100 questions from the jury: Arias answering on her 17th day on the stand #78

[Linda7NJ]

She used the 3rd gas can to burn the knife, gun, clothes and any other evidence.

-or-

She is not lying because she is not the brightest color in the crayola box, and returned the gas can for $$$ ?

I am 100% confident she used his straight razor for the stabbings/throat slit.

She didn't use a straight razor. She's no Sweeny Todd.

IMO she brought her own knife, the one it one just like the one she always carried. The kind that she used to Slash his tires twice and his dates tires once.




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[steelergirl]

what if MM did help and the state says that he won't be in trouble if he testifies against Jodi?? Can she really pull him 12 ft and sit him up in the shower alone??? Just a thought.

P.S. love your tag name. My hubby is a Steeler fan too.

I've had the same thought a few times during her testimony. But, I always go back to if she had help in the actual murder she wouldn't hesitate to throw that person under the bus hard and with two hands! But, as was said...anything is possible!

And you married a good man!!!

 

[Dr. Know?]

But if she'd used a serrated knife, you would be able to tell. He has stab wounds and lacerations. It would make a messier wound. His were too straight.

My long handled bread/cake knife (serrated) could make a pretty okay clean cut. I use it when I have to cut meats for our grill/dinner. I don't like that job btw, Mr. Dr. Know? & I are trying to work this out fairly.

 

[*~Aimee~*]

Yes, that picture was taken a long time before June 4.

I don't know what is up with the whole shaving story but there's something there to be found.

I can't imagine any kitchen knife being able to do a one swipe ear-to-ear slice through someone's neck, almost to the spine. I can't imagine what it would take to do that. The wound on Travis's neck looks like it was just ONE slice. I hate that I'm typing this kind of stuff...and that JA has made my mind have to even go there!!!

She made a big point of how he hadn't shaved that day but the picture proves he did.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that the murderess couldn't have brought a straight edge from her grandpa(!) or elsewhere with her. Or that Travis didn't have one that wasn't photographed, which she took with her, along with the gun and knife. (Because even if she used a razor, I still believe she needed a knife to inflict some of the wounds on his chest and back.)

I was just bringing it up. Hope didn't upset anyone. I didn't know if the picture was posted/discussed.

P.S. I hate looking at the image because that is where he stood and bled all over the sink.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

She didn't use a straight razor. She's no Sweeny Todd.

IMO she brought her own knife, the one it one just like the one she always carried. The kind that she used to Slash his tires twice and his dates tires once.




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If she used Travis' gun and knife there would be no reason to remove them from the scene, just wipe off the prints and the blood from her wounds. I think she brought the knife to the bathroom, and the reason I say this is she has mentioned the bath mat way too many times. I think she hid the knife under the mat until she was ready to use it. Two reasons for her to force him to sit down in the shower were to make it harder for him to get back up to defend himself, and, to put her closer to the bath mat where the knofe was without taking her eyes off of him. Drop camera, grab knife, slaughter Travis before he could get back up. :twocents:

 

[Snoods]

O/T but has anyone ever "removed their thanks" lol.

 

[princesspjs]

I'm surprised she didn't buy a gun, use it and return it.

LOL - I totally agree...she was so budget minded during her killing trip ya know.

I was just bringing it up. Hope didn't upset anyone. I didn't know if the picture was posted/discussed.

P.S. I hate looking at the image because that is where he stood and bled all over the sink.

I'm not upset at all, I love trying to sleuth it through together.

 

[ElleElle]

Right, but would Travis had a commercial kitchen knife like yourself?

My long handled bread/cake knife (serrated) could make a pretty okay clean cut. I use it when I have to cut meats for our grill/dinner. I don't like that job btw, Mr. Dr. Know? & I are trying to work this out fairly.

 

[TartLemon]

I've had the same thought a few times during her testimony. But, I always go back to if she had help in the actual murder she wouldn't hesitate to throw that person under the bus hard and with two hands! But, as was said...anything is possible!

And you married a good man!!!

I don't understand how she got Travis into the shower after all the stabbing. the way he's in there, he had to go under his own steam or be picked up and placed in the shower. There's not enough room to drag him there.

 

[MistyM]

But the picture of him shaving looks like a double edge razor(my hubby uses) vs a straight edged razor.

http://www.myspace.com/tvalexander/photos/30620591#{"ImageId":30620591}

so i checked out jodi's myspace, the comment from her sister telling her that one day she will be famous... heh.

 

[Candy_Pickletoes]

Just from this incomplete screenshot, the total comes to just under $830.00. Has it been verified that JA was working at the time?

