118 and the Bible

[Rupert]

QUOTE>>the victim reminded me of PR in her red jacket.<<

Rupert
It's been a while since I saw Nick of Time and I've forgotten alot.
What red jacket??

The 6 year old girl was kidnapped so as to force her father to shoot the governor lady. The governor lady wore a red jacket at her speach and in the elevator and had brunette hair. That reminded me of a picture of PR.

The clock struck 1:18 as the father approached the governor and was about to shoot her when she woke up. The clock then flipped past to 1:19.

Added info: Ijust couldn't resist: "get rest" = get some sleep (the alarm clock in Nick of Time strike 1:18) the victim woke up just in the Nick of Time and thus saved her own life.

(I'm beginning to sound a bit like Jeff over on Jams.) Jeff is deep (with numbers).

 

[Rupert]

Okay, I'm totally dumbfounded!! I didn't know they watched the movie
"Nick of Time" that night at the Whites. What is your source on that
and who admitted to that? First I'm hearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sigh. Repeated again: See above from http://www.rense.com/ufo6/inno.htm

Nausea Manifesto (Vincent Bridges & Jay Weidner): "The movie concerns the kidnapping of a six year old girl by an unnamed political faction and in the film the victim is told to "Listen to me very carefully!" Bill Cox, a guest that night of the Ramseys' friends the Whites, remembered watching it."


Rupert

 

[narlacat]

Hi Rupert

I've not had the pleasure of Jeff over at Jam's, just for curiosity sake, does anyone that posts there believe the Ramsey's are guilty? I'd go and have a look myself but I have been there once and that was enough!

I've never seen a pic of Patsy in a red jacket, or maybe I have and I've forgotten.
I'm going to get Nick of Time and watch it again.

 

[Rupert]

Hi Rupert

I've not had the pleasure of Jeff over at Jam's, just for curiosity sake, does anyone that posts there believe the Ramsey's are guilty? I'd go and have a look myself but I have been there once and that was enough!

I've never seen a pic of Patsy in a red jacket, or maybe I have and I've forgotten.
I'm going to get Nick of Time and watch it again.

There's been the odd one like Doc who thinks JR wrote the note and was passed over.

Red jacket: It might have been a picture of PR from a previous Christmas. Enjoy Nick of Time again. The guy/girl perps are incredibly ruthless. Christopher Walken is most incredible. Of course so is Mr. Depp.

Did you ever see Cristopher Walken do his dance video? Awesome.

Night Night Narlacat. Sweet dreams and get some rest.

 

[narlacat]

Rupert
Depp is the only thing I really remember about Nick of Time, hehe. I watched it when it first came out at the movies and haven't seen it since.

I like Christopher Walken, when you say dance video was he in a Fatboy Slim clip? Maybe I'm getting confused about that...

I like Docg, but I'm not so sure about his theory. He is adamant though. I pretty much think Patsy was involved somehow and believe she wrote the note.

 

[ellen13]

Sigh. Repeated again: See above from http://www.rense.com/ufo6/inno.htm

Nausea Manifesto (Vincent Bridges & Jay Weidner): "The movie concerns the kidnapping of a six year old girl by an unnamed political faction and in the film the victim is told to "Listen to me very carefully!" Bill Cox, a guest that night of the Ramseys' friends the Whites, remembered watching it."

Rupert

Rupert,
Sorry to make you crazy!! But, I really appreciated you providing me
the website. I had never seen it before and found it to be the most comprehensive thing I've read regarding all of the theories.
Thanks,
Ellen

 

[ellen13]

Hi Rupert

I've not had the pleasure of Jeff over at Jam's, just for curiosity sake, does anyone that posts there believe the Ramsey's are guilty? I'd go and have a look myself but I have been there once and that was enough!

I've never seen a pic of Patsy in a red jacket, or maybe I have and I've forgotten.
I'm going to get Nick of Time and watch it again.

You know, Patsy had worn a red sweater the Christmas Day
night and then again the next morning when she called 911. Is this
the sweater you're referring to or is there another one??

