17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #10

[OneLove]

I know this is not the case, but if it came out that TM had a history with hanging out with gang members, you don't think that would be relevant in any way?

Not relevant in ANY way. Here's why. Trayvon, a complete unknown to GZ, was walking down the street. How would GZ have ANY way to know at that point that Trayvon hung with gang members, was on parole for murder, was awaiting trial for burglary, was a meth addict, etc (none of which is true, this is all hypothetical).

Trayvon was walking down the street. How does that merit ANY contact from GZ whatsoever?

We know from GZ's own voice that he was spoiling for a fight. Even on the phone with 911, he couldn't give ANY valid reasons for stalking him.

I'm guessing Trayvon may have faced his stalker in an effort to get him to back off. It is what I would do myself so as to show that I was not intimidated, then I would head home as quickly as possible by the shortest and safest route.

I think GZ was infuriated at Trayvon's seeming lack of fear of him, which we know from the gf's conversation was just bravado to show he wasn't intimidated. I think GZ felt disrespected by this and his well known temper and need to control ran away with him.

It's so very sad. But, no, NOTHING Trayvon might have done or been involved in had ANYTHING to do with the choices GZ made that night. Anything he might have ASSUMED about Trayvon would have ALL been bias at that point, plain and simple.

 

[raeann]

I find it funny how out of all the lawyers in central florida this family could have, they just so happen to take one who is involved with civil rights.

I'm thinking this is all one big hoax, like the duke lacrosse scandal.

NOT at being snarky here...just trying to understand how this would work...hoax how? Is Trayvon NOT DEAD? is he being hidden somewhere? or hoax as in these parents KNEW about Zimmerman and his overzealous actions and they purposely sent out their son in a hoodie in the rain as "bait" to entrap this wannabe cop into killing their son?



jmo

 

[cityslick]

????? could you elaborate? IIRC the Duke Lacrosse scandal involved a false allegation of rape.

I am pretty sure Trayvon Martin is really dead, shot by George Zimmerman. How does this qualify as a hoax?

I don't want to speak for the poster, but I think it was meant that a 'hoax' as in how the media/family are trying to portray an event that didn't really go down as it's being portraying.

I don't think that's whats going on based on what we've seen, but I won't deny the media is sensationalizing the story in one direction.

 

[iluvmua]

No, not the fact that he's dead but the whole 'innocent 17 year old kid shot for no reason other than wearing a hoodie, being black, and walking back home from a store carrying nothing more than skittles and iced tea'

That we've been hearing about for the last month.

It cannnot be THAT cut and dry.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

No, not the fact that he's dead but the whole 'innocent 17 year old kid shot for no reason other than wearing a hoodie, being black, and walking back home from a store carrying nothing more than skittles and iced tea'

That we've been hearing about for the last month.

It cannnot be THAT cut and dry.

No child is an angel...but it's this fateful night where Trayvon seemed to be minding his own business until GZ caught sight of HIM...Trayvon might have been exhibiting some behavior problems but his father didn't have a chance to correct his behavior, he'd dead...

Travyon was not a threat to GZ, but Trayvon felt GZ was a threat for he told the girl on the phone with him, some dude is following me..she says run, No, I'll walk fast...then I believe GZ startled Trayvon asking what are you doing here...Why are you following me...then no one knows from that point on..the child is dead...

 

[tehcloser]

MORGAN: How do you feel, personally, that your brother has killed somebody in these circumstances?

ZIMMERMAN: No matter what, you know, I try to think of what if this were me? What if this were someone who had broken in my home and I had to defend myself or some other situation, where self-defense fits the mold more, and it's easy, we can understand, oh, yes, that's clearly self-defense, because there's no room for conjecture. This is my home, you broke in, and that happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/29/pmt.01.html



But that's not what happened is it?

 

[songline]

I'm interested to know why Wolfinger felt the need to race to the crime scene that evening in order to make the call not to charge Zimmerman. Why the seemingly personal interest?

This one screams:
Daddy put in a call to collect a professional courtesy = a favor.

:moo::moo:

 

[Isabelle]

I find it funny how out of all the lawyers in central florida this family could have, they just so happen to take one who is involved with civil rights.

I'm thinking this is all one big hoax, like the duke lacrosse scandal.

Are you sure Crump didn't approach the family? That's not legal, but it could happen and has many times. At any rate, then need a civil rights attorney, because there is a worse civil rights problem in the US than most would admit and it is sickening. I'm not white, I'm not black, I'm human and hispanic!

 

[jjenny]

All I see are lots of speculations and no evidence whatsoever that Zimmerman's father has this kind of influence.

 

[Isabelle]

This one screams:
Daddy put in a call to collect a professional courtesy = a favor.

:moo::moo:

And, Daddy may have had some really strong connections real high up.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I find it puzzling that GZ was even able to catch up with TM on foot.
We talking about healthy 17 year old football player.
If your being followed and scared, do you run like the wind to safety or do you confront the person following you?
Thats whats puzzling me. I hope the conversation with Trayvon's girlfriend can shed some light on it.

 

[iluvmua]

Are you sure Crump didn't approach the family? That's not legal, but it could happen and has many times. At any rate, then need a civil rights attorney, because there is a worse civil rights problem in the US than most would admit and it is sickening. I'm not white, I'm not black, I'm human and hispanic!

According to the article this lawyer was first contacted by a cousin of TM's father's family.

