17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #13

[OneLove]

That it's late? What I mean is, I don't think Trayvon's mother has ever heard TM scream in a situation close to the one he was in that night. It was a comment to a poster who stated GZ's father wouldn't know what GZ sounded like screaming in the same situation.

Both said they knew their son's screams.

What was actually said is that Zimmerman Jr. knew it was GZ because he sounded just like himself when screaming. I didn't get that he said he heard it and recognized for sure it was his son OR brother, but that it sounded just like HIMSELF. I question how he would know what he would sound like HIMSELF screaming those words.

I would know my own kids in a snap, but NOT because they sound just like me.

So, if the dad sounds just like the son, or the brother just like GZ, by his own admission, why don't they test HIS voice for a match? Maybe it will be a good match whereas GZ's was not??

 

[codecracker]

“I have never seen a crime scene cleaned up so fast,” Trayvon’s father, Tracy Martin, told The Miami Herald. He came home that night just before 11 p.m. and saw no trace of a crime. It was not until he called police the next morning that a major crimes detective went to the townhouse where his girlfriend lives to break the news.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/31/2725442_p4/what-is-known-what-isnt-about.html#storylink=cpy

If you look at the police reports you will see that officers were on that call till after 3 am, not sure which ones might have been with GZ at the station or on the scene. I am sure part of that 3am time is paperwork. There was also a evidence crew called Diana Smith called to the scene and we don't have any part of her report. I am not sure how much physical evidence there would of been, it was raining and I don't know how hard, sounds like the crime scene wasn't that large. Since we don't have the Ecrews reports we don't know what was collected what was done.
JMO

On a side note JMO, people keep asking about the phone TM had it in his pocket with earbud, we have no way of knowing if broke in the struggle, the bullet went through it or during the CPR by officers and paramedics it was damaged. TM's father got the phone records not the phone.

 

[vlpate]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...male-that-matches-robbery-suspect#pl-62773735

This is the call to LE George made where he tells dispatch his wife gave detectives the description of the black teen suspect.

Weirdly, although he is inside his home, he doesn't want to give out his address this time either?

Remember when people were saying that Zimmerman didn't want to give his address to dispatch because he didn't know where Trayvon was? Yeah, well, he had a habit of not wanting to give dispatch his address??

According to George Zimmerman, it was his WIFE who gave a description of the "black teen suspects"

In this call he is repeating the information his wife had already given to a detective sometime earlier. The guy sounds like the homeless man LE caught. Does anyone see the other side of this? GZ didn't go after the guy?

As for the address, if I am calling in to complain, for instance, loud fighting (recent hotel visit), I tell them I don't want them to come to my door and bring attention to the fact I called. They usually say ok when I'm on a landline because they have the address.

 

[LolaMoon08]

BEM: Did GZ give an interview? Link?

BEM: Drug addicted neighbor? Link?

It was mentioned on Dr. Drew? Frank Taffe, after releasing a voicemail left to him by George Zimmerman thanking him for his support and expressing his condolences for Mr. Taffe losing his son, Mr. Taffe told Dr. Drew that his son had died of a drug overdose.

I feel awful for anyone who loses a child. Drug addiction is horrible, but if the son lived in that complex, or came to visit, what's to say he didn't commit burglaries to feed his drug habit?

I feel if Mrs. Zimmerman didn't see with her own eyes these burglaries take place, she did a horrible thing by giving any kind of description of a suspect to LE or fellow neighbors. It makes me sick that Mrs. Zimmerman and Mr. Zimmerman were creating hysteria in their neighborhood. Putting everyone on edge by saying that these "suspects" were "black teens" if they didn't actually witness the crime taking place.

 

[LolaMoon08]

In this call he is repeating the information his wife had already given to a detective sometime earlier. The guy sounds like the homeless man LE caught. Does anyone see the other side of this? GZ didn't go after the guy?

As for the address, if I am calling in to complain, for instance, loud fighting (recent hotel visit), I tell them I don't want them to come to my door and bring attention to the fact I called. They usually say ok when I'm on a landline because they have the address.