Narla, thanks for keeping me posted!
Ellen

 

[ellen13]

Narla,
I think she had a long sleeved red sweater to go over her short sleeved one.
I don't remember my source but it does ring a bell.
Ellen

 

[Zman]

Sigh. Repeated again: See above from http://www.rense.com/ufo6/inno.htm

Nausea Manifesto (Vincent Bridges & Jay Weidner): "The movie concerns the kidnapping of a six year old girl by an unnamed political faction and in the film the victim is told to "Listen to me very carefully!" Bill Cox, a guest that night of the Ramseys' friends the Whites, remembered watching it."


Rupert

Not only do they dismiss IDI with the simplistic statement:
In the end, the Intruder theory leads only to more complications and the sort of academic stretching of a point


They then proceed to use unporven evidence and stretch their point until its thin and ready to break, making PR sound like the criminal mastermind of the century. Which we all know she's not.

 

[Rupert]

Not only do they dismiss IDI with the simplistic statement:
In the end, the Intruder theory leads only to more complications and the sort of academic stretching of a point


They then proceed to use unporven evidence and stretch their point until its thin and ready to break, making PR sound like the criminal mastermind of the century. Which we all know she's not.

Zman,
I totally agree with you. There is no prehistory. Just the tabloids picking up on her ambition and JS saying they are "Ruthless People". JR came from the south and basically took over as the three companies united. Either JS is telling the truth or a lie. There is no in between. It really made me wonder when JS said they were "Ruthless People" because she seemed to get along with Patsy, and interestingly the RN seems to repeat the phrases in the movie "Ruthless People" (she dies, she dies, she dies,...). Of course JMcR repeated similar phrases (she deserved to die, she deserved to die,...). All too weird.

Were they really ruthless people? I would venture to say the Father Rol Hoverstock does not agree with JS.

Did PR go nuts? If you spend time with a group of people who think she did, you will probably start to believe the same thing. If you spend time with people who think it was a cunning intruder, you will probably keep on searching for clues.

I don't care if people think I vasciilate on RDI or IDI. I might be in error some times. I have friends who say "Aw, c'mon, the R's did it!" Some times I feel that way. Other times, I think something is wrong here. Some facts don't fit.
Without some really good final evidence, it is easy to interpret circumstantial evidence either way. :banghead:

 

[IrishMist]

Did PR go nuts? If you spend time with a group of people who think she did, you will probably start to believe the same thing. If you spend time with people who think it was a cunning intruder, you will probably keep on searching for clues.

I don't care if people think I vasciilate on RDI or IDI. I might be in error some times. I have friends who say "Aw, c'mon, the R's did it!" Some times I feel that way. Other times, I think something is wrong here. Some facts don't fit.
Without some really good final evidence, it is easy to interpret circumstantial evidence either way. :banghead:

That's what happens to me, too, Rupert. I just go back and forth, back and forth. If I read alot about the Ramsey's (I think strange) reactions, I get suspiciousof them. This case drives me nuts.

It's a good thing JAR has a good alibi, cuz if he didn't, he'd be my favorite suspect. And I wonder about Santa, but I believe DNA cleared him.
But we can take solace in the fact that no one knows for sure, or else someone would be in jail for the crime. (or on trial at the very least)

I'm sticking with my "a friend of JAR did it" these days. The only other one I wonder about, but haven't seen much info on is JonBenét's grandfather. (PR's dad)

 

[leann coburn]

I live in Memphis and I went to a large southern baptist college. We have one of the largest southern baptist churches in memphis: Bellevue Baptist church. The school and the church are all controlled and overseen by the southern baptist convention. Having been through their system, I have chosen different beliefs. But any type of charismatic tilt would be highly frowned upon in southern baptists.

What's the difference between a southern baptist and a northern baptist? The northern baptist says "there ain't no hell" and the southern baptist says "the hell there ain't". That's how it goes.

jmo

 

[leann coburn]

I think the main fighting reason revolves around whether or not to believe in a "once saved, always saved" principle. Southern baptists in general believe if one is ever truly "saved" then there is no way to backslide. Personally, I beg to differ. I believe if we go out and murder or harm others, we are not okay w/the creator. The church would say "the devil made you do it" and that you could never sin enough to forfeit true salvation. I have to say HOGWASH. Sorry to offend, but it's a lie just like saying everyone is equal. Don't ever think it's okay to say us at WS are equal to a Peterson or a Bundy or Dahmer. Absolute communist bs, imo.