I'm just enjoying the glow of today and letting my mind wander a little. I'm still curious about her income. She seemed to be able to spend and travel frequently - yet she always complains of not being able to afford things (except for Starbucks, manicures, etc.).

If you believe her :waitasec:

She said she couldn't afford the GPS option,
She traveled a considerable distance to rent a car at a low price
She couldn't afford a weapon (to Det. Flores) but bought a .9mm
She lived (rent free?) with her grandparents... Why, I wonder? To save $$ or because she couldn't afford rent anywhere?

Granted $800+ bucks is not a lot to some, but JA was (from what I can tell) a part-time, sporadic waitress/server...

It's curious.

I was going to point out the same thing. For someone who was concerned about saving money, she sure did spend a lot. Most notable to me is the fact that none of these charges were for regular monthly costs that would be normal for most people. $830 may not be much for some but portions (or all) of that $830 would be for rent/mortgage, electric, water, car insurance, etc.

The only thing this means to me is the "I wanted to save money by buying gas in another state" makes no sense whatsoever.

Aaaannnddd (in true Nurmi fashion)...what we can see isn't even the whole June statement. We know there are more charges because she used her card at least once at the first gas station stop in Pasadena. And the withdrawals of cash, didn't she say she had $200ish in cash?

 

[Candy_Pickletoes]

Another question - Does Nurmi get another shot at follow-up once Martinez is done? I would think not but....

 

[marciec]

For all the kids I work with, there is a high need for control, no empathy, no conscience. It is a sliding scale - some have serious issues, some are more mild. The nonsense lying is constant. It is a sign that they feel the need to control - like their life literally depends on it. For days, I have seen her have the flat affect and the blank eyes. Sometimes, when she says "I don't remember," I almost see her as dissociating. It is odd. You think about how many times she has said "I don't know" about her own reasons and her own feelings. Often, with my kids, that is the way it is. They literally cannot connect to their feelings enough to know why they did what they did. So much of it is truly reactive. That does not mean there is not planning. They are highly susceptible to tremendous rage and anger at the feeling of abandonment or loss of control - even perceived abandonment or loss of control. They have a very fake exterior. I call it the "china doll." It is the smiley, happy, totally in control face you see when she does all the interviews. It is so skilled it is uncanny. It is totally a survival mechanism that they have learned very early on. Out of all kids, these kids are the most socially adept and good at being believed. Even when flat out lying.

But, today has been different. I have to say it has hit me very hard personally. I got into this field because I adopted a child who has had extreme attachment issues. Due to years of helping my child, I have come to see first hand how hard it is to raise a child with these traits of no empathy and no conscience. Like someone posted the other day, you go round and round with the lies - the endless nonsense lies - even the control on little things like the mayonnaise and mustard. The blank eyes and china doll face. You always hope you can make a difference but daily you face issues like JM has on the stand. But, then there is a point. If you can hang in there and be lovingly therapeutic and outlast the chaos, there is a point that you can get to with these children that the total look of all their bottled up shame comes up. They let down their guard for a few moments and you can see the darkness, anger, rage, and pain they carry. Almost a look of defeat.

I saw that look in Jodi today and, for me as a mom, it was the weirdest feeling. I honestly felt love. I recognized that look as the point on the children I work with when they give up the baloney and know they cannot continue - that the act and fake stuff isn't working. At that point, I know as a mom I can help. Of course, in our home and many others, it is little things like mayonnaise or mustard or lying about who hurt the family dog, not murder. But, at the end of the day, all of my families are working to help our kids get conscience and empathy so that things like this don't happen.

With my child, I wait for that look of defeat, of resignation, to know that my child is willing to trust me to help. So many times, I have had to wait patiently, through lots of stuff, to get to that point. But, the moment my child gives up the act, I know I can help. Often, those are some of our most tender moments. It takes so much for a child who has been significantly hurt (such that he or she forms no attachments) to trust with true emotion. When they will trust you, you have a chance to teach them another way. It is incredibly hard because that has been their sole survival.

Today, when I saw the deflated look, I knew JA knew the jury wasn't buying it. She can tell her way hasn't worked. The shame - not of killing TA - but of how defective and different she is from everyone else has hit her. She knows she is different, fundamentally flawed, but, if she can keep up the act and others will believe the act, she feels on top of the world. When that starts to crack, it is a tremendous fall. For a younger child, it is a point of help. For JA, it is a point of realizing it has not worked.

