100 questions from the jury: Arias answering on her 17th day on the stand #78

[Nali87]

It won't make any difference to me. She lied about that gas can. And because she lied about the gas can, this purchase is logically for 5 gallons of gas. I think that's a very reasonable inference.

What are the chances, as meticulous as Walmart is, that this was the one transaction where a customer got no receipt with a return and was given cash?

PLUS what are the odds that 19.65 : 3.859 = 5 gallons!? and it wasn't spent on gas!?? When we KNOW she bought a 5 gallon gas can at walmart.

 

[JSR]

Didn't she tell the shrink she saw Travis on the computer looking at kiddie ?

I can't wait !!!

Matt, Matt.... Matt gave a damning statement to LE !


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She did. And today when Juan was about to ask her about it I could have swore I saw depo transcripts he was about to bust out with. And Nurmi quickly objected. And it appears he won at the sidebar. Hopefully though Juan can call the psychologist on the stand and go over that testimony. I want the pedo stuff proven to be a lie very badly. I want TA's name cleared!

 

[Ransom]

From our thread here:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - *graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**

N: How did those injuries occur?
A: I believe it was my index fingers and I was putting away margarita glasses at work
M: Objection, lack of foundation
J: Sustained
N: When were you putting away these margarita glasses?
A: I believe, if I remember correctly it was June 1st, that's what the date stamp says
M: And where were you working?
A: Casa Ramos
N: And how did you injure yourself putting away margarita glasses at Casa Ramos?
A: I was just moving to fast and I was being, I was a little bit clumsy, not intentionally, but I just, um, there's a metal shelf beneath the bar and that's where they all sit and cool off because after they come out of the dishwasher, they're really hot and um, so they have to cool off before we can put margaritas in them, or they'll crack. So I was rotating the cool ones from the back out and putting the hot ones in the back and as I was reaching with my hand, I hit some of the metal and I think it peeled back some of the skin and it was a wound.
N: Did you photograph those injuries
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I had to refresh my memory about that finger cut.

 

[Isabelle]

Ok, everyone humor me and look for this... My all time new favorite trial moment. Mr Martinez says to her "you have two accounts at Washington Mutual?" OK go to that point on YouTube once up and go back about 5 seconds. Then watch.

Keep your eye on Ms Willmott and don't take your eye off her... please!

How do I find the you tube? Thanks

 

[LotusPawprint]

My thought on JA's 'suicide letters to grandma', which we'd never heard about until today.

First some quick notes... I don't think she's ever been suicidal, she'll never off herself unfortunately, sympathy ploy, I question the validity of the letters, so forth and so on.


In keeping with her trend of exploiting her family members as pawns, I think her grandma was next in line as it was only fair... she already sent Travis' grandmother irises after she murdered him. I wonder if the monster felt his grandmother received too much sympathy in the courtroom when Juan portrayed JA as cold-hearted by sending her flowers. "Well MY grandmother received MY suicide letters, so THERE. That's so much worse." I don't know, I don't understand the psychopath, thank god.

 

[Nali87]

At 4AM would Tesoro gas station be selling other things than gas?
If so, wouldn't the register/the store records show what was purchased at that time?

 

[meanddblj]

OK
6/6/08 was a Friday. Here is what I cut from their website:
Tesoro - 1699 W North Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84116 - Find Tesoro gas station locations in Salt Lake ... Hours are 6 am Monday through Saturday until 1 am.

This means to me she could not have bought anything other than gas at 3-4am

 

[Prime Mover]

As I have pointed out previously, the mysterious 3rd charge to Tosoro in SLC for $20 does NOT mean she purchased gasoline. Tosoro is like a 7-11 - where snacks, drinks, and convenient articles can also be purchased.
I assume JA will claim she bought food at Tosoro for around $20.

A few things. The purchase equals the cost to fill a 5 gallon tank. Why did she keep the other 2 receipts but get rid of this one? And lastly, and most important, WalMart has no record of her returning the gas can. When you combine all these facts, it's more likely than not that this was a gas purchase.
And Nurmi already had his kick at the can. Pun intended.

 

[Linda7NJ]

For all the kids I work with, there is a high need for control, no empathy, no conscience. It is a sliding scale - some have serious issues, some are more mild. The nonsense lying is constant. It is a sign that they feel the need to control - like their life literally depends on it. For days, I have seen her have the flat affect and the blank eyes. Sometimes, when she says "I don't remember," I almost see her as dissociating. It is odd. You think about how many times she has said "I don't know" about her own reasons and her own feelings. Often, with my kids, that is the way it is. They literally cannot connect to their feelings enough to know why they did what they did. So much of it is truly reactive. That does not mean there is not planning. They are highly susceptible to tremendous rage and anger at the feeling of abandonment or loss of control - even perceived abandonment or loss of control. They have a very fake exterior. I call it the "china doll." It is the smiley, happy, totally in control face you see when she does all the interviews. It is so skilled it is uncanny. It is totally a survival mechanism that they have learned very early on. Out of all kids, these kids are the most socially adept and good at being believed. Even when flat out lying.