 

[tlcya]

MORGAN: How do you feel, personally, that your brother has killed somebody in these circumstances?

ZIMMERMAN: No matter what, you know, I try to think of what if this were me? What if this were someone who had broken in my home and I had to defend myself or some other situation, where self-defense fits the mold more, and it's easy, we can understand, oh, yes, that's clearly self-defense, because there's no room for conjecture. This is my home, you broke in, and that happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/29/pmt.01.html



But that's not what happened is it?

No and the UBM portion tells me his brother realizes that GZ's claims of self defense do not really fit the "mold" well for self defense. The ever evolving stories coming from GZ's family and friends now about TM's purported aggressive beating of GZ seem to me to be attempts to bring GZ's self defense claim more in line with the "mold" IMO JMO etc etc ad infinitum.

 

[curl_in_progress]

This is a very important post IMHO - I have instant reaction to Mr. Crump instantly saying Murder in cold blood. I guess this attorney does not need any information to make any decision.

I TOO ASKED the same question you are asking? How did TM's father did not just go for a criminal attorney, if he felt that a crime was committed, why did he go for an attorney who has perused Civil right Cases?
I wonder why he selected for this case to become racially charged.
This man is constantly saying Murder in Cold Blood; he is never saying let’s find out what exactly did happen. I have reacted to that from the start only because we really do not know.

This is just my opinion, but I believe the lead homicide detective who told Austin Brown's mother that the case had to do with stereotyping and it was not self defense is the same detective that came to Tracy Martin's home to tell him Trayvon was killed. (Austin is the 13 yo witness.) If the detective was that forthcoming with a witnesses mother then he was probably more forthcoming with Tray's father about what he thought was really going on. If that is the case, then I can see why Tracy Martin went with Crump.

Again, this is all just my opinion.

 

[Montjoy]

No, not the fact that he's dead but the whole 'innocent 17 year old kid shot for no reason other than wearing a hoodie, being black, and walking back home from a store carrying nothing more than skittles and iced tea'

That we've been hearing about for the last month.

It cannnot be THAT cut and dry.

Sure it can.

 

[Etilema]

NOT at being snarky here...just trying to understand how this would work...hoax how? Is Trayvon NOT DEAD? is he being hidden somewhere? or hoax as in these parents KNEW about Zimmerman and his overzealous actions and they purposely sent out their son in a hoodie in the rain as "bait" to entrap this wannabe cop into killing their son?



jmo

Although I disagree with those who don't see a concern about racism in this case, I think I do understand what is meant by this being a hoax (although "hoax" probably isn't the best word). They don't mean it was a trap or that the death of the boy is fake or deliberate on the part of the family or civil rights people.

I think they mean that perhaps the family knows that Trayvon was involved in criminal activity, could even have been looking for something to steal on his way home, and most definitely would have started up with GZ because he didn't like GZ watching him. That the family suspects Trayvon totally would start pounding some guy if he thought the guy was out to get him, so they know that GZ's story is probably quite true, that he was just trying to keep an eye on a suspicious person and that guy turned around and started whoopin him and he was in fear for his life, because Trayvon was a young, strong, fit guy, whereas GZ is older and out of shape. But knowing all this, they are instead portraying Trayvon as some kind of sweet little angel who would never hurt a fly and portraying GZ as a racist maniac. The typical civil rights media are out there blowing the story into a distortion in order to whip the public into a frenzy, when they know good and well that it's probably just what the police saw when they arrived--a clear-cut case of self-defense.

Again, what I wrote above is my understanding of what someone could mean by calling this situation a hoax. I am not in any way saying I agree with it or any part of it.

 

[octobermoon]

I find it funny how out of all the lawyers in central florida this family could have, they just so happen to take one who is involved with civil rights.

I'm thinking this is all one big hoax, like the duke lacrosse scandal.

Huh? Trayvon is not dead?

 

[OneLove]

You know, I'm just a pasty white 57 year old female, but this talk about the media "just sensationalizing" a murder with complete lack of investigation or following of protocol, and claim that trying to GET a fair investigation and release of pertinent FACTS is all just a "hoax" certainly does point out what a nightmare life for minorities must have been BEFORE civil rights.

I can really hardly believe we are seeing this happen in this day and time. It does show how we have NOT evolved much from those days except in a very superficial way. No wonder Trayvon was both scared AND defensive.

I cannot begin to fathom what it must be like to be afraid to walk down the street in the open in the rain doing NOTHING wrong.

 

[iluvmua]

And, Daddy may have had some really strong connections real high up.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate

This might answer your question.

 

[songline]

No child is an angel...but it's this fateful night where Trayvon seemed to be minding his own business until GZ caught sight of HIM...Trayvon might have been exhibiting some behavior problems but his father didn't have a chance to correct his behavior, he'd dead...

Travyon was not a threat to GZ, but Trayvon felt GZ was a threat for he told the girl on the phone with him, some dude is following me..she says run, No, I'll walk fast...then I believe GZ startled Trayvon asking what are you doing here...Why are you following me...then no one knows from that point on..the child is dead...

I AGREE...
there is one part that is eating at me....
When GZ was acting in self defense WHY NOT shoot a leg or a shoulder, but never shoot to kill.?
I do not think that GZ is a murderer NO, I do think he made a string of wrong decisions, so did Trayvon (by not making a straight B line home. Or dialing 911) - and so did the legal system.
This is a mess.