Sharing alot here. But, I work with families all over the world who have adopted kids with the same issues. I go to court with them to get help. I hold their hands when their child beats them up. I help them deal with the no conscience or empathy. I help protect them when their children physically harm them. I love those families because they do the hardest job in the world. JA has highlighted why we do what we do.

When I saw her deflated look, I knew she knew it was over. Today, instead of dark eyes and the smile, I could see the dark eyes and fallen countenance. I saw the "child" that was stunted many many years ago. While she tries to come across as intelligent and is very sophisticated at the act, she seems to me to be emotionally stunted at a 12 year old level. Today, in her countenance, I could see "behind the curtain" of the wizard of Oz. The grand act came crashing down.

I am not saying she will not try to regain the image. And, I am definitely not saying she will not lie. She has to lie to feel any control at all. She almost can't help it, even on stupid things.

But, today, I could see and so recognized the look. I have seen it many times before. The moment she realized it was done. That the act hadn't worked and that people could see through the fake exterior. For her, that was crushing.


Please don't bash here. It took a lot to share this. Please know that, if you have read the posts, I am huge on accountability for JA. I feel very strongly that she must be held accountable for what she did. When I describe the love and empathy I felt, it surprised even me. It is not a reflection of what I think needs to happen, but a reflection of all the young children I love that show so many traits of JA - lacking conscience, no empathy, rage, violence, non sense lying, no close attachments. Daily, I work with families that fight the good fight, with such small progress, never knowing if their patience and therapeutic parenting will make any dent in the symptoms or not. JA represents the worst outcome for us. Each day, we hope that we can help turn that around for the kids we love so much. When you talk about the mom laughing in the court room, I bet I could speak volumes as to what she has lived with. I don't know her and won't speculate, but if she is anything like the parents I work with, her emotions seem odd because parenting JA was nothing like parenting a typical child. While totally inappropriate in some of her actions, her mother heart forces her to be there until the end, even as her child testifies she is an abuser and they are not close. I bet that mom would have loved the experience of knowing her child really loved her, even once. Just a guess, but sometimes people laugh so they don't cry.

Thanks for letting me share. I hope this is understood the way it was intended. If not, let me clear it up before you jump on me - grin!

I'm curious, do you remember when you saw this come over her? You called it 'the moment she realized it was done'.. do you recall when you saw this change in her facial expression? If you're able to recall any specific point in the tapes of testimony, I'd be interested in seeing what you described. I have a friend who adopted 2 children from Russia and I believe one of them has most if not all of the traits you describe. Thanks so much for sharing!!

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Another question - Does Nurmi get another shot at follow-up once Martinez is done? I would think not but....

I hope not, I have plans for those four weeks it would take him to get it done. /end sarcasm :blushing:

 

[ElleElle]

I saw it when she did a huge gulp during the razors questions.

I'm curious, do you remember when you saw this come over her? You called it 'the moment she realized it was done'.. do you recall when you saw this change in her facial expression? If you're able to recall any specific point in the tapes of testimony, I'd be interested in seeing what you described. I have a friend who adopted 2 children from Russia and I believe one of them has most if not all of the traits you describe. Thanks so much for sharing!!

 

[Anita Richman]

I was just bringing it up. Hope didn't upset anyone. I didn't know if the picture was posted/discussed.

P.S. I hate looking at the image because that is where he stood and bled all over the sink.

Aimee, I hope the way I commented that did NOT turn you off from sharing your thoughts about this case! It's late & I hope my comment didn't make you feel bad!

 

[katiedid2]

Another question - Does Nurmi get another shot at follow-up once Martinez is done? I would think not but....

Please say it isn't so
I don't have enough Ativan to carry me thru a nurmi crawl.

 

[Lexington]

Another question - Does Nurmi get another shot at follow-up once Martinez is done? I would think not but....

I hope not. We would be all old and grey if this was to go on indefinitely. Seriously though, I don't think so. I thought that JM would not get another shot of her today, at least that's what all the TH's were saying. I''m glad he did though.

 

[katiedid2]

I'm not sure if this is possible, at least at this point in the trial without the defense having a heads up, but I'm wondering if JM has MM turning on JA saying she asked him to kill Travis? Maybe she went to him first and he said no, or she couldn't convince him too so she did it?

Sorry if this was already mentioned, or if I'm way off track but JM obviously has something over JA involving MM.

I'm wondering if mm knew she. Coloured her hair in salinas at the nail salon
Who gets their nails done acrylic break?

 

[katiedid2]

I can't believe how cocky she was today with jm
She couldn't resist! Couldnt Control herself!