17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #15

[Emeralgem]

I wonder what people would say if Tray killed GZ during this event.

I suspect they would be outraged and calling for him to be put under the jail.. Either that or lynched..JMHO

 

[Elley Mae]

Hmmm, 5 out of 7, eh? So 71% of his reported "suspicions" were levied against 3% of the population at large?

Whyever would anyone consider that to be racist?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/1263650.html


White persons: 57.3, Black persons: 30.5. Obviously, 3% is not realistic.

 

[suzihawk]

No, because someone is killed does not mean that the persons was helpless.
He may not have had a chance but he was not helpless to me.

Wouldn't not having a chance be considered helpless?? :waitasec:

 

[Emeralgem]

I'm not sure that anyone is defending GZ but I can only speak for myself. However, I am defending the "innocent until proven guilty" concept and think it should be applied to this case. Somehow a confrontation took place and escalated to a horrific conclusion. I don't know why, I don't think anyone knows why, possibly even GZ. But based on the evidence we have, GZ's story is plausible.

I don't think neighborhood watchmen should carry guns but GZ was not on patrol, he was going to the store. I think that people who have a conceal and carry permit should be held to strict standards of conduct. Further, I don't believe that we should even have citizens packing hit and walking amongst the rest of us because IMO it leads to tragedies like this case. But my concerns are trumped by Florida law. And, as best I can tell with the facts we have, unless GZ's self defense claim can be disproved with hard evidence, the law is on his side.JMO, OMO, and :moo:

IMHO...That scenario will ONLY serve to further prove....JUSTICE HAS INDEED BEEN KIDNAPPED AND HIDDEN IN THE LAW ..JMHO

 

[suzihawk]

I wonder what people would say if Tray killed GZ during this event.

Some would probably still say he was a black kid up to no good. JMO

 

[mfcmom]

We can get to the point where we can overanalyze this to where it just won't make sense. I am of the humble opinion that GZ kept moving after Trayvon after the dispatcher stated "we don't need you to do that", the distance from his vehicle which was substantial as well as the sounds heard on the phone as he was allegedly chasing Trayvon, per his girlfriends tc information and timeline, and regardless of who at that point said what, I have always told my children to never start of fight, but if threatened finish it. I almost suspect GZ drew his gun chasing TM, maybe the adrenaline kicked in and Trayvon was screaming so he would not get shot "help me help". Then the shot. No more screaming but GZ seen standing over Trayvon, face down, with his hands on his back. This is the only scenario that seems to make any sense. Sometimes less information is more. This of course is my opinion only.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I for one don't consider TM a child, he is a young men or a teen, not a child.

Trayvon did not have a weapon and tried to run away from what he thought was a situation that could put him in danger. He was right. He lost his life because GZ would not give
up

Child or not....was he helpless?

No, because someone is killed does not mean that the persons was helpless.
He may not have had a chance but he was not helpless to me.

He turned and faced GZ then began to approach, that is not trying to run away.

BBM

I think were supposed to ignore the fact that GZ says in his 911 call that Trayvon 'was' running 'away'. Because we know that according to GZ's own words, Trayvon running 'away' meant that he was acting suspiciously. GZ says that Trayvon was up by the other entrance. Trayvon was one of those a***** that always gets away.

JMHO

At this stage of the game I don't even know IF we can count on an official report as being the truth..JMHO

If we're going to split hairs here, he was just days past his sixteenth birthday! That's a child in my book. A helpless child. MOO

Trayvon Martin is Sabrina and Tracy's child. I wonder if you have any children. To say Trayvon was NOT helpless this night is so beyond the pale..

This child, Trayvon is a child, he just turned 17...still not an 'adult' under the law...either way, I cannot believe you can't be outraged that an unarmed 'child' returning from the store, trying to get back home, didn't make it. GZ targeted Trayvon, continued to follow him after being told not to..

Why are folks believing that Trayvon, after telling his friend on the phone, that he was being followed, that he will NOT run but walk fast to get to his front door. The only thing Trayvon did wrong, according to the Z camp, he was walking in the rain, appeared to have his hand in his waistband, looking suspicious...

I also believe, GZ is ramping this up to make it appear as if Trayvon confronted him. I believe GZ doubled back after loosing sight of Trayvon and it was GZ who started the confrontation...the rest is in dispute because only one person is alive to tell a tall tale, to keep himself from arrest...

I certainly hope if you have children, you can see the tragedy of this. I just can't understand those taking this fierce stance against an unarmed teen..who apparently was in the wrong, by those comments. You really should be ashamed to even utter that Trayvon was no child..that's outrageous to me and I can't for the life of me understand otherwise..You all should be outraged that GZ murdered a child in cold blood, all because he deemed him suspicious...and I so feel this man is setting this up to appear that Trayvon hit him first...I truly have my doubts about anything that guy says or his family..Trayvon was screaming for help, that's helpless to me..(I also do not believe that high pitched scream belonged to Captain George!)

It appears empathy is lost just as the value of human life is under this absurd law...Keep that law out of the streets and just allow those who have a right to bear arms, keep it in the 'castle'...this reminds me of the wild west and bringing uncivilization into a civilized world. The street doctrine goes against everything I've ever taught my children..to settle things without violence.

Justice for Trayon Martin

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.




JMHO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Martin's Parents Plan To Sue Homeowners Group
by Greg Allen

April 2, 2012 The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents has already promised to file a civil lawsuit against the homeowner's association where the unarmed teenager was killed.
AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:

In Florida, questions continue to swirl about the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman gun down the teen in February. Zimmerman hasn't been charged because he claimed self-defense. One question that hasn't been answered: Is the homeowners association liable for the death.

Here's NPR's Greg Allen.

GREG ALLEN, BYLINE: There are nearly 200 townhomes at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the community in Sanford where Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. It's possible the owners of those townhomes may also be held liable in Trayvon Martin's shooting. Lawyers for the Martin family say they plan a civil lawsuit naming both Martin and the homeowners association. Attorney Ken Direktor says that's not unexpected.

KEN DIREKTOR: The associations always make a good target in lawsuits because they carry substantial liability insurance.

ALLEN: In community newsletters, George Zimmerman was identified as the Neighborhood Watch captain, and residents were encouraged to contact him if they were victimized by crime. He was a volunteer, but attorney Donna DiMaggio Berger says that doesn't protect the homeowners association from liability.

She says some key issues in a lawsuit would be: Did the homeowners association help set up the neighborhood watch program, and how much diligence did it show in training and overseeing the volunteers.


http://www.npr.org/2012/04/02/149866203/martins-parents-plan-to-sue-homeowners-association


The HOA were the ones who appointed GZ The NW coordinator..and sent a memo if the police didn't respond, to call GZ...I think they have lots to worry about..:maddening:

 

[Emeralgem]

Whats up with the guy who appeared on NG's show last night defending GZ's claims and injuries, but yet when asked IF he had seen or spoken with GZ since the incident, he readily states..No, he hasn't.... Why is he being given "air time" when he hasn't even seen or spoken to GZ since the shooting? JMHO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.




JMHO

15 minutes of fame....:maddening:

 

[LambChop]

BEM: Did Zimmerman tell this story, or did Tracy Martin tell this story?

I understood it to be Zimmerman gave this statement to police who told Tracy Martin. Tracy Martin was relaying that information to the media. If that is what George told LE it would be in his statement. jmo

 

[Concerned Papa]

Hmmm, 5 out of 7, eh? So 71% of his reported "suspicions" were levied against 3% of the population at large?

Whyever would anyone consider that to be racist?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/1263650.html


White persons: 57.3, Black persons: 30.5. Obviously, 3% is not realistic.

Remember those pesky qualifer words of YOUNG, BLACK, and MALES?

From your link for the City of Sanford, FL:

Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 30.5%

Female persons, percent, 2010 52.0%

Persons under 18 years, percent, 2010 26.0%

30.5 (Black Persons) X .48 (100% - 52% Females = 48% Males) = 14.64% Black Males

14.64 Black Males X .26 Young Black Males = 3.806% YOUNG BLACK MALES

Sorry I was off a little. It's still early.

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.





JMHO

As you can see I am wondering the same... You are welcome to delete mine since you covered the subject first...Thanks..

 

[songline]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/St...uest/-/1637132/10042672/-/tovmqt/-/index.html

State Attorney Norm Wolfinger released a statement on Monday saying he is "outraged by the outright lies" contained in a letter by the family of Trayvon Martin's attorney asking for a review of his actions with police in Martin's death investigation.

IMHO Trayvon's attorney has made many inaccurate remarks.
Most of all "Murder in cold blood"
I do not blame anyone who is outraged by some of the claims out there.