 

[leann coburn]

So if PR did this crime to her own daughter, in my opinion there is no redemption for her without public confession of what she has done. And I don't want her to be such a coward as to make it a deathbed confession. So the prevailing point here would be that there was nothing she could do to remove the guilt from herself if she is guilty. No, no saved by the cross for her without public acknowledgement of her act. She would have to be delusional to think that she would still play any role in religion, according to her own beliefs. We all know going to the episcopal church is just an extension of the type of teachings founded in the catholic church. And all christianity revolves around treating others as we would be treated. So I hope god is more gracious w/her than she was if she is guilty.


imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I always thought, according to the bible, that all sins were equal in God's eyes.

??? No?

 

[Sassi]

I'm from the South, a Southern Baptist, also. To what struggle do you refer amongst the Bible belt? I see no connection, but maybe you can explain better.

Ditto. I'm also from the South, a Southern Baptist, and cannot imagine myself or any other CHRISTIANS (not just Baptists) kiling a child then writing a convaluted 3 page RN with Biblical overtones encrypted in codes. It doesn't make sense.

I don't don't know what southern religious battle is supposed to be taking place down here that could be important enough to have engaged these EPISCOPALIANS in COLORADO. Even if they did formerly live in the South, this is a stretch.

Sassi

 

[Sassi]

There's Southern Baptist churches in every town all over the south. There's probably a First Baptist Church in every Texas town. They are not fundamentalists or at odds with any other Baptist churches and never did really get into the charismatic movement that I know of. There might have been some disagreements among the leaders of the Southern Baptist Texas leadership conventions at that time. My whole family is Southern Baptist and there's no way I could ever believe that this has anything to do with the murder. However, I wonder if Patsy grew up Baptist or was she always Episcopalian?

TXVICKIE is correct. We Baptists are not "wierd" at all. We're quite mainline. As a friend says, "There's more Baptists than there are people!"

There is nothing in the Southern Baptist faith to encourage the sacrificing or molesting of children in ANY way. Baptists are strongly rooted in faith, family, and fellowship with others. We are great people, not kooky at all. :blushing: We base our beliefs on the Bible itself and are not "ruled" by any external bodies. Each church is autonomous and makes its' own decisions.

I hope my description helps.

Sassi

 

[Sassi]

I always thought, according to the bible, that all sins were equal in God's eyes.

??? No?

According to the Bible, all sins ARE equal.

Could someone please explain to me why anyone thinks there is a connection between Southern Baptists, who do believe that once you are TRULY saved you are ALWAYS saved (The "once saved, always saved" theory) vs. ("Falling from grace," as some other denominations believe.) and the murder of a child in Colorado whose parents were Episopalians?

I don't get it.

Sassi

 

[leann coburn]

Sorry if I offended any southern baptists or anyone. My family is extremely involved with this church and all is fine. Are all sins equal? Certainly. But forgiveness comes from confession (if the sin is of a public nature, confession should be public) and repentance. So I cannot see how one would ever be forgiven if they did not confess and repent publicly. Certainly personal matters and shortcomings can be handled between the person and god w/prayer. But in my bible, public confession is called for in the case of any sin that is public enough to shed a bad light upon the church. In other words, the confession and the repentance must be as public as the sin.

But this still doesn't have anything to do with the murder of JBR, whose mother had chosen to leave the baptist church. Unlike many churches, baptists do not believe that any church will do. They are not generally open to the views of other churches, such as methodists, lutherans, catholics, etc.
So to leave the church would be a big sticking point here. She was not a baptist any more. It seems she was making up her own rituals and beliefs at this time.

jmo

 

[leann coburn]

Most baptists I know of refer to episcopalians as whiskopalians, because alcohol is not forbidden. They feel the same about catholics, but just add in idolatry.