17 y/o Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #20

[passionflower]

I don't know that they did forensics on the clothes, but I know from hearing Tracy Martin, they did a tox test on Trayvon.

I keep bringing up riots because I think they're preparing for them. There was an MSM article about riot strategizing. IMHO.

It seems to me if they planned to charge GZ with a crime, they would have done it already. But I could be wrong.

Did they do tox on GZ??? just wondering if he was under any influence???

 

[legalmania]

Have I missed why there is no grand jury tomorrow?
Are they having a coroner's inquest?
Sorry I was busy all day at the hospital and missed llot. TIA

Here's an article to explain it all instead of me trying to explain it.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-09/trayvon-martin-grand-jury/54135360/1

 

[Velouria]

I don't know that they did forensics on the clothes, but I know from hearing Tracy Martin, they did a tox test on Trayvon.

I keep bringing up riots because I think they're preparing for them. There was an MSM article about riot strategizing. IMHO.

It seems to me if they planned to charge GZ with a crime, they would have done it already. But I could be wrong.

I think it's a very good thing that the SP is taking her time and carefully reviewing all of the evidence before she makes her decision, whatever it may be.

 

[LambChop]

You can't trick me into another political thread in the basement.

Last time I was in one of those, vlpate was bashin my head on the floor and JeannaT had me in a figure 4 leg lock!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

But we can see you recovered nicely with all your good senses intact. jmo

 

[LolaMoon08]

I think it's a very good thing that the SP is taking her time and carefully reviewing all of the evidence before she makes her decision, whatever it may be.

Me too! I have a feeling that she had to personally send in evidence to be tested forensically!

MOO

 

[kimpage]

Perhaps so. Perhaps LE has an excellent reason for blowing this case off from the beginning.

If so, (in my opinion) they need to start presenting it to the public. Because, given their history of civil rights violations and racism, and given the known facts of this case, there is solid ground for a reasonable and rational concerned citizen to suspect that this department might be actively engaged in what might even be criminal miscondict and civil rights violations. In my opinion.

They LOOK corrupt as hell. They LOOK like flaming racists. They LOOK like they laughed off the murder of an innocent black kid. They LOOK like they lied to the parents of the victim. They LOOK like they have repeatedly lied to the people of their community. They LOOK like they are continuing their efforts to delay, distract, deceive, and deny justice.

LOOKS MATTER. It doesn't mean they have actually done any of those things, but it looks like they might have, and they need to answer for it now. Not a month from now, not a week from now. Now. Before another black kid gets killed on their watch.

In my opinion.

Wonderful post!! And i agree with you.. IMHO JMHO and all that

 

[Dr.Fessel]

You can't trick me into another political thread in the basement.

Last time I was in one of those, vlpate was bashin my head on the floor and JeannaT had me in a figure 4 leg lock!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I remember that!!!! Scared me so bad I had to leave!! :what::what:

 

[nancdru]

Hi, all. A newbie, and primarily a lurker, here. Like others, I didn't follow this case at first, but it bothers me to no end. After looking at the maps and the timelines and listening to the 911 calls, IMHO, GZ tracked TM down, attempted to restrain him physically, realized he couldn't, and resorted first to threatening him with the gun and then firing it, all the while knowing that SPD had been dispatched to the location and its arrival was imminent. So, from what I've read over these 20 threads, is my understanding correct that at the very end within a span of perhaps 2 minutes at most, GZ fired the fatal shot, had the presence of mind to reholster his weapon inside the waistband of his pants, and then stood straddled over TM's body with his hands pressed against his back as SPD arrived on the scene?

 

[suzihawk]

I copied and pasted it directly from GZ's site. That's the size of the font on his site. I tried to edit and resize but couldn't figure out how. Sorry. Maybe one of the mods can resize it?

I see it's been deleted altogether.

Just for clarification purposes, is it not allowed to quote from the site without linking? I'm tryin' to stay out of trouble here.

 

[legalmania]

I think it's a very good thing that the SP is taking her time and carefully reviewing all of the evidence before she makes her decision, whatever it may be.

I was watching the nightly news and saw she even took the time, and invited the Martin family inside to explain what this meant and I would guess to answer any questions they may have.

 

[Chris_Texas]

I don't know that they did forensics on the clothes, but I know from hearing Tracy Martin, they did a tox test on Trayvon.

I keep bringing up riots because I think they're preparing for them. There was an MSM article about riot strategizing. IMHO.

It seems to me if they planned to charge GZ with a crime, they would have done it already. But I could be wrong.

If they weren't they would be pretty foolish.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I can't imagine either why they haven't reached a decision by now, except to think the decision has been reached and they're strategizing about riots. I guess the tox tests are still out, but it seems they have all the witness statements they need, and cell phone evidence.

I tend to agree. I think they're hesitant to release information that is favorable to GZ. Seems anything favorable for TM is out there. People will be disappointed when there's not enough evidence to try GZ.

 

[thefragile7393]

I don't know that they did forensics on the clothes, but I know from hearing Tracy Martin, they did a tox test on Trayvon.

I keep bringing up riots because I think they're preparing for them. There was an MSM article about riot strategizing. IMHO.

It seems to me if they planned to charge GZ with a crime, they would have done it already. But I could be wrong.

Not necessarily...making sure you have all your ducks in a row is a good thing before you make a hypothetical arrest. It takes time..and we've seen that something too quick (aka a snap decision for no investigation) can cause a lot of trouble. It seems like she is being careful, which is good for both sides. A speedy arrest just to make the general populace happy will not do any good for Z, who does gave to right to a fair trial. Slowness is good...and it shows no indicator if there will or will not be an arrest.

 

[songline]

Perhaps so. Perhaps LE has an excellent reason for blowing this case off from the beginning.

If so, (in my opinion) they need to start presenting it to the public. Because, given their history of civil rights violations and racism, and given the known facts of this case, there is solid ground for a reasonable and rational concerned citizen to suspect that this department might be actively engaged in what might even be criminal miscondict and civil rights violations. In my opinion.

They LOOK corrupt as hell. They LOOK like flaming racists. They LOOK like they laughed off the murder of an innocent black kid. They LOOK like they lied to the parents of the victim. They LOOK like they have repeatedly lied to the people of their community. They LOOK like they are continuing their efforts to delay, distract, deceive, and deny justice.

LOOKS MATTER. It doesn't mean they have actually done any of those things, but it looks like they might have, and they need to answer for it now. Not a month from now, not a week from now. Now. Before another black kid gets killed on their watch.

In my opinion.

Sounds like a great idea, I guess we are just waiting for the investigation to tell us if there will be a case. because if so? then they cant come out and tell us yet.

 

[LolaMoon08]

hi, all. A newbie, and primarily a lurker, here. Like others, i didn't follow this case at first, but it bothers me to no end. After looking at the maps and the timelines and listening to the 911 calls, imho, gz tracked tm down, attempted to restrain him physically, realized he couldn't, and resorted first to threatening him with the gun and then firing it, all the while knowing that spd had been dispatched to the location and its arrival was imminent. So, from what i've read over these 20 threads, is my understanding correct that at the very end within a span of perhaps 2 minutes at most, gz fired the fatal shot, had the presence of mind to reholster his weapon inside the waistband of his pants, and then stood straddled over tm's body with his hands pressed against his back as spd arrived on the scene?

:welcome:

 

[jaded cat]

It is my understanding, and I may be wrong, that GZ was within legal bounds to follow TM. Apparently, following someone is not against the law. It does not matter whether TM did or did not do anything suspicious to catch GZ's interest. What matters is that there was a confrontation (that GZ says TM started) and GZ claims he felt in fear of his life.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

You are correct. You can certainly follow someone if you so desire. What isn't likely is that you won't be confronted for doing that. When I was younger, I most certainly would have run my a$$ off to get away from that person. Nowadays, I'd just turn around and tell them to buzz off.

