11/1/11 Parents to return to home on N. Waldron 11/2

[lauriej]

Are they going back to JI parents or DB parents house?

..the reporter always said before that it was -----the home of deborah's uncle. ( the waldron house).

---print article accompanying the video today --says :

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29667881/detail.html

The parents of missing Kansas City baby Lisa Irwin met with their new local attorney on Wednesday at the home of the missing baby's uncle.


Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin returned to the home of Phil Netz, Bradley's brother, at midday. They had been staying at the home on North Walrond Avenue for most of the time since Lisa disappeared on Oct. 3, but left the house for an undisclosed location last week.

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29665508/detail.html
--brief clip---parents arrive to meet the attorney---

**observation---jeremy has a splashy new cell phone.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I couldn't care less where they go, unless it's to LE to help them find Lisa (Lisa is the baby that disappeared in this story, in case anyone is wondering).

I am curious, what do those who insist the parents should talk to LE think will be accomplished? They did talk to them for days, or at least many hours. If DB or JI have thought of anything new or their memory was jogged somehow, I believe they would speak to LE about it, or their lawyer would. What will getting the parents apart and grilling them with accusations accomplish? I can understand at this stage why they do not want to talk to LE. I hope and wish that they will think of something than can lead to their daughter.

 

[Amster]

I can think of no good reason why the parents of a missing baby would refuse to cooperate with LE. Unless, they're guilty, of course. Which I believe they are...MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I am curious, what do those who insist the parents should talk to LE think will be accomplished? They did talk to them for days, or at least many hours. If DB or JI have thought of anything new or their memory was jogged somehow, I believe they would speak to LE about it, or their lawyer would. What will getting the parents apart and grilling them with accusations accomplish? I can understand at this stage why they do not want to talk to LE. I hope and wish that they will think of something than can lead to their daughter.

At this point, the only thing LE would hope to get out of the parents would be incriminating evidence. Any help of finding evidence of a stranger abduction of baby Lisa wouldn't come from the parents at this stage. And that's the story the family has. A stranger took their baby. So LE has to use means other than interviewing the parents to get evidence of what happened. MOO.

 

[Twelve of One]

I am curious, what do those who insist the parents should talk to LE think will be accomplished? They did talk to them for days, or at least many hours. If DB or JI have thought of anything new or their memory was jogged somehow, I believe they would speak to LE about it, or their lawyer would. What will getting the parents apart and grilling them with accusations accomplish? I can understand at this stage why they do not want to talk to LE. I hope and wish that they will think of something than can lead to their daughter.

Also, even after they "stopped cooperating" they were still fielding calls and answering questions by telephone. I remember LE commenting that was not enough and they wanted the couple in for more questioning. IMO the couple is willing to answer legitimate questions, just not willing to submit to interrogation tactics that are designed to wear them down.

Does anybody else get the feeling that LE suspected the parents at first, but not any more? Haven't heard them lately calling for the parents to come in and be grilled, seem to be busy with other avenues. Could be wrong about that, of course, no telling what's going on behind the scenes.

 

[Donjeta]

I have no clue what LE suspects but I think that if the families lawyer up and have their attorneys communicate their negative decision to be interviewed LE would at some point accept that it is what it is and they aren't about to come voluntarily and that further calling is not going to change it, so why bother.

LE did say there are still some unanswered questions that only the parents would know, which, I am betting, includes clarifying the shifting timelines and who all was in the house that day.

If they haven't been interviewed separately anything they have said so far is subject to suspicion IMO because they are not conjoined at the hip and it probably means they have problems in keeping the stories straight.

But, hey, they're not obliged to help LE find their daughter. It's up to them.

If they do find Lisa they are going to need tons of solid evidence to convict any stranger if the parents have not cooperated and have told LE some fibs that come up at the trial.

 

[21merc7]

The family is doing as instructed by attorneys. Attorneys will not let family talk to LE without attorneys present. It is the attorneys' decision. The family has no idea what to do. I agree the family needs attorneys present at this point, as I am certain there were some really hard accusations flying at them without attorneys present. LE can ask questions with attorneys there and get answers, just not tell them they murdered their child and demand they admit it.

