17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[JeannaT]

It's not a crime and certainly not a death sentence to act suspicious.

You're absolutely right there - and had he not attacked GZ, he would be alive today. GZ doesn't have to give up his life because he finds someone suspicious and calls the cops and follows the suspicious looking person. That's what this comes down to - GZ didn't just have to take it if he had a means to defend himself.

 

[doubt]

Had to have a strong odor or residue.If it had previously held a twinkie I would think parents would have fought the suspension,that stays in his school records. I know I would have fought it if it was not true.Just because their are no records available does not mean TM is squeaky clean ,just means because he is under 18 they aren't public.

trayvon's school suspension is entirely relevant and the fact that it's even being discussed here is pathetic. i don't recall ever hearing his parents claim the boy was perfect. however, he was no less human than any other and the fact that his killer treated him as less than that is no excuse for him to be smeared in death. especially here.

imo, moo etc. etc.

 

[JeannaT]

I'm not sure this has been addressed before... How do we know what Martin was doing? There's been the same statement since day one saying he was coming back from the store after buying a drink and candy, but where does this information come from? I thought his parents weren't aware of specifics about what he was doing?

The father stated he left at halftime from a basketball game, which is not true, so we don't really know at all when he left or where all he was going. We don't know at all what he was doing.

 

[iluvmua]

The point is to tell the truth. That's the point.

It's likely, looking at the reality of Trayvon vs. how his parents portrayed him, it's likely GZ is completely and totally innocent of all these things that he's been threatened with death for.

It's likely that GZ saw something that a reasonable person would find suspicious, and in following him, got attacked and then had to defend himself with his gun.

It's likely.

I'm not playing devil's advocate. I'm playing GZ's advocate, and he's not the devil. And I've been doing this for a long time and now it appears there is reason to believe GZ over Trayvon's family.

my point too! for some reason, maybe TM's parents will think that people will not like their son or say that his death was justified if they don't pull the "innocent" child part.

why they want to portray him as an angel and not a human who has flaws..... i don't get.

 

[Adrienne37]

I've been gone much of the day so I'm not understanding why we are discussing a minor's school record, much less that of a victim or is it that Trayvon is not considered a victim any longer because he had been suspended from school? This case has gone seriously downhill from earlier this morning and I'm actually very disturbed to see that the person who is murdered is now being slandered on this board. Very depressing.


~jmo~

 

[jjenny]

It's not a crime and certainly not a death sentence to act suspicious.

But GZ does have a right to defend himself under FL law. He can defend himself with a deadly force (which is what he claims he was doing).
Prosecution has to have evidence that contradicts that if they want to charge GZ with a crime, and not just because public pressures them to do so.

 

[vlpate]

Well, he wasn't shot because he was suspended, he was slamming a guy's head on a sidewalk.

You are obviously not familiar with the law that states you can slam someones head on the ground and pummel them if they follow you. If they ask you a question, and you don't like it, bonus! you are then allowed to punch them in the nose and beat their head on the ground. In fact, we are going to change the law to permit you to beat them unconscious, and there's nothing they can do about it. They just have to take it and hope for the best.

.ETA: Screaming help will get them N O W H E R E - keep pummeling!!

 

[LambChop]

It sounds like in Miami the kids in schools don't get charged with crimes when they are caught.

In our high school, in Williamson County TX, Trayvon would have an ADULT criminal record for defacing school property, and paraphenalia on school property which is a class B misdemeanor. And 17 is an adult here. I'm just sayin'. For all the statements his family and lawyer have made that he's squeaky clean, he's darn lucky he's in Miami and not here. He'd have probation for the defacing of school property, and then when the second crime of paraphenalia in a school zone was found, while he would have been on probation, he'd probably face some jail time. As an adult. That with his prior record of truancy, which is also a crime, that his parents would have been charged with here.

I don't know what the jewelry is about. I suspect strongly it was involved in a crime somehow or he'd have just said whose it was.

This really casts him in a different light. What WAS he doing when GZ came upon him? It seems quite likely he was trying to shake GZ because he knew the cops were called. It seems quite likely to me that GZ did ID himself as neighborhood watch, and that made Trayvon flee - not out of fear of an attacker, but fear of again getting caught doing . . . something. Or just general distrust of LE. It seems at this point he wasn't in fear that this pudgy Crime watch guy made Trayvon believe he would be attacked or mugged.

I never heard GZ identify himself on the call to the dispatcher. I never heard GZ tell the dispatcher he was carrying a loaded weapon, you know, a friendly FYI to the responding officer as a courtesy. What I did hear was the dispatcher telling him he did not need to follow. Then I heard GZ say, okay (as in affirmative). GZ did not know who TM was and what do we hear rude comments about someone he did not know but had already judged as a F***en goon. So it is pretty clear GZ had a major attitude, which we can here on the recording. The chance of him approaching TM in a respectful manner were probably pretty slim. GZ already admitted to dispatch when he gave his address just how fearful his was of this druggie dude because he didn't know who he was.

If GZ were acting as a NW person that night he knew what the rules were. If GZ was acting on his own he put the lives of other's in jeopardy as well.

This is a man who called LE about kids playing kickball in the street. jmo

 

[Horace Finklestein]

They WHO?

The Family doesn't, they have asked people to NOT riot or cause problems, to obey the law, they have said that they don't even want an eye for an eye, but they want this incident investigated as it would have been if it had been the City Managers child.

And the fact that it is month since their child died and they don't know the facts is proof that they are NOT being unreasonable. IMO JMHO and stuff

ETA: If all they wanted was revenge, then a little heated rhetoric, and they could have had riots....The NBPP would have assisted them, and they could have had massive riots, but all the way they have called for calm, and peaceful demonstrations, and for answers to their questions...That is soooo far from revenge IMO...

So how does she magically know how the City manager's child's murder would be investigated? I find that inflammatory. They are making allegations against the police and they were told what happened that night. The police believe GZ's story about being jumped. I suspect they may not like any new facts that come out because they may also favor GZ's story.

 

[vlpate]

I've been gone much of the day so I'm not understanding why we are discussing a minor's school record, much less that of a victim or is it that Trayvon is not considered a victim any longer because he had been suspended from school? This case has gone seriously downhill from earlier this morning and I'm actually very disturbed to see that the person who is murdered is now being slandered on this board. Very depressing.

~jmo~

Here's a bit of information that might help.

"While in life Trayvon Martin was barely 17, when it comes to justifiable homicide his size -- about 6-foot-3 and 150 pounds -- makes him an adult in death."

Until there's an arrest and Zimmerman is convicted, the case is just that, justifiable homicide.

Link

 

[HiHater]

An expunged charge is supposed to be as if it did not exist. To me, that seems like a leak.

To my knowledge, arrest information itself is not expunged. We don't see the disposition online do we?

 

[iluvmua]

I hope Le eventually gets down to the bottom of this.

 

[rbrnmw2]

The father stated he left at halftime from a basketball game, which is not true, so we don't really know at all when he left or where all he was going. We don't know at all what he was doing.

how do you know it's not true? this incident happened around 7:30 ish

He very could have went to 7-11 at half-time

 

[Isabelle]

It's been stated by the law that they don't know where George Zimmerman is. What happens if they need to talk to him?

 

[jjenny]

how do you know it's not true? this incident happened around 7:30 ish

He very could have went to 7-11 at half-time

Other articles have claimed he went to the store before the game started.

 

[iluvmua]

Why didn't TM go bang on some houses if there was a guy following him with a gun?

 

[Isabelle]

The father stated he left at halftime from a basketball game, which is not true, so we don't really know at all when he left or where all he was going. We don't know at all what he was doing.

How would you know this is not true? Who know what the father might have said after being told his son was dead. One does not act as though nothing happened upon hearing these words, your son has been killed. I know, I've been there.

 

[vlpate]

a friendly FYI to the responding officer as a courtesy.

I've seen you post this a couple of times, just fyi, GZ didn't call 911 after the shooting.

 

[LambChop]

I've been gone much of the day so I'm not understanding why we are discussing a minor's school record, much less that of a victim or is it that Trayvon is not considered a victim any longer because he had been suspended from school? This case has gone seriously downhill from earlier this morning and I'm actually very disturbed to see that the person who is murdered is now being slandered on this board. Very depressing.


~jmo~

That happened in Oct of last year and TM was never arrested so either the kid who TM was protecting came forward and confessed or LE was not able to find a report of that jewelry being missing. When my grandmother died I gave some of her jewelry (nothing costly), including some watches to my granddaughters. Unless TM was charged there apparently was no crime as far as LE was concerned. IMO the parents were not told because someone may have come forward and said they gave it to him. Kids do stupid things, even choir boys. jmo

 

[Sensei]

So how does she magically know how the City manager's child's murder would be investigated? I find that inflammatory. They are making allegations against the police and they were told what happened that night. The police believe GZ's story about being jumped. I suspect they may not like any new facts that come out because they may also favor GZ's story.

She knows, I know, and the hundreds of thousands of people who signed petitions and are going to rallies know, that if the police had rolled up on the scene where it was not a black teenager that they already suspected of being a junkie , because that is what Zimmerman reported in his call, that Zimmerman WOULD have been drug and alcohol tested, that his clothes WOULD have been collected, and that when the girlfriend's parents reached out to the police to tell them that she was on the phone with TM at the time of the incident, she WOULD have been interviewed.

It is disingenuous at best to suggest that there was a full and thorough investigation of this incident, and yet until the media storm, as far as Sanford PD was concerned it was done...over, they were not going to revisit it or do anything else.

Sanford PD seriously stepped in it, they made a snap judgement that they really didn't have to investigate, and now they are in CYA mode....IMO