09-17-2011 Topaz Mountain Search Yields Charred Wood and Decomp

  • #481
I hadn't seen that part of the interview. josh is one of those people that if he said the sky was blue on a cloudless day people would still look up.

Why did he try to send the police emails 'through his dad'? Is he not allowed to touch the computer? Has he lost the ability to know how to send an email?

IMO, it is because Josh isn't capable of doing anything himself. He couldn't hold a stable job and had multiple failed business ventures. I wasn't at all surprised when he left Utah to live with dad.

I do think, however, it is telling that Steve has 3 adult children living with him.
 
  • #482
Well just in case they want to correspond more I don't want them to think their emails to me will be posted online, but I can tell you what made me feel they might do something with the info. I got two separate responses. When I got the first one, I thought to myself that this is probably the response anyone would get if they sent in a tip. Then I got another email about an hour later. The second one was from Lt. Merritt himself who is leading the search down there. I was essentially thanked for the information. After reading that email, I got excited that they might follow up on the information, but he did not specifically say that he would. So I have been watching closely to see if Dugway Geodes comes up in the news as a search area, and there it is!

The tip I sent was mainly just a link to this post and I also suggested they read the thread:

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I think it is a good lead! I hope they find it, and also use a metal detector because if they found blood in the home or suspected blood I'm guessing that JP hit her on the head. If she was her head full of blood I don't see JP in his state of mind remembering to remove her earrings. Hopefully they will ascertain if they were in the home, if not then she was wearing them and it might be with the body.
 
  • #483
Trying to activate two cell phones? I was very memorable that night?

Why was he trying to activate two cell phones? Did he buy some sort of disposable cell phone or calling cards from a convenience store?
How about this scenario: JP takes his cell phone and Susan's, he places one in one location, call it will stand there, answers it, places it down, drives some distance away, places his phone down with the call still open, then he jets off in his car in a total opposite direction to bury Susan.
 
  • #484
Good job, HS :)

Did you see this link on Twitter regarding what Josh claims he did with the rental car? Here.

It's about as believable as his camping story.

MO.

Thanks. Interesting interview I had not seen that one before. With 1:20 left in the interview, I think what he said is interesting, regarding how he has made every effort to contact authorities and that he has sent in leads via email. He then stops himself (probably realizing this lie could get exposed) and says "generally through my dad." Why I find it interesting is it is just further confirmation of the profiles I have put together. According to former FBI profiler Rober Ressler (considered the best in the business) disorganized offenders (which JP profiles as) do not follow the case in the news or try to inject themselves into the investigation, but organized offenders do. I have Steven Powell profiled as an organized offender, so it makes sense that he is the one who actually sends in emails.

By the way, Ressler says disorganized offenders do not hide the body, but organized ones do.

I just got the book off the shelf. This is from his book Whoever Fights Monsters:

p.130
"The major attribute of the organized offender is his planning of the crime. Organized crimes are premeditated, not spur of the moment. The planning derives from the offender's fantasies, which, as I've shown in earlier chapters, have usually been growing in strength for years before he erupts into overt antisocial behavior."

p.131
"Therefore, the major attribute of the organized killer is planning, which in this sense of the word means that the killer's logic is displayed in every aspect of the crime that is capable of being planned. The disorganized offender's actions are usually devoid of normal logic (note from me - such as going camping at midnight in the freezing weather with your kids, etc.); until he is caught and tells us his version of the crimes, chances are that no one can follow the twisted reasoning he uses to pick his victims or to commit his crimes."

Here is partly why I think Steven Powell is involved:
p. 134
"The disorganized killer may pick up a steak knife in the victim's home, plunge it into her chest, and leave it sticking there. Such a disorganized mind does not care about fingerprints or other evidence. If police find a body rather readily, that is a clue that the crime has been done by a disorganized offender. Organized ones transport the bodies from the place that the victims were killed, and then hide the bodies, sometimes quite well."

Steven Powell's locked closet was full of such:
p.135
"The organized offender often takes personal items belonging to his victims as trophies... These trophies are taken for incorporation in the offender's post-crime fantasies and as acknowledgement of his accomplishments. Just as the hunter looks at the head of the bear mounted on the wall and takes satisfaction in having killed it, so the organized murderer looks at a necklace hanging in his closet and keeps alive the excitement of his crime. Many take photographs of their crimes for the same purpose."

p.136
"The disorganized offender doesn't take trophies; rather, in his confused mental state, he may remove a body part, a lock of hair, an article of clothing, and take it with him as a souvenir whose value can not be discerned."

"In stages three (disposal of body) and four (post-crime behavior), the organized offender takes steps to hide the bodies of his victims, or otherwise attempts to conceal their identity, and then keeps track of the investigation. He does so in order to elongate the time period in which his fantasy seems to be in control of events."

