100 questions from the jury: Arias answering on her 17th day on the stand #78

[BrownRice]

Matt is married right? Can you imagine the trouble he'd be in with his wife if he were to take the risk of lying for an ex-girlfriend? I don't know these people but if my husband did that, he sure as hell wouldn't have a wife anymore.

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If my husband was involved with this stuff, I'd make him go testify and clear his name and reputation! He would not be going down on a sinking ship for a former nutjob girlfriend.

 

[LizardQueen74]

:yes: If JM has the statement, all he had to do was ask the bank for a receipt for the transaction. I'm sure he has it and knows it was gas.

The bank will have the record of the charge - which is what you see on there. They will not have the itemized receipt. THAT has to come from the actual merchant. (I have worked for 2 major banks for about 20y...ugh? am I that old?? FTLOG :what

 

[ScubaTwinn]

Alan just used the word edfiy on Two and a Half Men! ha ha ha ha!

 

[JSR]

OK
6/6/08 was a Friday. Here is what I cut from their website:
Tesoro - 1699 W North Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84116 - Find Tesoro gas station locations in Salt Lake ... Hours are 6 am Monday through Saturday until 1 am.

This means to me she could not have bought anything other than gas at 3-4am

And that explains why she didn't pay with cash, because she couldn't. She had to pay with a card.

 

[Roy Rob]

In my opinion the defense lawyer (Wormy) should be disbarred for being unable to compose a question without leading/testifying, the judge should be taken off the bench for not controlling her courtroom and continually allowing leading questions, and Juan should be slapped around the face for falling into the psychopaths answer traps which divert attention away from his questions. I have served on three jury's in Canada where we are sworn to secrecy about our deliberations for life, but I would find JA guilty of 1st degree murder in a heartbeat. The lies are so evident, the evasion of questions so blatant, the lame excuse of self defense so weak that I am sickened watching it.

For God's sake, save the cold sore and execute it's host.

 

[Boytwnmom]

times. Hopefully JM will hit that.

Didn't she buy the gas BEFORE she talked to Travis. She was going to see Travis, whether she told him she was coming or asked him if she could come, didn't matter. She was going to Travis' house.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Nancy has a blow up of her herpes sore .... Huge ..


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[snowcat]

is anyone watching ng? What was the date that she mentioned that jm told jodi about mm never betraying her? January? What year?

2013 ))

 

[Shelby1]

For all the kids I work with, there is a high need for control, no empathy, no conscience. It is a sliding scale - some have serious issues, some are more mild. The nonsense lying is constant. It is a sign that they feel the need to control - like their life literally depends on it. For days, I have seen her have the flat affect and the blank eyes. Sometimes, when she says "I don't remember," I almost see her as dissociating. It is odd. You think about how many times she has said "I don't know" about her own reasons and her own feelings. Often, with my kids, that is the way it is. They literally cannot connect to their feelings enough to know why they did what they did. So much of it is truly reactive. That does not mean there is not planning. They are highly susceptible to tremendous rage and anger at the feeling of abandonment or loss of control - even perceived abandonment or loss of control. They have a very fake exterior. I call it the "china doll." It is the smiley, happy, totally in control face you see when she does all the interviews. It is so skilled it is uncanny. It is totally a survival mechanism that they have learned very early on. Out of all kids, these kids are the most socially adept and good at being believed. Even when flat out lying.

But, today has been different. I have to say it has hit me very hard personally. I got into this field because I adopted a child who has had extreme attachment issues. Due to years of helping my child, I have come to see first hand how hard it is to raise a child with these traits of no empathy and no conscience. Like someone posted the other day, you go round and round with the lies - the endless nonsense lies - even the control on little things like the mayonnaise and mustard. The blank eyes and china doll face. You always hope you can make a difference but daily you face issues like JM has on the stand. But, then there is a point. If you can hang in there and be lovingly therapeutic and outlast the chaos, there is a point that you can get to with these children that the total look of all their bottled up shame comes up. They let down their guard for a few moments and you can see the darkness, anger, rage, and pain they carry. Almost a look of defeat.

I saw that look in Jodi today and, for me as a mom, it was the weirdest feeling. I honestly felt love. I recognized that look as the point on the children I work with when they give up the baloney and know they cannot continue - that the act and fake stuff isn't working. At that point, I know as a mom I can help. Of course, in our home and many others, it is little things like mayonnaise or mustard or lying about who hurt the family dog, not murder. But, at the end of the day, all of my families are working to help our kids get conscience and empathy so that things like this don't happen.

With my child, I wait for that look of defeat, of resignation, to know that my child is willing to trust me to help. So many times, I have had to wait patiently, through lots of stuff, to get to that point. But, the moment my child gives up the act, I know I can help. Often, those are some of our most tender moments. It takes so much for a child who has been significantly hurt (such that he or she forms no attachments) to trust with true emotion. When they will trust you, you have a chance to teach them another way. It is incredibly hard because that has been their sole survival.