 

[Donjeta]

The family is doing as instructed by attorneys. Attorneys will not let family talk to LE without attorneys present. It is the attorneys' decision. The family has no idea what to do. I agree the family needs attorneys present at this point, as I am certain there were some really hard accusations flying at them without attorneys present. LE can ask questions with attorneys there and get answers, just not tell them they murdered their child and demand they admit it.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't believe the attorneys will allow them sit down and to talk to LE at all, they're doing so much deflecting. JMO.

 

[~n/t~]

I hope I'm wrong but I don't believe the attorneys will allow them sit down and to talk to LE at all, they're doing so much deflecting. JMO.

Unless LE has results or has other evidence that need explaining or clarification, I'm not sure what more these parents can tell them that they haven't already after 11 hours of interrogation.

What is there to sit down and talk about? Their child is missing and they don't know what happened. They've searched the home inside and out numerous times. My understanding is the cars have also been searched. They have witnesses. They have phone records. They gathered evidence from the home. Mom has taken a poly. Yesterday, we found out the neighbour's husband also took a poly. We don't know who else did.

Can you or anyone else think of what else they can ask these parents that LE doesn't already know or should know after a month?

 

[Donjeta]

Unless LE has results or has other evidence that need explaining or clarification, I'm not sure what more these parents can tell them that they haven't already after 11 hours of interrogation.

What is there to sit down and talk about? Their child is missing and they don't know what happened. They've searched the home inside and out numerous times. My understanding is the cars have also been searched. They have witnesses. They have phone records. They gathered evidence from the home. Mom has taken a poly. Yesterday, we found out the neighbour's husband also took a poly. We don't know who else did.

Can you or anyone else think of what else they can ask these parents that LE doesn't already know or should know after a month?

A lot depends on whether or not their story stayed the same, was truthful and jived with other information IMO. If not there is a whole lot to talk about. For starters, when did DB really last see Lisa? Did her story to LE change or did she lie just to the media? Even if she just lied to the media I'm pretty sure LE would like to talk about the reasons why the answers in the interviews and the witness statements don't match.

 

[~n/t~]

A lot depends on whether or not their story stayed the same, was truthful and jived with other information IMO. If not there is a whole lot to talk about. For starters, when did DB really last see Lisa? Did her story to LE change or did she lie just to the media?

Let's assume DB and/or JI are liars and can't get their stories straight. How in the world would that help LE ? We already know DB failed the poly (according to her). We already know LE doesn't believe her (according to her). We already know they told her she killed her baby (according to her). What makes anyone think that requestioning will help?

Like I said, unless LE has evidence that points to the parents or need them to clarify a piece of evidence they have, I don't see the point for requestioning. After a month, LE should already have a theory, I think. If they believe the mom is involved then make an arrest. If not, keep looking for Lisa.

 

[sorrell skye]

Unless LE has results or has other evidence that need explaining or clarification, I'm not sure what more these parents can tell them that they haven't already after 11 hours of interrogation.

What is there to sit down and talk about? Their child is missing and they don't know what happened. They've searched the home inside and out numerous times. My understanding is the cars have also been searched. They have witnesses. They have phone records. They gathered evidence from the home. Mom has taken a poly. Yesterday, we found out the neighbour's husband also took a poly. We don't know who else did.

Can you or anyone else think of what else they can ask these parents that LE doesn't already know or should know after a month?

BBM

"We need them to sit down apart from each other, with detectives, and answer the tough questions detectives have for them concerning what they may or may not know about anything, who came and went [the night Lisa disappeared]," Young told ABCNews.com. "There's a whole list of things that they may know."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-police-tough-questions-parents/story?id=14810300

I think the bolded portion of the above snippet would be a good place to start.

1. Were there other people who came & went that night that DB doesn't want JI to know about (for whatever reason)? If so, who & when?

2. Who called MW's phone from one of the now missing cell phones? What was the reason for the call?

3. I also think it would be helpful for JI & DB to provide an accurate, consistent timeline to LE.

 

[Donjeta]

Let's assume DB and/or JI are liars and can't get their stories straight. How in the world would that help LE ? We already know DB failed the poly (according to her). We already know LE doesn't believe her (according to her). We already know they told her she killed her baby (according to her). What makes anyone think that requestioning will help?

