep arrayed against her, and a lifetime of low self-worth. That is not monday morning quarterbacking. That is expressing sadness at the tragedy of it.

What gives additional dignity to her death is that other young, trusting women who are deceivable - and the loving and trusting are easier "marks" for these people - is that someone can learn from it. Although not all situations are preventable, we can begin to teach young people how to spot deceit, how not to excuse it, how not to "forgive it" over and over again. They get too many messages about "working on things," and "for the children" and on and on. They need to get some counter-messages about how it's okay to leave to protect yourself, and that if your diary isn't safe, you aren't either.

A good book for many to read is _Stop Walking on Eggshells_, which details how unpredictably violent troubled people can be. Many times, capable young people like Susan think they are "capable" of managing their troubled spouse. They are culturally encouraged in this by all sorts of influences - family, basic expectations for being a woman, and look how much reality TV today encourages people to stay in relationships with those who are given to violent outbursts! We need to teach kids how to spot unhealthy relationships, whether they are unhealthy in a "stealth," silent way, or unhealthy in a loud and chaotic way - because both can turn violent.
 
  • #456
natecarlisle Nate Carlisle
Searchers deploying northwest and southeast of command post near Topaz Mountain today. #findSUSAN

natecarlisle Nate Carlisle
Oops. That should have been northeast and southwest. Sorry. #findSUSAN
 
  • #457
Are these the same remains that were said to be found in Federal Way, WA? Or more?

I think the same... I'm waiting for more info as well. I know the area quite well, and it's interesting how close it is to I-5.
 
  • #458
This is such a sad case. I hope her family can find some closure, but I doubt that they will.
 
  • #459
The press has been very quiet today...makes me feel like something is building.
 
  • #460

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