17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[Sensei]

Not true, it's been played up nonstop that he was squeaky clean with no arrests. That's a half truth at best. TM was the instigator of the fight "imo". He was evidently beating the stuffing out of GZ and witnesses and police reports confirm or at least corroborate that.

In every bit of muckraking that I have read thus far, if there were crimes and I use that term loosely, in TM's past, there might have been crimes of property, and the dread graffiti (what teen doesn't occasionally do that) and maybe he smoked some grass....Not one single thing about any type of violent offense

Not so Zimmerman though

I know what that tells me IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[iluvmua]

GZ was he** bent on using his gun and he did what he intended to do that night, acted out his fantasies as LE chasing a criminal and bringing them to justice!

I think if that were the case a lot more people would have been shot/killed under GZ's watch.

 

[vlpate]

Black panther leader says he doesn't care what Trayvon's family wants, it's an eye for an eye and they are militant and will make sure the government does what is right.

The new prosecutor does not believe there will be charges, but that decision will not be made for a few weeks.

Anderson Cooper

 

[Horace Finklestein]

GZ was he** bent on using his gun and he did what he intended to do that night, acted out his fantasies as LE chasing a criminal and bringing them to justice!

No, he was trying to defend himself as his head was thrust into a sidewalk.

 

[rossva]

Exactly! Yet he is still profiled as "the self appointed neighborhood watch capitan" - which is a irrelevant as much as why Martin was suspended (unless the autopsy does show drugs in Martin's system).

GZ was going to the grocery store he was aware of crime so he was carrying his gun.When he saw TM and got suspicious so IMO he was not in his role as neighborhood watch.It would seem IMO he was a citizen who has a permit to carry and was exercising his right to have his gun on him.He was going on an errand to the store not patrolling on his watch.

 

[flourish]

No poster has said that just a hoodie means anything. If they have, please cite it. Otherwise, stop misrepresenting statements please.

You're right, part of a costume. So much better.
:devil:

 

[doubt]

What is your assumption based off of? In addition to my law degree, I have a Masters of Science in Criminal Justice from UCF and not one of my classes covered laws. Rather it covered general topics related to the administration of criminal justice programs: prisons, probation, corrections, etc. And that was a master program.

Again, many of you are just saying things to try and support your conclusions about GZ's guilt. The fact is that no school has any class or curriculum on Florida's Stand Your Ground law; much less Seminole State Community College.

I thought this forum required facts before jumping to conclusions.

the fact that not everyone here are lawyers does not mean we are incapable of digging deeply into the issues at hand. nor does it mean we are in the habit of grabbing information from thin air and tossing it out as fact.

that said, please provide the factual evidence which proves that syg was never discussed in a class taken by gz. unless you were there or have spoken to every prof who taught him, it sounds a lot to me like you are ''just saying things to try and support your conclusions.'' surely that cannot be the case.

moo/imo/etc

 

[ScubaTwinn]

IMO George Zimmerman will never be hired by any LE agency. He has shown that he lacks the judgment that a reasonable person should have...IMO

And to tell the truth. Squeaky clean record......

 

[annalia]

I think people are more upset at the fact that his "squeaky clean image" ain't so squeaky clean like the family wants to portray and GZ is this bad guy who shot innocent TM to death.

Actually it was GZ who tried to make police believe he had a "squeaky clean image"

Just sayin.

 

[flourish]

msnbc's "Ed Show" is doing a piece right now about Trayvon, entitled "Demonizing the Victim," in case anyone's interested.

 

[vlpate]

In every bit of muckraking that I have read thus far, if there were crimes and I use that term loosely, in TM's past, there might have been crimes of property, and the dread graffiti (what teen doesn't occasionally do that) and maybe he smoked some grass....Not one single thing about any type of violent offense

Not so Zimmerman though

I know what that tells me IMO JMHO and stuff

We all know, or should, petty crimes lead to violent crimes. GZ has no felony convictions.

 

[m00c0w]

We all know, or should, petty crimes lead to violent crimes. GZ has no felony convictions.

You could further say that GZ has no convictions, period.

 

[LambChop]

This article says that TM wants to trademark his name, not "Justice for Trayvon" or "I am Trayvon". I'm thinking money is the main reason here.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...326_1_mother-files-trademark-office-petitions

The A's did it to keep people from using it. With all the going back and forth here between supporting on position or another the family just may not want to see t-shirts either for or against. I can't blame them. Their goal is not to divide people. I think we are doing a pretty good job of that ourselves. jmo

 

[vlpate]

msnbc's "Ed Show" is doing a piece right now about Trayvon, entitled "Demonizing the Victim," in case anyone's interested.

MSNBC - get rid of SYG - pro-Trayvon
FOX- keep SYG - pro Geroge

Whatever your position on this, you will be backed up by one of the two above, but you'll never get the same story from both.

 

[LambChop]

You could further say that GZ has no convictions, period.

I know it is so ironic. His dad must be proud. jmo

 

[HMSHood]

Black panther leader says he doesn't care what Trayvon's family wants, it's an eye for an eye and they are militant and will make sure the government does what is right.

The new prosecutor does not believe there will be charges, but that decision will not be made for a few weeks.

Anderson Cooper

I view Black Panthers as a terrorist organization.

 

[m00c0w]

I know it is so ironic. His dad must be proud. jmo

How is it ironic? :waitasec:

 

[rossva]

Could you please post a link to Richard's blog. I love his thoughts that he has posted so far on this case.

This is good stuff Richard. From your blog, I quote:

Did George Zimmerman Provoke the Fight?
As I explained previously, Florida Statute 776.041, states that a person cannot raise self defense if they provoked the fight.
And that begs the question, what would be considered provoking the fight. While most people (including myself) focus on the fact George Zimmerman:
1.Disobeyed the 911 Dispatcher, left his car, and followed Trayvon Martin; and
2.Brought his firearm with him, although lawfully concealed.
neither of these acts are illegal and would not be considered legally provocative acts.
So unless George Zimmerman told police that he went up either waiving his gun around or went up and started a fight with Trayvon Martin, his acts of getting out of his car with his firearm concealed and following Trayvon would not make him the aggressor. Thus 776.041 would not apply.
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I think important parts left out of the above discussion include that GZ was informed that units were on their way. GZ made statements indicating "these guys always get away." So it is necessary to look at GZ's intent in approaching TM. The intent, as shown my GZ's words, is definitely provocative, in my opinion.

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[flourish]

MSNBC - get rid of SYG - pro-Trayvon
FOX- keep SYG - pro Geroge

Whatever your position on this, you will be backed up by one of the two above, but you'll never get the same story from both.

So, I take it you're one of the people who aren't interested in watching that?

 

[WillenFan21]

What has been reported about there being a fight is coming from a police department who has been extremely shady through all of this ordeal. I am taking it with a grain of salt about the fight. Just like Nancy said on her show right now....Zimmerman was the aggressor because he got out his car and started following Trayvon who then acted out in self defense. If you feel threatened you don't go after the person you feel threatened by. It just doesn't work that way. He cannot claim self defense for that reason.