My point is... MRS. Zimmerman is the one who gave a description of the suspect to LE. Did MRS. Zimmerman witness with her own eyes these "young black teens" commiting these crimes in order to give a truthful statement to LE?

 

[OneLove]

In this call he is repeating the information his wife had already given to a detective sometime earlier. The guy sounds like the homeless man LE caught. Does anyone see the other side of this? GZ didn't go after the guy?

As for the address, if I am calling in to complain, for instance, loud fighting (recent hotel visit), I tell them I don't want them to come to my door and bring attention to the fact I called. They usually say ok when I'm on a landline because they have the address.

And I do know that sometimes cops DO let slip who called, by their actions or their words. I called in a physical fight once and refused to give my address for that very reason. I'm not too keen on having angry meth-addicted folks showing up at my house. We saw the fight, btw, when we were merely driving by, pulling an rv. I thought I was seeing things, so we turned around and drove BACK by. By this time a fella had the woman bent backwards over the hood of the car strangling her. I'm glad we called it in. I've learned to believe what my eyes see and my ears hear. but I certainly do understand not wanting to reveal your whereabouts for personal protection.

 

[highflyer]

In this call he is repeating the information his wife had already given to a detective sometime earlier. The guy sounds like the homeless man LE caught. Does anyone see the other side of this? GZ didn't go after the guy?

As for the address, if I am calling in to complain, for instance, loud fighting (recent hotel visit), I tell them I don't want them to come to my door and bring attention to the fact I called. They usually say ok when I'm on a landline because they have the address.

It is fortunate GZ did not go after the guy. One dead teen is too many.

 

[Cher352]

“I have never seen a crime scene cleaned up so fast,” Trayvon’s father, Tracy Martin, told The Miami Herald. He came home that night just before 11 p.m. and saw no trace of a crime. It was not until he called police the next morning that a major crimes detective went to the townhouse where his girlfriend lives to break the news.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/31/2725442_p4/what-is-known-what-isnt-about.html#storylink=cpy

Very good 4 page article, thanks!

This is something I had not seen before:

Police stressed that Zimmerman was interviewed at least three times and gave a videotaped statement and a walk-through of what happened. Zimmerman, whose father is a retired Virginia magistrate, never asked for an attorney or changed his story, former Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee said.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I'm wondering if the reason Zimmerman didn't want to give out his address was because he didn't want LE knocking on his door? Was there a reason he didn't want to attract LE to his address, but had no problem getting cops to pay attention to everyone else's addresses? It's such a shame they didn't arrest him that night and get a search warrant for his house? I'm thinking there was something going on in there?

MOO

 

[OneLove]

It was mentioned on Dr. Drew? Frank Taffe, after releasing a voicemail left to him by George Zimmerman thanking him for his support and expressing his condolences for Mr. Taffe losing his son, Mr. Taffe told Dr. Drew that his son had died of a drug overdose.

I feel awful for anyone who loses a child. Drug addiction is horrible, but if the son lived in that complex, or came to visit, what's to say he didn't commit burglaries to feed his drug habit?

I feel if Mrs. Zimmerman didn't see with her own eyes these burglaries take place, she did a horrible thing by giving any kind of description of a suspect to LE or fellow neighbors. It makes me sick that Mrs. Zimmerman and Mr. Zimmerman were creating hysteria in their neighborhood. Putting everyone on edge by saying that these "suspects" were "black teens" if they didn't actually witness the crime taking place.

Gee, after reading this, I'm REALLY hoping that homeless guy they took into custody wasn't unfairly pegged as a perp??

 

[highflyer]

It was mentioned on Dr. Drew? Frank Taffe, after releasing a voicemail left to him by George Zimmerman thanking him for his support and expressing his condolences for Mr. Taffe losing his son, Mr. Taffe told Dr. Drew that his son had died of a drug overdose.

I feel awful for anyone who loses a child. Drug addiction is horrible, but if the son lived in that complex, or came to visit, what's to say he didn't commit burglaries to feed his drug habit?