But, today has been different. I have to say it has hit me very hard personally. I got into this field because I adopted a child who has had extreme attachment issues. Due to years of helping my child, I have come to see first hand how hard it is to raise a child with these traits of no empathy and no conscience. Like someone posted the other day, you go round and round with the lies - the endless nonsense lies - even the control on little things like the mayonnaise and mustard. The blank eyes and china doll face. You always hope you can make a difference but daily you face issues like JM has on the stand. But, then there is a point. If you can hang in there and be lovingly therapeutic and outlast the chaos, there is a point that you can get to with these children that the total look of all their bottled up shame comes up. They let down their guard for a few moments and you can see the darkness, anger, rage, and pain they carry. Almost a look of defeat.

I saw that look in Jodi today and, for me as a mom, it was the weirdest feeling. I honestly felt love. I recognized that look as the point on the children I work with when they give up the baloney and know they cannot continue - that the act and fake stuff isn't working. At that point, I know as a mom I can help. Of course, in our home and many others, it is little things like mayonnaise or mustard or lying about who hurt the family dog, not murder. But, at the end of the day, all of my families are working to help our kids get conscience and empathy so that things like this don't happen.

With my child, I wait for that look of defeat, of resignation, to know that my child is willing to trust me to help. So many times, I have had to wait patiently, through lots of stuff, to get to that point. But, the moment my child gives up the act, I know I can help. Often, those are some of our most tender moments. It takes so much for a child who has been significantly hurt (such that he or she forms no attachments) to trust with true emotion. When they will trust you, you have a chance to teach them another way. It is incredibly hard because that has been their sole survival.

Today, when I saw the deflated look, I knew JA knew the jury wasn't buying it. She can tell her way hasn't worked. The shame - not of killing TA - but of how defective and different she is from everyone else has hit her. She knows she is different, fundamentally flawed, but, if she can keep up the act and others will believe the act, she feels on top of the world. When that starts to crack, it is a tremendous fall. For a younger child, it is a point of help. For JA, it is a point of realizing it has not worked.

Sharing alot here. But, I work with families all over the world who have adopted kids with the same issues. I go to court with them to get help. I hold their hands when their child beats them up. I help them deal with the no conscience or empathy. I help protect them when their children physically harm them. I love those families because they do the hardest job in the world. JA has highlighted why we do what we do.

When I saw her deflated look, I knew she knew it was over. Today, instead of dark eyes and the smile, I could see the dark eyes and fallen countenance. I saw the "child" that was stunted many many years ago. While she tries to come across as intelligent and is very sophisticated at the act, she seems to me to be emotionally stunted at a 12 year old level. Today, in her countenance, I could see "behind the curtain" of the wizard of Oz. The grand act came crashing down.

I am not saying she will not try to regain the image. And, I am definitely not saying she will not lie. She has to lie to feel any control at all. She almost can't help it, even on stupid things.

But, today, I could see and so recognized the look. I have seen it many times before. The moment she realized it was done. That the act hadn't worked and that people could see through the fake exterior. For her, that was crushing.


Please don't bash here. It took a lot to share this. Please know that, if you have read the posts, I am huge on accountability for JA. I feel very strongly that she must be held accountable for what she did. When I describe the love and empathy I felt, it surprised even me. It is not a reflection of what I think needs to happen, but a reflection of all the young children I love that show so many traits of JA - lacking conscience, no empathy, rage, violence, non sense lying, no close attachments. Daily, I work with families that fight the good fight, with such small progress, never knowing if their patience and therapeutic parenting will make any dent in the symptoms or not. JA represents the worst outcome for us. Each day, we hope that we can help turn that around for the kids we love so much. When you talk about the mom laughing in the court room, I bet I could speak volumes as to what she has lived with. I don't know her and won't speculate, but if she is anything like the parents I work with, her emotions seem odd because parenting JA was nothing like parenting a typical child. While totally inappropriate in some of her actions, her mother heart forces her to be there until the end, even as her child testifies she is an abuser and they are not close. I bet that mom would have loved the experience of knowing her child really loved her, even once. Just a guess, but sometimes people laugh so they don't cry.

Thanks for letting me share. I hope this is understood the way it was intended. If not, let me clear it up before you jump on me - grin!