Today, when I saw the deflated look, I knew JA knew the jury wasn't buying it. She can tell her way hasn't worked. The shame - not of killing TA - but of how defective and different she is from everyone else has hit her. She knows she is different, fundamentally flawed, but, if she can keep up the act and others will believe the act, she feels on top of the world. When that starts to crack, it is a tremendous fall. For a younger child, it is a point of help. For JA, it is a point of realizing it has not worked.

Sharing alot here. But, I work with families all over the world who have adopted kids with the same issues. I go to court with them to get help. I hold their hands when their child beats them up. I help them deal with the no conscience or empathy. I help protect them when their children physically harm them. I love those families because they do the hardest job in the world. JA has highlighted why we do what we do.

When I saw her deflated look, I knew she knew it was over. Today, instead of dark eyes and the smile, I could see the dark eyes and fallen countenance. I saw the "child" that was stunted many many years ago. While she tries to come across as intelligent and is very sophisticated at the act, she seems to me to be emotionally stunted at a 12 year old level. Today, in her countenance, I could see "behind the curtain" of the wizard of Oz. The grand act came crashing down.

I am not saying she will not try to regain the image. And, I am definitely not saying she will not lie. She has to lie to feel any control at all. She almost can't help it, even on stupid things.

But, today, I could see and so recognized the look. I have seen it many times before. The moment she realized it was done. That the act hadn't worked and that people could see through the fake exterior. For her, that was crushing.


Please don't bash here. It took a lot to share this. Please know that, if you have read the posts, I am huge on accountability for JA. I feel very strongly that she must be held accountable for what she did. When I describe the love and empathy I felt, it surprised even me. It is not a reflection of what I think needs to happen, but a reflection of all the young children I love that show so many traits of JA - lacking conscience, no empathy, rage, violence, non sense lying, no close attachments. Daily, I work with families that fight the good fight, with such small progress, never knowing if their patience and therapeutic parenting will make any dent in the symptoms or not. JA represents the worst outcome for us. Each day, we hope that we can help turn that around for the kids we love so much. When you talk about the mom laughing in the court room, I bet I could speak volumes as to what she has lived with. I don't know her and won't speculate, but if she is anything like the parents I work with, her emotions seem odd because parenting JA was nothing like parenting a typical child. While totally inappropriate in some of her actions, her mother heart forces her to be there until the end, even as her child testifies she is an abuser and they are not close. I bet that mom would have loved the experience of knowing her child really loved her, even once. Just a guess, but sometimes people laugh so they don't cry.

Thanks for letting me share. I hope this is understood the way it was intended. If not, let me clear it up before you jump on me - grin!

I read this with GREAT interest. Thank you so much for sharing and I really understand more now.

 

[nawd68]

Jodi said today she was "pushed to the point" of killing him. Interesting choice of words. Not that she was defending herself, but pushed to the point. That's right. She was pushed to the point of killing him because of her insane jealousy and rage.

 

[BrownRice]

posting again:

Tesoro - 1699 W North Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84116 - Find Tesoro gas station locations in Salt Lake ... Hours are 6 am Monday through Saturday until 1 am.

SHE COULD NOT BUY ANYTHING BUT GAS AT 3AM

BINGO.

Not like ANYBODY would believe she went in and bought Cheetos though, but this is great confirmation.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Okay. There are no receipts between her stop in Pasadena on June 3 and June 6. This is where she used her gas cans.

Exactly, and I traveled those route's a lot and back and forth to Mesa and then Nevada, Utah. Let me tell you, since about 2000 or 2004, there is a gas station every 10 or 20 miles the entire time. It's not like the 60's when my parents took us on trips and we had to map out gas.

She would never do an elaborate gas can thing to save $20 overall...crap she was going to empty Travis wallet after her crime (which I suspect she did)

They were to assist her and help her not be detected.. Ugh.

 

[AngelWings444]

What does the Dept of Health have to say about restaurant workers handling food with a cut finger? Isn't there some rule about that?

The restaurant would not allow her to handle food or pour drinks with a wound that hasn't stopped bleeding, period! JA testified she cut it on a glass, or metal on a glass, not handling food. Since it's JA, a known LIAR, is stating this years later, the health department wouldn't be interested. To be very clear, the management would have filled out an injury report if she did get hurt at work. It's the law. They had 4-5 restaurants, maybe even 13 at the time, there is no way this is a small business.

Hope that helps. The restaurant doesn't need any more bad PR. :seeya:

 

[JSR]

This song just played on my iphone. I think it's fitting for today. It's fitting for Juan and Travis. Yup Jodi this really is the end. Travis will soon get the justice he DESERVES!!!!!!!

