17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[m00c0w]

Dahmer and Gacy both had victims that tall

And I don't believe Zimmerman ever offered Martin alcohol or a ride in his car.

 

[Velouria]

i just don't understand why the media is only distributing pictures of trayvon at 12yrs old. The picture's i've seen, show tats, gold teeth, and completely different image than what is being fed to us thru the media.

at this point, i just don't know what to think?

What about the boy in kansas city that was set on fire feb. 29th for being white? how come that's not being reported? This is all so crazy :waitasec:

BBM

I'm not following you. If it wasn't being reported then how did you find out about it?

I did hear about this horrific attack when it happened and would agree it should be prosecuted as a hate crime. The difference is that the attackers were/are unknown, unlike Trayvon's case where the police knew the shooter but refused to make an arrest.

I haven't seen any pictures of TM with tats, but since he was wearing a long sleeved hoodie the night of the shooting, how would that even be relevant if accurate?

 

[HiHater]

He's a criminal justice student, not a law student. CJ is a broad program that covers everything from law enforcement to the court system to the prison system. It more focuses on the offenders, why they do what they do, and how they make their way through the justice system. I'm not even sure SYG would be covered in any great way.

JMO as a former CJ major

Wanted to chime in here...criminal justice programs do cover laws, and I would think that a law like that having recently been passed would have/could have been the focus of a class or at least a few lectures.

The penal code, as it is called here and probably many other states, is central to a criminal justice program. There are programs that focus on specific things like policing, management, supervision, corrections, etc. But to understand the criminal justice system as a whole, you have to first understand what crime is---and that is laid out in penal codes and statutes.

Basically, I think having a major in criminal justice would absolutely give you an edge when you have been accused of a crime. I tell myself allllll the time that I should have just went to law school, because a majority of what I'm learning at this level seems like I am headed down that road...

Speaking as a current Masters degree candidate, with a criminal justice major...

 

[tk71texas]

the truth is not being reported in my opinion....and that what it is, my opinion.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Dahmer and Gacy both had victims that tall

They used free drugs to subdue their victims.

 

[rhornsby]

Wanted to chime in here...criminal justice programs do cover laws, and I would think that a law like that having recently been passed would have/could have been the focus of a class or at least a few lectures.

The penal code, as it is called here and probably many other states, is central to a criminal justice program. There are programs that focus on specific things like policing, management, supervision, corrections, etc. But to understand the criminal justice system as a whole, you have to first understand what crime is---and that is laid out in penal codes and statutes.

Basically, I think having a major in criminal justice would absolutely give you an edge when you have been accused of a crime. I tell myself allllll the time that I should have just went to law school, because a majority of what I'm learning at this level seems like I am headed down that road...

Speaking as a current Masters degree candidate, with a criminal justice major...

What is your assumption based off of? In addition to my law degree, I have a Masters of Science in Criminal Justice from UCF and not one of my classes covered laws. Rather it covered general topics related to the administration of criminal justice programs: prisons, probation, corrections, etc. And that was a master program.

Again, many of you are just saying things to try and support your conclusions about GZ's guilt. The fact is that no school has any class or curriculum on Florida's Stand Your Ground law; much less Seminole State Community College.

I thought this forum required facts before jumping to conclusions.

 

[HiHater]

What past evidence suggests that GZ was looking for a fight. In all of the 46 other 911 calls he made, there is not one report that suggests he confronted a suspect in a hostile manner.

The evidence in THIS case suggests he was looking for a fight...

"These a**holes always get away"

"Are you following him?" "Yes" "We don't need you to do that." "Okay." [continues to follow]

"effng ______"

 

[m00c0w]

Wanted to chime in here...criminal justice programs do cover laws, and I would think that a law like that having recently been passed would have/could have been the focus of a class or at least a few lectures.

The penal code, as it is called here and probably many other states, is central to a criminal justice program. There are programs that focus on specific things like policing, management, supervision, corrections, etc. But to understand the criminal justice system as a whole, you have to first understand what crime is---and that is laid out in penal codes and statutes.

Basically, I think having a major in criminal justice would absolutely give you an edge when you have been accused of a crime. I tell myself allllll the time that I should have just went to law school, because a majority of what I'm learning at this level seems like I am headed down that road...

Speaking as a current Masters degree candidate, with a criminal justice major...

A criminal justice program is not a pre-law program. I have never gone over anything but a cursory look at laws in my major-related classes, which makes sense. Laws varies from state to state, municipality to municipality. It's not like you're going to be taking the bar.

As I stated before, it's a holistic look at the entire justice system. Are some laws covered? Sure, but not in any grand or extensive way. You'd certainly learn more researching them yourself if that's your desire.

 

[Velouria]

the truth is not being reported in my opinion....and that what it is, my opinion.

