17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[LolaMoon08]

Certainly not approach him, punch him in the face, and then straddle him. It would make more sense that the gun was not seen until after the altercation started. There is nothing to point to Zimmerman having had the weapon out before the fight. I'm pretty sure it would have been mentioned in the phone call with the girlfriend if that was the case.

Zimmerman catches back up with Trayvon, the girlfriend hear Trayvon ask: Why are you following me?

Zimmerman replies: What are you doing here? (could have pulled the gun at this very moment)

Girlfriend hears pushing/struggling and the phone goes dead.

That is what makes the most sense to me.

 

[m00c0w]

Yes. ITA. But, as I understand it (and IANAL), self defense requires retreat. IMO, GZ used unreasonable force but as I understand it (and IANAL) stand your ground allows unreasonable force. JMO, of course.

ETA: FWIW, I have heard lawyers, one was GZ's I believe, say that his case is more of a self defense case than a stand your ground case.

You can't retreat when someone is straddling you, pounding on your face. That's where plain 'ol self defense comes in.

 

[Isabelle]

Zimmerman also aggressively attacked a police officer and put his hands on him unprovoked. He also sounded very aggressive and angry on the 911 call. he does not go back to his truck the entire 911 call.

Where did this come from? Not that I need a link, but first I've heard of it.

 

[LolaMoon08]

He was never convicted of this. The record was also expunged, so I'm not sure where you got these "facts" surrounding the arrest. JMO

But it happened! He did some kind of diversion program! He assaulted a police officer. And then the domestic violence incident. Just because he was not arrested (which seems to be his luck with most things) doesn't mean it did not happen.

 

[HiHater]

I can agree with that. It also doesn't make sense why he'd lie about something like that if he was clearly somewhere that wouldn't seem plausible.

Then again, why would the father lie about something that's easily verifiable? I guess he could have assumed the school/police wouldn't release that information. JMO

lol When you said why would the father lie, I immediately assumed you were talking about Zimmerman's father when he said George never followed or confronted Trayvon.

I need to slow down! but yes, I agree there was no need to lie about the suspension. It just makes people doubt things.

 

[vlpate]

Well if they show a mugshot of GZ, shouldn't they have shown the pics of TM with the tats, grill, sagging pants and flipping off the camera? Seems like that would be fair.

Just FYI, the pic flipping the bird is a different Trayvon Martin. Not sure about the one with the grill, they seem associated though.

 

[LinasK]

You can't retreat when someone is straddling you, pounding on your face. That's where plain 'ol self defense comes in.

There has been no proof when, or who inflicted the injuries upon George Zimmerman. I happen to believe he is capable of inflicting them on himself...

 

[JeannaT]

So Zimmerman did confront Trayvon with the gun?

I don't think so, but maybe.

He had it in his waistband when the cops arrived. I think that's probably where it was when he was attacked, and in the process of beating George up and getting on top of him, the gun became evident.

 

[m00c0w]

Zimmerman catches back up with Trayvon, the girlfriend hear Trayvon ask: Why are you following me?

Zimmerman replies: What are you doing here? (could have pulled the gun at this very moment)

Girlfriend hears pushing/struggling and the phone goes dead.

That is what makes the most sense to me.

Then why didn't Zimmerman shoot him almost immediately? Or why wasn't there reactionary/reflexive fire? That timeline doesn't add up to me.

 

[JeannaT]

There has been no proof when, or who inflicted the injuries upon George Zimmerman. I happen to believe he is capable of inflicting them on himself...

While people are watching?

 

[m00c0w]

There has been no proof when, or who inflicted the injuries upon George Zimmerman. I happen to believe he is capable of inflicting them on himself...

Was this when all of the witnesses were watching him pace back and forth, or after the officers wrote up their report and SFD inspected him?

 

[SuziQ]

The father said it was for being in a restricted area of the school. Is that not attempting to mislead?

Let me phraise that differently. Intentionally mislead K? Maybe his father spoke to the teacher who said it was tardiness? His father was not the full time parent here and lived a couple of hundreds of miles away from Trayvon.

 

[HiHater]

Thanks for the eta adding the link.

While we are on this subject, just an FYI -

Sorry, but every photo has to be linked to its original source for a few reasons. The most important one is to give credit to the original source. Additionally, we have been made aware of certain photos making their way via the web that are being presented as TM but have since been proven to not be TM.

So, please....if you want to post a photo, have the link handy.

:tyou:

Are we allowed to link to Facebook?

 

[LolaMoon08]

I don't think so, but maybe.

He had it in his waistband when the cops arrived. I think that's probably where it was when he was attacked, and in the process of beating George up and getting on top of him, the gun became evident.

Really? Because he had it in his waistband when police arrived that means that he had it in his waistband when he caught back up with Trayvon? For all we know, he could have immediately taken the gun out of the holster while searching for his suspect? That's what cops do?

 

[mikeysmommom]

The photo of George Zimmerman in the reddish-orange shirt is a booking photo from 2005. Is there a current booking photo, or was one taken?

They did not book him the night of the shooting.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Then why didn't Zimmerman shoot him almost immediately? Or why wasn't there reactionary/reflexive fire? That timeline doesn't add up to me.

Because Trayvon fought back?

 

[m00c0w]

But it happened! He did some kind of diversion program! He assaulted a police officer. And then the domestic violence incident. Just because he was not arrested (which seems to be his luck with most things) doesn't mean it did not happen.

He was charged with assaulting an officer. That doesn't mean he was guilty. Same with the domestic violence incident. If anything came of it, he wouldn't legally be able to own a gun.

And this was all what, 7 years ago?

 

[HiHater]

Just FYI, the pic flipping the bird is a different Trayvon Martin. Not sure about the one with the grill, they seem associated though.

wow...then I apologize if I have posted inaccurate photos!

 

[SuziQ]

His Twitter and Facebook accounts were deleted. They were reported to have many references to life/culture on them. Someone posted links to caches in the previous thread. I imagine it all made Martin look bad, so the family/lawyer deleted them.

I don't think it made Martin look bad at all. However, I can see family and the lawyer deleting those pages since there is so much victim blaming going on as it is.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

So let me get this straight?

Say I came across Casey Anthony randomly walking down my neighborhood street? I know we have a lot of children who live here? She is acting suspiciously to me... so I follow her? She runs? Why would she RUN? So I get out of my car, with a gun, and take a shortcut (I live here, she doesn't) so I can catch back up with her. She asks me, "Why are you following me?" and she decks me one? I can shoot and kill her, right? Perfect defense, right? Not! I would be in jail! Even if it was Casey Anthony!

Give me a break!

And I am not advocating for anyone to do this to Casey Anthony!

If she was on top of you slamming your head on a sidewalk, I would think so.