This is the end
Hold your breath and count to ten
Feel the earth move and then
Hear my heart burst again
For this is the end
I've drowned and dreamt this moment
So overdue, I owe them
Swept away, I'm stolen

Let the sky fall, when it crumbles
We will stand tall
And face it all together
Let the sky fall, when it crumbles
We will stand tall
And face it all together
At sky fall
At sky fall

Skyfall is where we start
A thousand miles and poles apart
Where worlds collide and days are dark
You may have my number, You can take my name
But you'll never have my heart

Let the sky fall, when it crumbles
We will stand tall
And face it all together
Let the sky fall, when it crumbles
We will stand tall
And face it all together
At sky fall

(Let the sky fall, When it crumbles, We will stand tall x2)

Where you go I go
What you see I see
I know I'd never be me without the security
Are your loving arms keeping me from harm
Put your hand in my hand and we'll stand

Let the sky fall, when it crumbles
We will stand tall
And face it all together
Let the sky fall, when it crumbles
We will stand tall
And face it all together
At sky fall

Let the sky fall
We will stand tall
At sky falls
Ooooo.

 

[Callisto]

I bet with Juan's experience in serious trials like this one and with juror's asking questions, that he did not previously provide the more damning evidence today of the 3 gas cans because he knew that at least 1 juror would ask something regarding the 3 gas cans and JA would lie right to them. I think JA being caught in a lie directly answering to a question of the jurors is VERY detrimental to whatever sympathy she could have been gaining by being on the stand for so long. I think having juror questions makes JA's response that much more critical to the jury because it is much more personal, IMO.
So I feel like Juan knew a question would be asked regarding the gas cans, that JA would lie and then in his cross (or whatever it is referred to?) after the juror questions he could introduce the heavier evidence of 3 gas cans to prove (IMO) she is LYING to them.
I think he knew the jury would be infinitely more appalled by her lies when she lied directly to them. I am not sure if I am making sense, lol! This happens a lot.. I have such a fluttery mind I am always losing track of my train of thought haha so, bear with me peas!

 

[Hopeful One]

For all the kids I work with, there is a high need for control, no empathy, no conscience. It is a sliding scale - some have serious issues, some are more mild. The nonsense lying is constant. It is a sign that they feel the need to control - like their life literally depends on it. For days, I have seen her have the flat affect and the blank eyes. Sometimes, when she says "I don't remember," I almost see her as dissociating. It is odd. You think about how many times she has said "I don't know" about her own reasons and her own feelings. Often, with my kids, that is the way it is. They literally cannot connect to their feelings enough to know why they did what they did. So much of it is truly reactive. That does not mean there is not planning. They are highly susceptible to tremendous rage and anger at the feeling of abandonment or loss of control - even perceived abandonment or loss of control. They have a very fake exterior. I call it the "china doll." It is the smiley, happy, totally in control face you see when she does all the interviews. It is so skilled it is uncanny. It is totally a survival mechanism that they have learned very early on. Out of all kids, these kids are the most socially adept and good at being believed. Even when flat out lying.

But, today has been different. I have to say it has hit me very hard personally. I got into this field because I adopted a child who has had extreme attachment issues. Due to years of helping my child, I have come to see first hand how hard it is to raise a child with these traits of no empathy and no conscience. Like someone posted the other day, you go round and round with the lies - the endless nonsense lies - even the control on little things like the mayonnaise and mustard. The blank eyes and china doll face. You always hope you can make a difference but daily you face issues like JM has on the stand. But, then there is a point. If you can hang in there and be lovingly therapeutic and outlast the chaos, there is a point that you can get to with these children that the total look of all their bottled up shame comes up. They let down their guard for a few moments and you can see the darkness, anger, rage, and pain they carry. Almost a look of defeat.

I saw that look in Jodi today and, for me as a mom, it was the weirdest feeling. I honestly felt love. I recognized that look as the point on the children I work with when they give up the baloney and know they cannot continue - that the act and fake stuff isn't working. At that point, I know as a mom I can help. Of course, in our home and many others, it is little things like mayonnaise or mustard or lying about who hurt the family dog, not murder. But, at the end of the day, all of my families are working to help our kids get conscience and empathy so that things like this don't happen.

With my child, I wait for that look of defeat, of resignation, to know that my child is willing to trust me to help. So many times, I have had to wait patiently, through lots of stuff, to get to that point. But, the moment my child gives up the act, I know I can help. Often, those are some of our most tender moments. It takes so much for a child who has been significantly hurt (such that he or she forms no attachments) to trust with true emotion. When they will trust you, you have a chance to teach them another way. It is incredibly hard because that has been their sole survival.