I said myself, just today, I had the strongest urge to hug her mother. I wanted to tell her that its not her fault, don't blame yourself, you've done all you can.


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[ZsaZsa]

The best part of today was when she said "If I am convicted it will be because of my own actions!" 26:50 into the video. Nurmi quickly walks away and says No further questions. HLN's woman lawyer said "If I were him I'd be needing a change of underwear at the moment" - that's what you get when you have a defendant who thinks she is SO much smarter than everyone else..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiyTqi9Wc2s

 

[casesensitive]

I just listened to Travis sing "Somewhere Over The Rainbow". It broke my heart.
I feel a sense of peace now. Which is good, because my blood pressure has been spiking to new highs watching and listening to this evil woman.

I will always come back to his music. She is "nothing" to me, and doesn't even deserve my anger. She doesn't deserve one thread of my emotions. I will try to remember that.

 

[Sulamith]

I didn't get to watch any of the trial today and I am crazy over that, but not nearly as freaked out over the fact that I recived a "coaching" today at work. During the coaching, the individual ACTUALLY told me they were trying to edify me! WTH? I wanted to scream Noooooooooooooooo.... I'm fairly certain this person is Catholic.

That is creepy/funny!! Lots of Mormons in my family. They use "edify" a lot. Also "magnify". If I hear JA say that I will LOL!! I Googled de-edify and got a hit on some home based business site. She probably picked up that word at PPL. (I think somebody else mentioned that last night.)

 

[concernedmother]

What does Matt know and how will it help Juan's case sice he has ho ability to call Matt for any testimony?

Maybe it's a psychological ploy to let Jodi know she's not ever going to be out of the woods considering the witness tampering and evidence forgery?

Why cant he call Matt? Cant he call him in on rebuttal?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I believe Juan is just giving us a taste of what his rebuttal is going to be like with these questions. The down side of the long break is she will have all that time to figure out fake purchases she made inside the Tesoro store that totals $19.??
I really don't think it will help her though, she's done. We know Juan still has the secret magazine messages and the TA shirt with the words on the back along with who knows what else.
I truly believe he's saving the best for the last and after hearing the juror questions I don't think he needs much.
She could of at least started fake shaking with Juan but no Jodi acts like a defiant lil snot. I think she's begging for the DP in her own special Jodi way.

I hope all those talking heads that critiqued Juan ... Are paying. very close attention and taking notes. They'll learn much!


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[Linda7NJ]

Why cant he call Matt? Cant he call him in on rebuttal?

Yes, he can.


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[Callisto]

As I have pointed out previously, the mysterious 3rd charge to Tosoro in SLC for $20 does NOT mean she purchased gasoline. Tosoro is like a 7-11 - where snacks, drinks, and convenient articles can also be purchased.
I assume JA will claim she bought food at Tosoro for around $20.

I agree in that I think JA will claim (if asked) that she bought $20 worth of junk food or IDK knock off cinnabons or something.. BUT I do find the math to be quite damning that the amount spent vs the price of gas that night would have been 5.09 gallons.. .09 gallons = 1.44 cups... Not very much extra, IMO! I honestly have no experience with gas cans, so I don't personally know much about extra wiggle room in filling.
Per some tractor website talking about 5 gallon gas cans, you can fit extra in them and one person reference leaving them out in the sun/warming them up makes them bow out to fit more. I am sure with the heat of Arizona in June, the car could have gotten hot enough to make the cans bow out? IDK, just some ideas. Another person mentioned that any slight misreadings at the pump when filling up could be due to calibration issues on the pump. Just things to think about!
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/oil-fuel-lubricants/242363-five-gallon-can-huh-2.html
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[looneymama]

Matt is married right? Can you imagine the trouble he'd be in with his wife if he were to take the risk of lying for an ex-girlfriend? I don't know these people but if my husband did that, he sure as hell wouldn't have a wife anymore.

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[ILikeToBendPages]

They might, and I know where you are going with this question. It's been my experience that the transactions for gasoline purchases & inside slushie & cheeto purchases appear on the bank statement in a different formats. I only had WAMU for a very short time so I can't be positive about WAMU but I do know those transactions always appear that way on both BB&T & BOA statements in different formats.

I want to compliment you on your choice of a signature. It's one I've had on all my email and posts for years, but didn't place it here. The only difference is Eric Burdon and the Animals.

 

[Hopeful One]

How on earth did I miss the suicide notes today??? Must have been when I tuned Nurmi out to stop my ears from bleeding. Anyone have a link?

 

[Ransom]

How do I find the you tube? Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiyTqi9Wc2s