17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[CathyinTexas]

It could, but GZ isn't saying that. He is saying that he was walking back to his car when TM confronted him, asked if he had a problem, and when GZ responded no; TM said well you do now and decked him.

I tend to go by what I heard myself. I heard GZ in a layed back fashion, describing Trayvon to the dispatcher, and then start pursuit, ignoring the dispatcher's suggestion not to do that. I heard Trayvon's girlfriend's story that he was talking to her the whole time. He thought he lost the man following him (GZ) and then she heard that he was there, and Trayvon asked him why he was following him, and he demanded to know what he was doing there, and then she heard what she believed to be Trayvon being pushed. I believe that scenario. Now after that, they probably did get into a scuffle. Then I heard Mary Cutcher and her roommate both state they believe it was Trayvon screaming for help and that Trayvon was not killed in self defense. I do not believe GZ's story to police.

 

[tpgks]

The article you quote above says " suspected of containing marijuana" and a previous article said that the empty baggie was enough to trigger the school's zeo tolerance policy. I don't personally believe that a little pot is a big deal, although I don't partake, but this is a lot of furor over an empty baggie. Imo

I do not believe a little bit of pot is a big deal either, but the fact that he had it on school grounds, and that both the parents and the lawyer lied about it in multiple interviews makes one wonder about how honest they are about other things.

 

[CathyinTexas]

So Trayvon's act of violence was justified?

Trayvon was acting in self defense so that answer would be yes, if indeed he was violent. My opinion only.

 

[Donjeta]

Thanks for the links but I am aware that humans can't run 700fps... Of course, there's no evidence that he pulled the gun on TM

No evidence that he pulled the gun? Do you think Trayvon might have shot himself?

 

[m00c0w]

Why did GZ have to defend himself?

Because some big guy allegedly sucker-punched him and started beating his head into the ground?

 

[LolaMoon08]

This is what I believe happened and I am only stating it as my opinion.

Trayvon walks into the complex (should be on video tape).

Zimmerman, the ever alert one, notices Trayvon.

***I have come to the conclusion, from the 911 transcripts, that everyone was suspicious to Zimmerman and it didn't take a lot to put him on edge. Yes, it appears that black kids were the main focus of his suspicions, but I believe there was a white or hispanic sprinkled in some of the calls. It is my opinion that he has not been a stable person for a long time***

Zimmerman, was going to find anything suspicious about Trayvon. Anything. He could have picked his nose and Zimmerman would have seen it as suspicious. So he follows Trayvon

Trayvon notices Zimmerman following him.

Zimmerman notices Trayvon noticing him and it turns into: "Yeah, he's checking me out."

Zimmerman starts to slowly follow Trayvon in his car.

Trayvon runs/walks fast.

Zimmerman speeds up. Loses sight of Trayvon. Jumps out of his car.

Zimmerman now follows Trayon on foot. Trayvon thinks he's lost Zimmerman (the only mistake Trayvon made, imo)

Zimmerman walks in a fast pace to cut him off and they possibly come face to face

Trayvon asks "Why are you following me?

Zimmerman, while pulling the gun out of his waistband, asks Trayvon "What are you doing here?"

Trayvon's instinct is to push Zimmerman. Zimmerman grabs Trayvon's shirt. The phone falls from his hands/or hoodie pocket. Goes dead. Trayvon swings around and punches Zimmerman. Zimmerman falls back. Hits his head. Trayvon jumps on top of Zimmerman and tries to wrestle the gun away from Zimmerman. Zimmerman gets the upper hand and shoots Trayvon.

*** This is what I believe happened. It is my opinion. ***

 

[mikeysmommom]

Why did GZ have to defend himself?

He was attacked.

 

[HMSHood]

Convicting George Zimmerman may not be easy: Fla. prosecutor
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...rge-zimmerman-may-not-be-easy-fla-prosecutor/

 

[CathyinTexas]

That, or IF gun makers didn't make guns, or IF the Second Amendment didn't give citizens the right to bear arms, as you can see the IFs are endless.

I personally don't own a gun. I do support the right of law abiding citizens to bear arms. I believe if guns were illegal the criminals would still have them and then use them on law abiding citizens.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

"With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_arizona-iced-tea-suv-unarmed-black-teenager

I'm reading this as the police going with GZ's accounting of events.

Who is that unnamed authority and through how many people did he learn this? Is this "authority" zimmermans lawyer?

 

[RoseRed]

Yes, I'll bet Trayvon's family is just sitting around yukking it up over that one.

TM wasn't a gang member and wasn't the one with the gun.

He is not 12 years old either. He is considered an adult at 17.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Why did GZ have to defend himself?

TM was slamming his head on a sidewalk evidently.

 

[m00c0w]

Who is that unnamed authority and through how many people did he learn this? Is this "authority" zimmermans lawyer?

I thought that "authorities" generally referred to the police in this context?

 

[LolaMoon08]

He is not 12 years old either. He is considered an adult at 17.

My 17-year-old niece is not considered an adult? She can not vote? She can not buy cigarettes? She is protected under "Child Labor Laws" at her job? What makes my niece so different from Trayvon?

 

[wishuwerehere]

Because some big guy allegedly sucker-punched him and started beating his head into the ground?

LOL! Once again - debatable. This is the story from the guy with the gun. Dead men tell no tales.

If GZ was getting his azz whipped it was because he was stalking a teenager in the dark and forced Trayvon to stand HIS ground.

GZ had no right to pull out a gun on Trayvon because Trayvon was simply defending HIMSELF.

GZ needs to be arrested and charged accordingly.

jmo

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I tend to go by what I heard myself. I heard GZ in a layed back fashion, describing Trayvon to the dispatcher, and then start pursuit, ignoring the dispatcher's suggestion not to do that. I heard Trayvon's girlfriend's story that he was talking to her the whole time. He thought he lost the man following him (GZ) and then she heard that he was there, and Trayvon asked him why he was following him, and he demanded to know what he was doing there, and then she heard what she believed to be Trayvon being pushed. I believe that scenario. Now after that, they probably did get into a scuffle. Then I heard Mary Cutcher and her roommate both state they believe it was Trayvon screaming for help and that Trayvon was not killed in self defense. I do not believe GZ's story to police.

Do you think the police are covering for GZ?

 

[Inabsentia]

Is the one supposed to be a yearbook picture? It's been a while since high school, but from what I recall, yearbooks didn't come out until the end of the school year.

That seems to be some kind of school id. You can see the hole and the bottom of some kind of clip at the top.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Yes, I'll bet Trayvon's family is just sitting around yukking it up over that one.

TM wasn't a gang member and wasn't the one with the gun.

He's also not the one with a recorded history of violence!

 

[m00c0w]

LOL! Once again - debatable. This is the story from the guy with the gun. Dead men tell no tales.

If GZ was getting his azz whipped it was because he was stalking a teenager in the dark and forced Trayvon to stand HIS ground.

GZ had no right to pull out a gun on Trayvon because Trayvon was simply defending HIMSELF.

GZ needs to be arrested and charged accordingly.

jmo

So you believe that Martin had a right to kill Zimmerman because Zimmerman was following him for a little bit?

 

[m00c0w]

He's also not the one with a recorded history of violence!

That you know of. He was only 17. Juvenile records are sealed. JMO