I feel if Mrs. Zimmerman didn't see with her own eyes these burglaries take place, she did a horrible thing by giving any kind of description of a suspect to LE or fellow neighbors. It makes me sick that Mrs. Zimmerman and Mr. Zimmerman were creating hysteria in their neighborhood. Putting everyone on edge by saying that these "suspects" were "black teens" if they didn't actually witness the crime taking place.

If someone died of a drug overdose it does not mean they are a drug addict.
It could of been an accident with prescription drugs etc.

 

[LolaMoon08]

If someone died of a drug overdose it does not mean they are a drug addict.
It could of been an accident with prescription drugs etc.

He may or may not have been? I think it's something to take into consideration? I'm not going to sleuth his son and dig up his past, but I am just angry that it seems like the description of these "black suspects" came from the same home that just shot a "suspicious black teen?"

I want to know if Mrs. Zimmerman was an actual witness to these crimes in order to give LE a truthful description?

 

[OneLove]

When I was in school in Gainesville, Florida, we lived right downtown in the party district. There was a nearby park with lots of homeless people. It was surprising how many people equated homeless with criminal. We had neighbors that I don't believe would have minded sending up some of them just to get rid of them. Same folks would probably have told us how they were doing them a favor because at least in jail they have food and a roof over their heads. It never fails to flabbergast me how some people think. But I am NOT accusing the Zimmermans of this. I too would like to know if Mrs Z saw the criminal actions herself.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/01/us-usa-shooting-florida-idUSBRE82U0B120120401

Attorneys for the family of slain black teenager Trayvon Martin are asking the U.S. Justice Department to review reports that prosecutors undermined a police investigation of shooter George Zimmerman by overruling a detective who wanted to charge him.

 

[vlpate]

I don't think we have the capacity to understand and make judgements on this very specific technology. This is why I've decided to wait and see what the knowledgable, experienced, trusted experts say. It's been amusing watching people with no experience whatsoever refute the reporting experts so far. Bias, a bit much?

I am refuting the "experts" - not their work - because I haven't seen it. Had they said it was GZ screaming, I'd feel the same way.

I wonder why they didn't give an expert opinion on the alleged racial slur?

 

[rotterdam]

If TM was up to no good, let's say casing houses for the purpose of a possible burglary, do you think he would be on the phone with his girlfriend while doing so?

Ditto for ambushing GZ in the dark and jumping GZ from the back.

 

[francie]

Trayvons Father was calling it home. So I just wonder if Trayvon was there a lot because you would think Zimmerman would know who the father and son were and where they lived. My neighborhood is like yours we all know each others phone number and know when a strange car or they have company.

The complex has 260 units and hundreds of residents (black, white, hispanic), I can’t imagine GZ being able to recognize all of them and their guests. He couldn’t possibly have known whether Trayvon lived there jmo and I feel he targeted TM because he was black & fit the description HE & HIS WIFE supplied to police about previous supposed crime there. jmo.

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[OneLove]

I am refuting the "experts" - not their work - because I haven't seen it. Had they said it was GZ screaming, I'd feel the same way.

I wonder why they didn't give an expert opinion on the alleged racial slur?

Were these experts ASKED to analyze the alleged racial slur and give an opinion on it? That would have been a good idea. Just not sure that was part of their job.

 

[codecracker]

The complex has 260 units and hundreds of residents (black, white, hispanic), I can&#8217;t imagine GZ being able to recognize all of them and their guests. He couldn&#8217;t possibly have known whether Trayvon lived there jmo and I feel very strongly he targeted TM because he was black & fit the description HE & HIS WIFE supplied to police about previous supposed crime there. jmo.
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JMO GZ called on everyone, I don't think it had anything to do with him being black, at first in the 911 called he isn't even sure TM is black. Its dark and its raining he sees someone he doesn't know walking in the complex, GZ calls sounds like something GZ would do, he calls on everything.

 

[codecracker]

Were these experts ASKED to analyze the alleged racial slur and give an opinion on it? That would have been a good idea. Just not sure that was part of their job.

You know you are right about that, if they can tell enough from the screams and what recording they have of GZ talking that its not him, then they should have enough to fiqure out how he pronounces his g or c or punks, or phone. I have heard 4 different things people hear....so if they can tell its not him screaming they should be able to tell what he says there.....JMO,