There are more quotes from the book I could add - if this is interesting I'll post more.
 
  • #485
Thanks. Interesting interview I had not seen that one before. With 1:20 left in the interview, I think what he said is interesting, regarding how he has made every effort to contact authorities and that he has sent in leads via email. He then stops himself (probably realizing this lie could get exposed) and says "generally through my dad." Why I find it interesting is it is just further confirmation of the profiles I have put together. According to former FBI profiler Rober Ressler (considered the best in the business) disorganized offenders (which JP profiles as) do not follow the case in the news or try to inject themselves into the investigation, but organized offenders do. I have Steven Powell profiled as an organized offender, so it makes sense that he is the one who actually sends in emails.

By the way, Ressler says disorganized offenders do not hide the body, but organized ones do.

I just got the book off the shelf. This is from his book Whoever Fights Monsters:

p.130
"The major attribute of the organized offender is his planning of the crime. Organized crimes are premeditated, not spur of the moment. The planning derives from the offender's fantasies, which, as I've shown in earlier chapters, have usually been growing in strength for years before he erupts into overt antisocial behavior."

p.131
"Therefore, the major attribute of the organized killer is planning, which in this sense of the word means that the killer's logic is displayed in every aspect of the crime that is capable of being planned. The disorganized offender's actions are usually devoid of normal logic (note from me - such as going camping at midnight in the freezing weather with your kids, etc.); until he is caught and tells us his version of the crimes, chances are that no one can follow the twisted reasoning he uses to pick his victims or to commit his crimes."

Here is partly why I think Steven Powell is involved:
p. 134
"The disorganized killer may pick up a steak knife in the victim's home, plunge it into her chest, and leave it sticking there. Such a disorganized mind does not care about fingerprints or other evidence. If police find a body rather readily, that is a clue that the crime has been done by a disorganized offender. Organized ones transport the bodies from the place that the victims were killed, and then hide the bodies, sometimes quite well."

Steven Powell's locked closet was full of such:
p.135
"The organized offender often takes personal items belonging to his victims as trophies... These trophies are taken for incorporation in the offender's post-crime fantasies and as acknowledgement of his accomplishments. Just as the hunter looks at the head of the bear mounted on the wall and takes satisfaction in having killed it, so the organized murderer looks at a necklace hanging in his closet and keeps alive the excitement of his crime. Many take photographs of their crimes for the same purpose."

p.136
"The disorganized offender doesn't take trophies; rather, in his confused mental state, he may remove a body part, a lock of hair, an article of clothing, and take it with him as a souvenir whose value can not be discerned."

"In stages three (disposal of body) and four (post-crime behavior), the organized offender takes steps to hide the bodies of his victims, or otherwise attempts to conceal their identity, and then keeps track of the investigation. He does so in order to elongate the time period in which his fantasy seems to be in control of events."

There are more quotes from the book I could add - if this is interesting I'll post more.

Very interesting indeed. I do think you're right about SP being organized. I imagine JP panicked and called in daddy's help. I imagine SP was either there, or giving directions over the phone/some other electronic medium.
 
  • #486
I think that it is very interesting when someone doesn't cooperate with the police they say it is because a lawyer tells them not to do so. If someone is innocent the first thing they do is allow LE to rule them out regardless of what a lawyer will tell them, so they can be removed from the list of suspects and allow LE to move on.

If Josh's main concern were truly for his children and his wife IMO he would allow LE to ask him anything and answer truthfully, with his attorneys present if he so wishes. It's been almost two years, he's way overdue.

As far as I know, there would be no reason for JP not to talk to LE with his attorney present. AFAIK, he has not done that.
 
  • #487
Pardon my french, but W.T.H????

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-j...test-search-for-susan-20110921,0,202117.story

~snipped~

"I did a lot of driving through the Salt Lake County, the police know that. I tried to activate at least two cell phones, I was looking for Susan," he explains.


Why the additional information about trying to activate 2 cell phones?

then there's this.....

After asked if he did his own search be himelf he replies: "I did. I drove through the entire Salt Lake County, the West Valley Police know that. There are convenience store owners that can, no doubt, remember be because I was very memorable, trying to activate cell phones. I was very much alon and trying to understand what had just happened.



This tidbit makes me wonder if he purchased 'bat phones' that cannot be traced (supposedly) like Terri Horman did when Kyron disappeared.

Josh just may have implicated himself by providing this unnecessary information about activating cell phones. There is a difference in 'activating' as opposed to finding a signal. And if he stopped at these convenience stores as he claims and was that frantic about activating cell phones, why didn't he just ask to use the phone,,,,,use a pay phone,,,,,,ask a stranger or a clerk to use their phone? (Now that I think about it the last scenario might be a possibility so that his calls weren't traced.)

A lady outside a grocer asked to use my cell phone to call a ride a few years back and I allowed it even tho I am a germ a phobe, so it does happen.

Moo and all that!

wm
 
  • #488
Very interesting indeed. I do think you're right about SP being organized. I imagine JP panicked and called in daddy's help. I imagine SP was either there, or giving directions over the phone/some other electronic medium.

IMO he would not have wanted to be placed at the scene, so I don't think he was there.

Some other interesting info on Steven Powell:

Susan Powell said her father-in-law belittled her and pressured his son not to attend Mormon church services, said Josh Powell’s sister, Jennifer Graves, in a Friday interview. In the weeks leading up to Susan’s disappearance, Josh and his father spent hours on the phone several times a week, Graves said, and the couple’s strained relationship grew worse.

Graves and her husband, Kirk, say Steve Powell knows what happened to his daughter-in-law and encouraged his son to repeat abusive behavior he once displayed to his own wife, Terrica. Steve Powell, in a flurry of website postings this week, has pointed back at his daughter as a liar.

http://www.sltrib.com/csp/cms/sites/sltrib/pages/printerfriendly.csp?id=50818007
 
  • #489
Pardon my french, but W.T.H????

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-j...test-search-for-susan-20110921,0,202117.story

~snipped~

"I did a lot of driving through the Salt Lake County, the police know that. I tried to activate at least two cell phones, I was looking for Susan," he explains.


Why the additional information about trying to activate 2 cell phones?

then there's this.....

After asked if he did his own search be himelf he replies: "I did. I drove through the entire Salt Lake County, the West Valley Police know that. There are convenience store owners that can, no doubt, remember be because I was very memorable, trying to activate cell phones. I was very much alon and trying to understand what had just happened.



This tidbit makes me wonder if he purchased 'bat phones' that cannot be traced (supposedly) like Terri Horman did when Kyron disappeared.

Josh just may have implicated himself by providing this unnecessary information about activating cell phones. There is a difference in 'activating' as opposed to finding a signal. And if he stopped at these convenience stores as he claims and was that frantic about activating cell phones, why didn't he just ask to use the phone,,,,,use a pay phone,,,,,,ask a stranger or a clerk to use their phone? (Now that I think about it the last scenario might be a possibility so that his calls weren't traced.)

A lady outside a grocer asked to use my cell phone to call a ride a few years back and I allowed it even tho I am a germ a phobe, so it does happen.

Moo and all that!

wm

I don't know the details, but this was during the time he had the rental car. The police took his van as part of their search warrant, it would make sense they took his phone, too.

The two cell phone thing is odd. A total guess would be he had used up all the time on his first one and needed to buy more minutes, and so he is saying that convenience stores he went to would be able to say he was there doing so.
 
  • #490
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  • #492
Thanks. Interesting interview I had not seen that one before. With 1:20 left in the interview, I think what he said is interesting, regarding how he has made every effort to contact authorities and that he has sent in leads via email. He then stops himself (probably realizing this lie could get exposed) and says "generally through my dad." Why I find it interesting is it is just further confirmation of the profiles I have put together. According to former FBI profiler Rober Ressler (considered the best in the business) disorganized offenders (which JP profiles as) do not follow the case in the news or try to inject themselves into the investigation, but organized offenders do. I have Steven Powell profiled as an organized offender, so it makes sense that he is the one who actually sends in emails.

By the way, Ressler says disorganized offenders do not hide the body, but organized ones do.

I just got the book off the shelf. This is from his book Whoever Fights Monsters:

p.130
"The major attribute of the organized offender is his planning of the crime. Organized crimes are premeditated, not spur of the moment. The planning derives from the offender's fantasies, which, as I've shown in earlier chapters, have usually been growing in strength for years before he erupts into overt antisocial behavior."

p.131
"Therefore, the major attribute of the organized killer is planning, which in this sense of the word means that the killer's logic is displayed in every aspect of the crime that is capable of being planned. The disorganized offender's actions are usually devoid of normal logic (note from me - such as going camping at midnight in the freezing weather with your kids, etc.); until he is caught and tells us his version of the crimes, chances are that no one can follow the twisted reasoning he uses to pick his victims or to commit his crimes."

Here is partly why I think Steven Powell is involved:
p. 134
"The disorganized killer may pick up a steak knife in the victim's home, plunge it into her chest, and leave it sticking there. Such a disorganized mind does not care about fingerprints or other evidence. If police find a body rather readily, that is a clue that the crime has been done by a disorganized offender. Organized ones transport the bodies from the place that the victims were killed, and then hide the bodies, sometimes quite well."