Like I said, unless LE has evidence that points to the parents or need them to clarify a piece of evidence they have, I don't see the point for requestioning. After a month, LE should already have a theory, I think. If they believe the mom is involved then make an arrest. If not, keep looking for Lisa.

JMO but getting liars to talk more is often helpful in getting at the truth. They might even confess or if not they could let slip something that works as a clue for the investigators, or gets them convicted. Which is of course why all the defense attorneys are against interviews.

It doesn't matter IMO who LE thinks is involved, they'd like to find Lisa anyway because prosecuting anyone without the body or finding the abducted child is going to be a pain. There is no point arresting anybody before you have enough for a conviction. Better take their time than rush and fail to get a conviction because you didn't have all the ducks in the row before making an arrest. MOO.

 

[~n/t~]

BBM

"We need them to sit down apart from each other, with detectives, and answer the tough questions detectives have for them concerning what they may or may not know about anything, who came and went [the night Lisa disappeared]," Young told ABCNews.com. "There's a whole list of things that they may know."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-police-tough-questions-parents/story?id=14810300

I think the bolded portion of the above snippet would be a good place to start.

1. Were there other people who came & went that night that DB doesn't want JI to know about (for whatever reason)? If so, who & when?

They should have that already. If not, there is something seriously wrong with this investigation. The parents were interrogated for 11 hours and the comings and goings and a list from the parents of who they interracted with should have already been given to LE.

2. Who called MW's phone from one of the now missing cell phones? What was the reason for the call?

They probably have no idea. Their phones are missing.

3. I also think it would be helpful for JI & DB to provide an accurate, consistent timeline to LE.

They did already. If other witnesses came forward to change it for whatever reason, it's not up to the parents to make it better for LE. They have to determine if these witnesses are being truthful or not. The parents can say, the witnesses are making it up. How will that help LE?


My replies in blue above. In my opinion and I said this before, LE made HUGE error from the start accusing mom. I think they underestimated the parents thinking they would get a confession or they never thought they would lawyer up.

I think LE should rethink their strategies in missing person cases. Telling a witness they failed or passed a polygraph won't help them. Maybe if they had told mom she passed, we wouldn't be where we are today. JMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I have no clue what LE suspects but I think that if the families lawyer up and have their attorneys communicate their negative decision to be interviewed LE would at some point accept that it is what it is and they aren't about to come voluntarily and that further calling is not going to change it, so why bother.

LE did say there are still some unanswered questions that only the parents would know, which, I am betting, includes clarifying the shifting timelines and who all was in the house that day.

If they haven't been interviewed separately anything they have said so far is subject to suspicion IMO because they are not conjoined at the hip and it probably means they have problems in keeping the stories straight.

But, hey, they're not obliged to help LE find their daughter. It's up to them.

If they do find Lisa they are going to need tons of solid evidence to convict any stranger if the parents have not cooperated and have told LE some fibs that come up at the trial.

I feel certain that one of the reasons that the couple refuses to be interviewed independently of one another is that Jeremy is simply parroting the story that Deborah is telling him. If it's true that JI wasn't at home for most of the evening, he doesn't know what went on because he wasn't there. Deborah has told him "all he needs to know", and she expects him to stick with the story. On one of the HLN shows last night, I heard again a comment that Jeremy made about "her not knowing any more than I do". Very telling remark because it should be the other way around!

Based on my observations of this couple and their interactions with one another, DB runs the show, and JI does exactly as he's told. If he has no responsibility in whatever happened to Lisa, Jeremy needs to grow a pair and stop mollycoddling Deborah. jmo

 

[Donjeta]

They did already. If other witnesses came forward to change it for whatever reason, it's not up to the parents to make it better for LE. They have to determine if these witnesses are being truthful or not. The parents can say, the witnesses are making it up. How will that help LE?


My replies in blue above. In my opinion and I said this before, LE made HUGE error from the start accusing mom. I think they underestimated the parents thinking they would get a confession or they never thought they would lawyer up.