Today, when I saw the deflated look, I knew JA knew the jury wasn't buying it. She can tell her way hasn't worked. The shame - not of killing TA - but of how defective and different she is from everyone else has hit her. She knows she is different, fundamentally flawed, but, if she can keep up the act and others will believe the act, she feels on top of the world. When that starts to crack, it is a tremendous fall. For a younger child, it is a point of help. For JA, it is a point of realizing it has not worked.

Sharing alot here. But, I work with families all over the world who have adopted kids with the same issues. I go to court with them to get help. I hold their hands when their child beats them up. I help them deal with the no conscience or empathy. I help protect them when their children physically harm them. I love those families because they do the hardest job in the world. JA has highlighted why we do what we do.

When I saw her deflated look, I knew she knew it was over. Today, instead of dark eyes and the smile, I could see the dark eyes and fallen countenance. I saw the "child" that was stunted many many years ago. While she tries to come across as intelligent and is very sophisticated at the act, she seems to me to be emotionally stunted at a 12 year old level. Today, in her countenance, I could see "behind the curtain" of the wizard of Oz. The grand act came crashing down.

I am not saying she will not try to regain the image. And, I am definitely not saying she will not lie. She has to lie to feel any control at all. She almost can't help it, even on stupid things.

But, today, I could see and so recognized the look. I have seen it many times before. The moment she realized it was done. That the act hadn't worked and that people could see through the fake exterior. For her, that was crushing.


Please don't bash here. It took a lot to share this. Please know that, if you have read the posts, I am huge on accountability for JA. I feel very strongly that she must be held accountable for what she did. When I describe the love and empathy I felt, it surprised even me. It is not a reflection of what I think needs to happen, but a reflection of all the young children I love that show so many traits of JA - lacking conscience, no empathy, rage, violence, non sense lying, no close attachments. Daily, I work with families that fight the good fight, with such small progress, never knowing if their patience and therapeutic parenting will make any dent in the symptoms or not. JA represents the worst outcome for us. Each day, we hope that we can help turn that around for the kids we love so much. When you talk about the mom laughing in the court room, I bet I could speak volumes as to what she has lived with. I don't know her and won't speculate, but if she is anything like the parents I work with, her emotions seem odd because parenting JA was nothing like parenting a typical child. While totally inappropriate in some of her actions, her mother heart forces her to be there until the end, even as her child testifies she is an abuser and they are not close. I bet that mom would have loved the experience of knowing her child really loved her, even once. Just a guess, but sometimes people laugh so they don't cry.

Thanks for letting me share. I hope this is understood the way it was intended. If not, let me clear it up before you jump on me - grin!

Thank you so much for sharing. You have such a good heart and I appreciate your insight. God bless you!

 

[sweetmop]

I didn't get to watch any of the trial today and I am crazy over that, but not nearly as freaked out over the fact that I recived a "coaching" today at work. During the coaching, the individual ACTUALLY told me they were trying to edify me! WTH? I wanted to scream Noooooooooooooooo.... I'm fairly certain this person is Catholic.

OMG!!! Their last name isn't Arias, by chance???:seeya:

 

[Ransom]

Why can't JM call him? For all we know, they've cut some kind of deal about those letters. I think Matt knows a lot of s**t about this. And it sounds like he's not Jodi's biggest fan anymore and she knows it, and knows why.

Juan Martinez can subpoena Matt M. for his rebuttal case, if he wishes. Will he? I have no idea.

 

[seguek9]

From our thread here:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - *graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**

N: How did those injuries occur?
A: I believe it was my index fingers and I was putting away margarita glasses at work
M: Objection, lack of foundation
J: Sustained
N: When were you putting away these margarita glasses?
A: I believe, if I remember correctly it was June 1st, that's what the date stamp says
M: And where were you working?
A: Casa Ramos
N: And how did you injure yourself putting away margarita glasses at Casa Ramos?
A: I was just moving to fast and I was being, I was a little bit clumsy, not intentionally, but I just, um, there's a metal shelf beneath the bar and that's where they all sit and cool off because after they come out of the dishwasher, they're really hot and um, so they have to cool off before we can put margaritas in them, or they'll crack. So I was rotating the cool ones from the back out and putting the hot ones in the back and as I was reaching with my hand, I hit some of the metal and I think it peeled back some of the skin and it was a wound.
N: Did you photograph those injuries
---------------------------

I had to refresh my memory about that finger cut.

:bump:
toast.

 

[Isabelle]

i'm sure nurmi is figuring out as we speak other crap she bought that amounted to $19.65 or whatever it was. i think the point has been made---but she seemed to be caught so off guard by the question she didn't even start trying to explain 'well, i also bought blah blah.....'

that's what i expected but she didn't do it. i'm sure she will when nurmi gets her back, if he DOES get her back.

The Tesoro charges on her WAMU statement all had the same numerical code on them. Not sure about the first sets of numbers, but the last two numbers were identical and I think they were "36". This could be type of purchase or could also be store number.