JMO, MOO, IMHO, TM didn't start the confrontation or assault GZ. How convenient for GZ that the only other witness to what happened is DEAD. Shot a close range, in the chest. Armed with only his fists. None of GZ's story makes sense to me, other than the part where he, armed with a gun, began to pursue a young, black man through the complex.

TM lived in Florida so let us assume for the moment that he was familiar with the SYG law. However much any of you want to deny this, there is an automatic response to young black men in a neighborhood, especially if you don't know them. He is a visitor at someone's home. He's been to the store and he's on his way home. He's 17, out by himself and talking on his cellphone with his girlfriend. He notices he's being watched and then followed by someone he doesn't know. He's unfamiliar with the complex and is trying to get his bearings so he can get back home.

What do you imagine his first reaction would be? Fear? Anger? Uncertainty? He puffs up his 17 yo chest and turns to fight someone who he may think is carrying a gun? My money is on him trying to run. I have been wrong before and I may be wrong about this but that's how I see it.

:moo: Every time I post

 

[Chris_Texas]

Did they do tox on GZ??? just wondering if he was under any influence???

People have been saying that they did not. Not sure of the source for this.

 

[kimpage]

You are correct. You can certainly follow someone if you so desire. What isn't likely is that you won't be confronted for doing that. When I was younger, I most certainly would have run my a$$ off to get away from that person. Nowadays, I'd just turn around and tell them to buzz off.

JMO, MOO, IMHO, TM didn't start the confrontation or assault GZ. How convenient for GZ that the only other witness to what happened is DEAD. Shot a close range, in the chest. Armed with only his fists. None of GZ's story makes sense to me, other than the part where he, armed with a gun, began to pursue a young, black man through the complex.

TM lived in Florida so let us assume for the moment that he was familiar with the SYG law. However much any of you want to deny this, there is an automatic response to young black men in a neighborhood, especially if you don't know them. He is a visitor at someone's home. He's been to the store and he's on his way home. He's 17, out by himself and talking on his cellphone with his girlfriend. He notices he's being watched and then followed by someone he doesn't know. He's unfamiliar with the complex and is trying to get his bearings so he can get back home.

What do you imagine his first reaction would be? Fear? Anger? Uncertainty? He puffs up his 17 yo chest and turns to fight someone who he may think is carrying a gun? My money is on him trying to run. I have been wrong before and I may be wrong about this but that's how I see it.

:moo: Every time I post

I agree 100% IMHO

 

[suzihawk]

Hi, all. A newbie, and primarily a lurker, here. Like others, I didn't follow this case at first, but it bothers me to no end. After looking at the maps and the timelines and listening to the 911 calls, IMHO, GZ tracked TM down, attempted to restrain him physically, realized he couldn't, and resorted first to threatening him with the gun and then firing it, all the while knowing that SPD had been dispatched to the location and its arrival was imminent. So, from what I've read over these 20 threads, is my understanding correct that at the very end within a span of perhaps 2 minutes at most, GZ fired the fatal shot, had the presence of mind to reholster his weapon inside the waistband of his pants, and then stood straddled over TM's body with his hands pressed against his back as SPD arrived on the scene?

:Welcome1:

 

[uvamerica]

Perhaps so. Perhaps LE has an excellent reason for blowing this case off from the beginning.

If so, (in my opinion) they need to start presenting it to the public. Because, given their history of civil rights violations and racism, and given the known facts of this case, there is solid ground for a reasonable and rational concerned citizen to suspect that this department might be actively engaged in what might even be criminal miscondict and civil rights violations. In my opinion.

They LOOK corrupt as hell. They LOOK like flaming racists. They LOOK like they laughed off the murder of an innocent black kid. They LOOK like they lied to the parents of the victim. They LOOK like they have repeatedly lied to the people of their community. They LOOK like they are continuing their efforts to delay, distract, deceive, and deny justice.

LOOKS MATTER. It doesn't mean they have actually done any of those things, but it looks like they might have, and they need to answer for it now. Not a month from now, not a week from now. Now. Before another black kid gets killed on their watch.

In my opinion.

I agree with your post, and this is the reason I believe this investigation is taking so long.
Heads are gonna roll !

:moo: