17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #15

[legalmania]

Yes, 1983 in October

So was his father a magistrate in Orange County Florida or Virginia? Did his mother work in Sanford or Virginia? This is really getting confusing.

 

[iluvmua]

Sorry for the ot. Samantha Koenig's body has been found at the bottom of a lake.

Ty for the Update on her case

 

[Wise Old Owl]

This thread is growing so quickly that it has been several pages ago when someone inquired about the likelihood or (unlikelihood) of EMTs cleaning GZ up at the scene. I work as a first responder and I can say that we have done minor cleanups on people involved in scenes.

If the person is not a suspect or covered in victims blood (which would be evidence) then we do offer cleansing wipes, gauze pads, etc to whoever may be bleeding, even if they refuse transport to the hospital. Blood is a bio hazard and if they were going to transport GZ in the cop car then they wouldn't have wanted him bleeding all over the car. So in my opinion, even if the paramedic, EMTs or other first responders didn't write out a report of care given, there still would have been someone who likely offered GZ something to wipe blood with, even if just to assess the wound under the blood.

As for George's injuries and his refusal for transport to the hospital, people are often in shock and have to be coaxed to go get checked out at the ER. We had one guy who refused care and refused to be transported to the ER. He went the next day and he turned out to have a broken pelvis. OWW!! That had to hurt but shock can cover pain and injuries till after the shock wears off.

So just to sum it up, someone other than the reporting EMTs may have offered to help George clean up some. There are often many types of first responders from different agencies (Police dept, fire dept, ambulance service,etc).

Each place is different in who responds and how, but our department will do (and has done) a cleanup the best we can at a bloody suicide, a gory accident, etc (once the police determine that they have done everything they need to do). We are very conscious of procedures for police in collecting evidence though and would clear it with a cop before offering something to a suspect.

This is just my offering, from my experiences as a first responder. Just my opinion on how it would have been handled in my area.

Thank you!


So, if an officer came over and told the EMT to go ahead and clean GZ up - it would have been done? Would the EMT note that the officer told him that anywhere?

What is you experience with head wounds and concrete? Lots of blood? Would GZ's head look like it does in the video? And broken noses? Don't they notoriously run down at least the front of the shirt?

TIA

 

[LambChop]

To call in someone looking suspicious? No.

No. Handling that person that sometimes is up to something. jmo

 

[OneLove]

Wow on MSNBC Bonaparte---city manager said they are investigating the meeting..And an interview RZ SR. gave he said he never told police or anyone at the station he was a Magistrate Judge.....I call BS on this Something hinky happened in Sanford the night TM was 'Murdered" IMHO JMHO and all that

Well, IF he called the prosecutor at his home (the one who over ruled the officer on charging GZ), then that statement would be quite factual. Wolfinger was neither a police officer nor did he tell him at the station. It's semantics.

 

[grandmaj]

Thanks Concerned Papa for trying to follow through on what happens and who does what in a criminal investigation death. I'm going to post my experience.

Let me say this and I'm going to generalize as much as possible here since I do not work with that coroner/me. All I can give you is my experience as a Funeral Director.

The coroner would take tissue samples. Cleanse the area where the tissue is removed(if it is) but not bathe so to speak the area. So there could be residual blood staining. Same thing with DNA sampling. Same thing with cleansing around a gunshot wound. Excessive bleeding would be stopped. The autopsy completed and then the body would be transferred to a funeral home to bathe, suture, cosmetize, and make the body presentable for the family.

Now, in this case I cannot say with certainty what happened. But the questions seem to center on no signs on the body which indicate a struggle ensued.

No broken knuckles? That would surely be noted on a ME report. No scuffed knuckles? Again noted on a coroner report and evident to a funeral director. Dirty fingernails? Abrasions, bruising of the hands, face, ribcage, head, face etc., all of those things would indicate a scuffle ensued and when the ME was done with the autopsy the funeral home would totally bathe the body and correct those imperfections for the family viewing.

I have never experienced a full bathing and cleaning where the body is squeeky clean and ready to be dressed.

 

[iluvmua]

So was his father a magistrate in Orange County Florida or Virginia? Did his mother work in Sanford or Virginia? This is really getting confusing.

I believe Virginia, I heard he has been retired for ten years.

 

[annalia]

Hasn't his friends and family actually come out to defend Zimmerman's comment? Saying he was using it as a "term of endearment?"

Maybe I'm wrong?

I believe that was Oliver.

JMHO

 

[LambChop]

So was his father a magistrate in Orange County Florida or Virginia? Did his mother work in Sanford or Virginia? This is really getting confusing.

Virginia. They retired and moved to Florida. It appears Mom never worked for the courthouse in Florida. That is my understanding. But originally they are from Virginia. jmo

 

[Bee Happy]

yes, and it was not the C word, He said F'ing Punks, you can clearly heard the "puh" sound.

I didn't hear it. Has it been cleared up that he (for a fact) said punks? I haven't been on much.

IMO, he is saying coons or goons. I definitely don't hear a "p" sound.

 

[vlpate]

Actually, it was Zimmerman's wife who was the one who gave LE a description of the "young black" burglary suspects. She was the witness to those, according to Zimmerman. I'm still waiting for her 911 call to be released because when you are actually witnessing a burglary in progress... that would be the proper time to call 911.

MOO

I have no idea what you are referring to, I just heard the one 911 call where GZ's wife was describing a suspicious person matching the description of a burglary suspect from earlier. In the actual police reports, http://www.sanfordfl.gov/index.html you will see there were other reports from eyewitnesses who describe both black and white males in their statements.

 

[LolaMoon08]

The only thing I seen remotely shocking was a picture of C-Murder on his account? He was obviously a fan of the "No Limit Soldiers." Not shocking enough to make me think badly of him? I wouldn't consider it "nasty?"

 

[kimpage]

Hasn't his friends and family actually come out to defend Zimmerman's comment? Saying he was using it as a "term of endearment?"

Maybe I'm wrong?

No you are not wrong Lola....Joe Oliver said it was a term of endearment...We know it is not..... IMHO


OT: when i lived in Florida i heard many people call blacks *oons and it made me so angry...That is why i packed my 2 kids and came back home..IMHO

 

[mikeysmommom]

When it comes down to it shouldn't all this be figured out by a jury? After experts testify and the prosecution and defense both present their side?

IMO No not if it turns out that the police did their job,right now I am not taking anybody's word that they did not.Media has spun this 3 ways from Sunday IMO.If GZ acted within the SYG Law there should not be a trial. If the investigation shows police failed to do their job then yes .IMO This was still an open investigation and even though when the family started speaking out it was only about 2 weeks into the investigation not enough time IMO to expect all test results back in.The family does have a right to know what happened but some times answers take time.There also were 911 calls that I heard that did match TM as the on beating on GZ. I honestly feel terrible for the family and also for TM, I even signed the petition but then I started reading and changed my mind.IMO Our System should not be forced by a mob mentality. I am not very good at writing how I feel so I hope I made sense.

 

[rbrnmw2]

At first I thought he said F#%@king phones. I am always saying that about mine.

Me Too mine does all kinds of strange things and it's suppose to be a smartphone

 

[Bee Happy]

The only thing I seen remotely shocking was a picture of C-Murder on his account? He was obviously a fan of the "No Limit Soldiers." Not shocking enough to make me think badly of him? I wouldn't consider it "nasty?"

I used to be a fan in my teens. LOL
I don't even listen to rap much anymore. It was definitely a phase.

 

[legalmania]

IMO No not if it turns out that the police did their job,right now I am not taking anybody's word that they did not.Media has spun this 3 ways from Sunday IMO.If GZ acted within the SYG Law there should not be a trial. If the investigation shows police failed to do their job then yes .IMO This was still an open investigation and even though when the family started speaking out it was only about 2 weeks into the investigation not enough time IMO to expect all test results back in.The family does have a right to know what happened but some times answers take time.There also were 911 calls that I heard that did match TM as the on beating on GZ. I honestly feel terrible for the family and also for TM, I even signed the petition but then I started reading and changed my mind.IMO Our System should not be forced by a mob mentality. I am not very good at writing how I feel so I hope I made sense.

What got this really going is when that lawyer came out with the phone call with the girlfriend. I haven't been able to hear it yet but he was on the phone and this girl is a witness also.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I'd like to ask something. I was reading through the police report and noticed this paragraph:

Please understand that I know nothing about this sort of thing, but was there a reason they were trying to revive TM? They had to know he'd been shot? It reads as if several people were involved in trying for some reason.

Wonder how long they tried?

 

[suzihawk]

When it comes down to it shouldn't all this be figured out by a jury? After experts testify and the prosecution and defense both present their side?

Yup, absolutely. But it doesn't prevent us from speculating and sleuthing. Thus the name of the forum.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I have no idea what you are referring to, I just heard the one 911 call where GZ's wife was describing a suspicious person matching the description of a burglary suspect from earlier. In the actual police reports, http://www.sanfordfl.gov/index.html you will see there were other reports from eyewitnesses who describe both black and white males in their statements.

George Zimmerman specifically stated in that call, that the same boy they were seeing at that moment was the boy his wife described as the "suspect" of a burglary. He says that there have been many in the neighborhood, but this "suspect" his wife specifically gave LE a description of. I just want to know if she actually witnessed the burglary?