I think LE should rethink their strategies in missing person cases. Telling a witness they failed or passed a polygraph won't help them. Maybe if they had told mom she passed, we wouldn't be where we are today. JMO

It's gotta work sometimes, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it I think. But in this case some other strategy could have been better.

If there is conflicting information between witnesses and one or the other party may be making it up, re-interviews should be a standard procedure IMO. Confronted with the discrepancy, the witnesses may reveal if they're lying or LE might find that there is a natural explanation, no one was lying but it was just a different way of expressing the same thing or someone was simply mistaken but it can be clarified and everybody is better off.

It's hard for me to understand why this is even an issue. IMO it goes without saying that in case of inconsistencies everybody should try and help clarify what's going on since LE has a little baby to find. It's not like they're doing this just to annoy people.

 

[sorrell skye]

Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
BBM

"We need them to sit down apart from each other, with detectives, and answer the tough questions detectives have for them concerning what they may or may not know about anything, who came and went [the night Lisa disappeared]," Young told ABCNews.com. "There's a whole list of things that they may know."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bab...ry?id=14810300

I think the bolded portion of the above snippet would be a good place to start.

1. Were there other people who came & went that night that DB doesn't want JI to know about (for whatever reason)? If so, who & when?

They should have that already. If not, there is something seriously wrong with this investigation. The parents were interrogated for 11 hours and the comings and goings and a list from the parents of who they interracted with should have already been given to LE.

2. Who called MW's phone from one of the now missing cell phones? What was the reason for the call?

They probably have no idea. Their phones are missing.

3. I also think it would be helpful for JI & DB to provide an accurate, consistent timeline to LE.

They did already. If other witnesses came forward to change it for whatever reason, it's not up to the parents to make it better for LE. They have to determine if these witnesses are being truthful or not. The parents can say, the witnesses are making it up. How will that help LE?


My replies in blue above. In my opinion and I said this before, LE made HUGE error from the start accusing mom. I think they underestimated the parents thinking they would get a confession or they never thought they would lawyer up.

I think LE should rethink their strategies in missing person cases. Telling a witness they failed or passed a polygraph won't help them. Maybe if they had told mom she passed, we wouldn't be where we are today. JMO

Their phones weren't missing @ 8:30 p.m. when the call to MW's phone was made.

At 8:30 p.m. DB & SB were drinking & smoking on the front stoop & the phones were allegedly on the kitchen counter being "programmed".

 

[Geralyn]

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29665508/detail.html
Missing Baby's Parents Meet With New Attorney

I sure hope this new attorney is able to negotiate another sit down with LE now.

 

[~n/t~]

Their phones weren't missing @ 8:30 p.m. when the call to MW's phone was made.

At 8:30 p.m. DB & SB were drinking & smoking on the front stoop & the phones were allegedly on the kitchen counter being "programmed".

1) The 8:30 call hasn't been confirmed by LE. We got that from MW, right?

2) It all depends on when the "kidnapping" occurred. The last time DB saw Lisa was at 6:40 pm, right? If we believe her black out story, I doubt she even knew the phones were gone.

 

[~n/t~]

It's gotta work sometimes, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it I think. But in this case some other strategy could have been better.

If there is conflicting information between witnesses and one or the other party may be making it up, re-interviews should be a standard procedure IMO. Confronted with the discrepancy, the witnesses may reveal if they're lying or LE might find that there is a natural explanation, no one was lying but it was just a different way of expressing the same thing or someone was simply mistaken but it can be clarified and everybody is better off.

It's hard for me to understand why this is even an issue. IMO it goes without saying that in case of inconsistencies everybody should try and help clarify what's going on since LE has a little baby to find. It's not like they're doing this just to annoy people.

Not when they're accusing you of murder. Sorry but I would not be cooperating with LE if I were in their shoes. I think they're doing the right thing. They wanted a confession and it's so blatantly obvious from how DB described it. I would bet my last penny that LE would never imagine the parents lawyering up.

Billie Dunn failed a poly. Hailey is still missing and as far as I know, they're nowhere closer to finding out what happened to her. And that is just one case off the top of my head.