BUT it was Wolfinger’s final say to my knowledge (please correct me if mistaken)
that allowed GZ to walk with no investigation and call it Self defense.
YES HE SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI

 

[gxm]

If we're going to split hairs here, he was just days past his sixteenth birthday! That's a child in my book. A helpless child. MOO

My father left home at 16 and joined the Merchant Marines because he wasn't old enough to join the Army and he wanted to serve his country during World War II. Sorry, but "helpless child" just doesn't apply to a 16-year old IMO. Naive, inexperienced, often brash with the feeling of youthful invincibility, yes. Helpless child? Nope.

TM was a young man who was taken from this earth far too early.

ETA: Also, I believe that TM was just days past his seventeenth birthday. He was 17, not 16.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

We can get to the point where we can overanalyze this to where it just won't make sense. I am of the humble opinion that GZ kept moving after Trayvon after the dispatcher stated "we don't need you to do that", the distance from his vehicle which was substantial as well as the sounds heard on the phone as he was allegedly chasing Trayvon, per his girlfriends tc information and timeline, and regardless of who at that point said what, I have always told my children to never start of fight, but if threatened finish it. I almost suspect GZ drew his gun chasing TM, maybe the adrenaline kicked in and Trayvon was screaming so he would not get shot "help me help". Then the shot. No more screaming but GZ seen standing over Trayvon, face down, with his hands on his back. This is the only scenario that seems to make any sense. Sometimes less information is more. This of course is my opinion only.

I don't have a link, been looking for it but yesterday after DDippolito was found guilty, the IS team were speaking of the gun used..

According to Mike Brooks, this gun has a 5lb trigger...so, IIRC, he said, in order for this gun to go off, his finger had to be on the trigger, a 5lb pull doesn't allow for this gun to fire, unless you pull on that trigger..so, if as GZ states he and Travyon struggled over the gun, GZ's finger had to pull the trigger...

I do hope the gun is being tested for fingerprints...and IF Trayvon's prints arent on them, then it would prove GZ to be a liar, is my belief..

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Stand Your Ground fathers: Trayvon Martin's killer should likely be arrested, doesn't deserve immunity

The fathers of Florida’s controversial Stand Your Ground law implicated in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin say the man who shot him to death probably should be arrested and doesn’t deserve a self-defense claim of immunity.

Former state Sen. Durell Peaden and current state Rep. Dennis Baxley say the law they passed in 2005 was designed to protect citizens by giving them the right to “meet force with force.”

Both men say they don’t know all the facts of Trayvon's case. But, they say they believe the law would not allow a person like George Zimmerman to pursue and confront a person like Trayvon and then use deadly force.

Zimmerman has not been charged.

“They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid,” said Peaden, a Crestview Republican who sponsored the deadly force law in 2005. “He has no protection under my law.”

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...ed-doesnt-deserve-immunity.html#storylink=cpy

The 911 tapes strongly suggest Zimmerman overstepped his bounds, they say, when the Sanford neighborhood crime-watch captain said he was following Trayvon and appeared to ignore a police request to stay away.

“The guy lost his defense right then,” said Peaden. “When he said ‘I’m following him,’ he lost his defense.”

Under the law, a person who claims he was acting in self defense can be immune from arrest. But, like Peaden, Baxley said Zimmerman might have lost that right because he could have “aggravated” the situation and provoked a confrontation.

 

[suzihawk]

Whats up with the guy who appeared on NG's show last night defending GZ's claims and injuries, but yet when asked IF he had seen or spoken with GZ since the incident, he readily states..No, he hasn't.... Why is he being given "air time" when he hasn't even seen or spoken to GZ since the shooting? JMHO

Actually, he didn't so 'readily' admit that he hasn't seen or even spoken to GZ. Rather it was painfully drug out of him by Miz Nancy.

Oh yeah, and it was after he said he wore his favorite tie just for her.

"My, you look lovely this morning, Mrs. Cleaver". LOL

She wasn't having it. He's a joke - a pitiful joke.

IMO

 

[gxm]

I don't get this. Taffee is back on TV this AM - CNN. He admitted on NG last night that he hasn't spoken to nor seen GZ since. He never saw his injuries nor talked to him. I don't get it.

Oh great, now he's calling the gated community "his hood". GMAB

Why are they giving this guy ANY air time at all. Oh, he just said that his house was one of the break-ins. Feb 2 call was HIS house - and GZ thwarted it. There was one in Jan that the guy was caught. The suspect was caught 5 days later and it was just 2 doors down from his house. All perps were young black males - but how would he know that if they didn't catch them all?

Just wish they (TV) would stop letting him get on camera.




JMHO

I'm guessing that the people closest to GZ are either not giving interviews or are charging too much. IMO, the media is taking anyone they can get to go before the cameras and run their mouth.

JMO, OMO, and :moo: