17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #8

[annalia]

I am hoping the FBI voice analysis not only tells us who was yelling what and when, but what he muttered under his breath.

And they're in the process of doing this now correct?

And wasn't it reported that the Justice Dept is also looking into determining if this was a hate crime, at least partially based on what was stated in the 911 call? So the 911 call is very relevant to the case.

JMHO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Then how did TM end up dead by GZ's gun if he didn't continue his pursuit?

TM jumped him as he was on his way back to his truck imo

 

[gxm]

Can someone who is familiar with guns please explain to me the issue with GZ's gun. Did it jam? Is that why only one shot was fired? I'm very keen to know this because one aspect that, to my mind, refutes a hate crime charge is that there wasn't overkill. IMO, hate crimes usually involve rage and overkill, the victim would have been shot more than once and even further attacked after he/she was incapacitated. The fact that TM was shot only once, makes GZ's "self defense" claim more plausible. JMO, OMO, MOO, etc.

 

[m00c0w]

Can someone who is familiar with guns please explain to me the issue with GZ's gun. Did it jam? Is that why only one shot was fired? I'm very keen to know this because one aspect that, to my mind, refutes a hate crime charge is that there wasn't overkill. IMO, hate crimes usually involve rage and overkill, the victim would have been shot more than once and even further attacked after he/she was incapacitated. The fact that TM was shot only once, makes GZ's "self defense" claim more plausible. JMO, OMO, MOO, etc.

Any number of things could have happened. He may have only fired one shot and "made it safe", as someone else said, the report may not be accurate, the slide's actuation may have been retarded, it may have jammed due to limp-wristing... I'm not sure we'll ever conclusively know unless fingerprints are found around the slide/barrel of the gun.

 

[rossva]

You keep assuming as fact you know what he said. Can you link to any MSM sources that have established 100%, with 0 doubt, Zimmerman did say a racial slur?

my bolding

I'm sorry, you know this how exactly?

And no, others can ignore it if they choose to, but no, we don't need to abandon the thought, he said what he said and it was anything but a term of endearment. It's is just one more thing that GZ chose to say himself that showed his intent that night. Just because he didn't say it every five seconds doesn't lessen what he said.

JMHO

 

[annalia]

THANK YOU - I knew it was nothing I heard...

At don't recall at what point in the tape he mumbled it but he says effin ****, some say they heard the slur others think they heard goon or even punks.

His neighbor tried to say he said effin cold, lol, I think he abandonded that though as it was pretty ridiculous.

The fact is that he did utter something under his breath. JMHO, but the slur or goon or punks, all are just as bad and still showed his intent that night. I don't know why even if it was goon, somehow that's ok. It was certainly no term of endearment if kept in context with everything else.

JMHO

 

[Elley Mae]

You keep assuming as fact you know what he said. Can you link to any MSM sources that have established 100%, with 0 doubt, Zimmerman did say a racial slur?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aVwPqXc-bk"]George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin 911 Call - YouTube[/ame]

I'm with you I listened I don't hear any racial slur but then again I'm just an old broad of 55

 

[LambChop]

Could you refer to me to one account that says he stopped pursuit?

Everything I have read is to the contrary---in earlier threads the common thing to say was that GZ was not ordered to stop, it was simply a "suggestion".

I'm not sure how that has evolved into people now asserting that GZ did stop pursuit. If that's been linked, I missed it...

TIA

:moo::twocents:

If you listen to dispatch for the 911 calls, or read the transcripts as I did that were provided by PaPa.....bless his heart, you can see there is a pattern of LE telling people "you don't have to do that." So at some point it appears the city may have been sued for telling someone the can't leave an area. Either someone was injured/killed and LE took heat because they ordered the person to say put. It's designed to tell people to use their common sense and let LE handle it, just let LE do their thing and stand down. I certainly get it. jmo

 

[Isabelle]

TM jumped him as he was on his way back to his truck imo

That's one of GZ's stories. Unfortunately TM can't tell his side.

 

[iluvmua]

Can someone who is familiar with guns please explain to me the issue with GZ's gun. Did it jam? Is that why only one shot was fired? I'm very keen to know this because one aspect that, to my mind, refutes a hate crime charge is that there wasn't overkill. IMO, hate crimes usually involve rage and overkill, the victim would have been shot more than once and even further attacked after he/she was incapacitated. The fact that TM was shot only once, makes GZ's "self defense" claim more plausible. JMO, OMO, MOO, etc.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/28/george-zimmermans-gun-a-popular-choice-for-concealed-carry/

this is the type of gun GZ was carrying on him.

 

[tehcloser]

George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin 911 Call - YouTube

I'm with you I listened I don't hear any racial slur but then again I'm just an old broad of 55

Well I'm a 50 year old kid and on a scale of 1-10 I'm at a 8.9 that I hear it. :what:

 

[tehcloser]

Posted at 11:30 AM ET, 03/28/2012
Rep. Bobby Rush reprimanded for wearing hoodie on House floor for Trayvon Martin
By Rosalind S. Helderman
This post has been updated.

The hoodie protests have arrived on the floor of the United States Congress.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rayvon-martin/2012/03/28/gIQAlf8WgS_blog.html

 

[Horace Finklestein]

That's one of GZ's stories. Unfortunately TM can't tell his side.

Its also the version supported by police and corroborated by witnesses. I personally don't buy into the racist conspiracy anti LE stuff. Given what we know, GZs account is the most likely scenario IMO.

 

[tlcya]

regarding the slur, I am waiting for the federally enhanced version. I hear something being muttered but have no clue WHAT is being muttered as of now.

This case has enough to fan the flames. I am being very careful not to be part of that til I truly am confident that race and hate were the motivators. Til then, I will stick with debating the law being misapplied to this case.

 

[LambChop]

You keep assuming as fact you know what he said. Can you link to any MSM sources that have established 100%, with 0 doubt, Zimmerman did say a racial slur?

And with the two words being so similiar I think we should give George the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise. From what I have seen posted goon seems to be a word that young people use today so it's more possible than not that that is what he said. And goon just means some kid to me which goes along with what he was describing to LE. jmo

 

[gxm]

At don't recall at what point in the tape he mumbled it but he says effin ****, some say they heard the slur others think they heard goon or even punks.

His neighbor tried to say he said effin cold, lol, I think he abandonded that though as it was pretty ridiculous.

The fact is that he did utter something under his breath. JMHO, but the slur or goon or punks, all are just as bad and still showed his intent that night. I don't know why even if it was goon, somehow that's ok. It was certainly no term of endearment if kept in context with everything else.

JMHO

And others are saying they hear the word "phone," as if GZ was exasperated with his phone. IMO, we'll never know for sure what he muttered. And IMO one garbled, unintelligible whisper can not carry a hate crime charge.

A hate crime would include racial epithets being shouted. And as far as I know, not one witness has said racial insults were being spoken or shouted. The screams were along the line of "help" and "NO!" JMO, MOO, OMO, etc.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Posted at 11:30 AM ET, 03/28/2012
Rep. Bobby Rush reprimanded for wearing hoodie on House floor for Trayvon Martin
By Rosalind S. Helderman
This post has been updated.

The hoodie protests have arrived on the floor of the United States Congress.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rayvon-martin/2012/03/28/gIQAlf8WgS_blog.html

I saw clips of that. Bobby rush made an absolute fool of himself on many different levels. Worst of all, he's just inciting people. Utterly childish and disgraceful IMO.

 

[LambChop]

Posted at 11:30 AM ET, 03/28/2012
Rep. Bobby Rush reprimanded for wearing hoodie on House floor for Trayvon Martin
By Rosalind S. Helderman
This post has been updated.

The hoodie protests have arrived on the floor of the United States Congress.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rayvon-martin/2012/03/28/gIQAlf8WgS_blog.html

Maybe he should have put on a tie underneath. jmo

 

[tlcya]

He did have $22 with him. Much more than he needed for skittles and tea.

:waitasec: I find this very confusing. I cannot figure how his having $22 in change after making his ice tea and skittle purchase points to him being more likely to have been up to anything illegal that evening?

 

[Concerned Papa]

It occurred to me that he lost sight of Martin, and may have actually continued onto the other street when dispatch then told him to stop. This would align perfectly with everything. He was apparently jogging or walking hurriedly, and I don't think it would have taken much time to cover that little section of path. It's very likely he pulled up right next to the path, got out, and then jogged/hustled down it. When he didn't see Martin, he kept going hoping to see him cut through somewhere (get the address of where the individual was headed, maybe?) when dispatch told him to stop. He then headed back to his vehicle.

Sooo, you're proposing that AFTER LOSING SIGHT of Trayvon, he possibly jogged/hustled all the way down that sidewalk onto the other street at the back gate.....then jogged/hustled back up the entire length of the same empty sidewalk he just traveled.....instead of continuing his search up the parallel street his vehicle was parked on?.....only to be accosted by this kid back where it all started on the sidewalk between the buildings?

Anything's possible I suppose, but if true, he just ran about half again more than the length of a football field only to wind up back where he started just to get his azz beat.

I don't blame him. I'd of left that part out too.