Steven Powell's locked closet was full of such:
p.135
"The organized offender often takes personal items belonging to his victims as trophies... These trophies are taken for incorporation in the offender's post-crime fantasies and as acknowledgement of his accomplishments. Just as the hunter looks at the head of the bear mounted on the wall and takes satisfaction in having killed it, so the organized murderer looks at a necklace hanging in his closet and keeps alive the excitement of his crime. Many take photographs of their crimes for the same purpose."

p.136
"The disorganized offender doesn't take trophies; rather, in his confused mental state, he may remove a body part, a lock of hair, an article of clothing, and take it with him as a souvenir whose value can not be discerned."

"In stages three (disposal of body) and four (post-crime behavior), the organized offender takes steps to hide the bodies of his victims, or otherwise attempts to conceal their identity, and then keeps track of the investigation. He does so in order to elongate the time period in which his fantasy seems to be in control of events."

There are more quotes from the book I could add - if this is interesting I'll post more.

BBM Could they then wear that article of clothing; say a blue knit beanie w/a lighter blue stripe? [Think blue beanie interview] I still think, the way he was touching that beanie during the interview, it has something to do w/Susan being missing. Either she made it for him or it was hers and he put it on; some sick 'connection' thing, remorse.
 
  • #493
I don't know the details, but this was during the time he had the rental car. The police took his van as part of their search warrant, it would make sense they took his phone, too.

The two cell phone thing is odd. A total guess would be he had used up all the time on his first one and needed to buy more minutes, and so he is saying that convenience stores he went to would be able to say he was there doing so.

When you are in West Valley City, you are in 801 area code and you are on the EAST side of the Oquirrh Mts; when you are in Tooele you are in 435 area code and on the WEST side of the Oquirrh Mts. Perhaps he forgot this when he bought a phone in Tooele and thought he had better call daddy from an 801 area code. In a convenience store or Dollar General store these phones will cost 10 bucks for the cheapest one; he did not have to spend big bucks on these.

BTW, where they are searching now is WEST of the Oquirrhs.

http://www.allareacodes.com/utah_area_codes.htm



I wonder where the phones are now?
 
  • #494
Good job, HS :)

Did you see this link on Twitter regarding what Josh claims he did with the rental car? Here.

It's about as believable as his camping story.

MO.
Thanks for that link...

I have a question though.. Maybe I'm dumb or something, but what makes activating cell phones so hard??

After being asked if he did his own search by himself, he replies: "I did. I drove through the entire Salt Lake County, the West Valley Police know that. There are convenience store owners that can, no doubt, remember be because I was very memorable, trying to activate cell phones. I was very much alone and trying to understand what had just happened."

What would be so "memorable" about someone trying to activate a cell phone? Is he that technologically backwards that he can't even get a cell phone to work???? :waitasec:
 
  • #495
Thanks for that link...

I have a question though.. Maybe I'm dumb or something, but what makes activating cell phones so hard??



What would be so "memorable" about someone trying to activate a cell phone? Is he that technologically backwards that he can't even get a cell phone to work???? :waitasec:

He had to buy a package of hand sanitizer wipes to disinfect the phones; that adds at least 3 or 4 steps to the process. ;)
 
  • #496
He had to buy a package of hand sanitizer wipes to disinfect the phones; that adds at least 3 or 4 steps to the process. ;)

Having read that he did his own searching through Salt Lake county and spent some memorable moments in a convenience store, I'm now convinced of his innocence. This sounds just like the Casey Anthony method for finding lost family members, and everyone knows she's innocent. :innocent:
 
  • #497
Hi, I just wanted to say THANKS to all of you here for the GREAT UPDATES on the search for Susan !

I have not followed this case like many of you have, but I do remember when she went missing. I have been reading here since the search at the house and the Topaz Mountain search for updates. The reporting, links, maps, etc. has been very helpful !

:praying: that Susan is found SOON !

And Prayers for Mr. and Mrs. Cox, Susan's young boys and Susan's friends and family.
 
  • #498
Trying to activate two cell phones? I was very memorable that night? snip

Yeah, people often get reddened chapped and burned hands activating cell phones. (NOT)
 
  • #499
I do have to wonder why he chose Salt Lake County to drive around looking for her in? And how did he think he could drive around and find her? It wasn't like her car was missing too and he was looking for the car. Very odd.

(As flirtatious as she was and running off with another man like she did you would think she would be occupied inside and not out where he could 'find' her.) LOL he just put the lie to his own explanation for her disappearance.
 
  • #500
Trying to activate two cell phones? I was very memorable that night?

Why was he trying to activate two cell phones? Did he buy some sort of disposable cell phone or calling cards from a convenience store?

I don't know why two, but IIRC, he did buy a disposable phone.
 

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