I share you opinion, though I'm not sure we'd agree on who's doing the false reporting.

 

[HiHater]

What is your assumption based off of? In addition to my law degree, I have a Masters of Science in Criminal Justice from UCF and not one of my classes covered laws. Rather it covered general topics related to the administration of criminal justice programs: prisons, probation, corrections, etc. And that was a master program.

Again, many of you are just saying things to try and support your conclusions about GZ's guilt. The fact is that no school has any class or curriculum on Florida's Stand Your Ground law; much less Seminole State Community College.

I thought this forum required facts before jumping to conclusions.

I just spelled out what my assumption was based off of...You don't have to agree, as you well know different programs will have cover different things in their curriculum.

I presented FACTS based off my own schooling, and never said that GZ absolutely took a class regarding that law. My position is that it is not outside the realm of possibility.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I'll say it again;


"Either way, if he just reported it like he was supposed to - the kid would be alive today."

Well that's ignoring some pretty relevant facts. If Trayvon hadn't have attacked GZ, GZ wouldn't have had to defend himself.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Except the bloody nose and swollen lip that law enforcement saw with their own eyes.

Unless of course you think he is diabolical enough to have struck himself in the face after the shooting so he could argue TM attacked him first.

So you just rule out the possibility that Zimmerman who went after this guy who he needs to chase because they always get away, could not have started the fight by grabbing Trayvon to make sure he did not get away?

When the autopsy comes back and if Trayvon has bruises, bloody nose or swollen lip it would mean nothing?

All we have is an unnamed authority and PD sources in a newspaper article quoting double or triple hearsay and a police report that says Zimmerman was bleeding from the front and back of the head but leaves out where injuries were on Trayvon.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_arizona-iced-tea-suv-unarmed-black-teenager

 

[HiHater]

A criminal justice program is not a pre-law program. I have never gone over anything but a cursory look at laws in my major-related classes, which makes sense. Laws varies from state to state, municipality to municipality. It's not like you're going to be taking the bar.

As I stated before, it's a holistic look at the entire justice system. Are some laws covered? Sure, but not in any grand or extensive way. You'd certainly learn more researching them yourself if that's your desire.

That may be true for you, but I am currently taking a legal research class that is required for me to graduate...Legal research = laws. A whole class and 20 page term paper covering nothing but laws and how they have been affected by Supreme Court cases.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

i just don't understand why the media is only distributing pictures of trayvon at 12yrs old. The picture's i've seen, show tats, gold teeth, and completely different image than what is being fed to us thru the media.

at this point, i just don't know what to think?

What about the boy in kansas city that was set on fire feb. 29th for being white? how come that's not being reported? This is all so crazy :waitasec:

And the picture of GZ is an outdated, scruffy looking mugshot. The media is playing up the perceived racial aspect of the case by manipulating the public's perceptions.

 

[mikeysmommom]

What is your assumption based off of? In addition to my law degree, I have a Masters of Science in Criminal Justice from UCF and not one of my classes covered laws. Rather it covered general topics related to the administration of criminal justice programs: prisons, probation, corrections, etc. And that was a master program.

Again, many of you are just saying things to try and support your conclusions about GZ's guilt. The fact is that no school has any class or curriculum on Florida's Stand Your Ground law; much less Seminole State Community College.

I thought this forum required facts before jumping to conclusions.

:yourock:

 

[Velouria]

Well that's ignoring some pretty relevant facts. If Trayvon hadn't have attacked GZ, GZ wouldn't have had to defend himself.

You cannot possibly know for a fact that TM wasn't defending himself from GZ's attack.

 

[m00c0w]

I share you opinion, though I'm not sure we'd agree on who's doing the false reporting.

I fully believe that there is one constant that "both" sides can agree on, and that's that the media has been doing a less than thorough job of divulging information they have.

 

[m00c0w]

That may be true for you, but I am currently taking a legal research class that is required for me to graduate...Legal research = laws. A whole class and 20 page term paper covering nothing but laws and how they have been affected by Supreme Court cases.

And what is your major?

 

[Fishee]

Well that's ignoring some pretty relevant facts. If Trayvon hadn't have attacked GZ, GZ wouldn't have had to defend himself.

Every case needs a Devil's Advocate but this is a little much.

 

[HiHater]

I also wanted to point out that the LAW itself does not preclude a person from striking first.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

So if Trayvon thought using force was necessary to prevent an unlawful attack upon himself, he was within his legal right to use such force. He could have been standing his ground. He had been followed, by an unknown person, and could have believed he was about to be attacked.

GZ's version of events is probably not new to the people actually involved in this case, and if it was as clear cut as "Trayvon punched him in the nose" end of story, we would not be where we are today..:twocents: