17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16

[TonyGatto]

Last week I was thinking to myself if only GZ had approached TM respectfully and said, "hi, I'm the neighborhood watchman do you live here". Then this would not have happened. Then I realized there is no way he would have approached him that way b/c based on his mindset and his narration to the police TM was the bad guy. It is unconceivable to me how he came to this conclusion. I myself when I first heard GZ's 911 call I thought that TM was indeed the bad guy b/c I started to wonder, "why is he running". Then I read the other half of the story of TM telling his g/f that someone was following him and I realized that he was running b/c he was afraid.

Which makes me wonder why he hasn't been able to reach that dream of being a cop. I would think he has tried out -- but why hasn't he made the team? While he had a lot of attributes of a good cop -- he didn't have the other side. Responsibility.

 

[Badlands]

Doctors recommend waiting a couple of days before being seen with a broken nose. The EMT's may have given Zimmerman the same advice.

Any doctor that recommends waiting a couple days to be seen for a broken nose should have their license revoked.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I feel like going through all the threads, one by one, and collecting all the links and just post them all at once.

I do have a question? When we quote a person's post that has the link in it... do we also have to post the link in our post even though the link will show in the post we quoted?

Thanks.

I don't.

 

[Sensei]

Really ? wait for what ? if your nose is broken, it will show up in an xray immediately. I've never heard of such a thing, do you have a link ?

In my experience, they want to try and set and fix a broken nose asap, they do not want to have to rebreak it to make sure that you are going to have nasal passages that you can actually breathe out of, and a relatively straight nose, and of the two the nasal passages that you can breathe out of is the priority.

I have to say, although I have not personally seen it, it is possible to sustain a broken nose without it bleeding, it is actually in the literature.

It is also possible to have a contusion to the head such as is seen in the video, and it not bleed....but I am not sure what the liklihood would be of having both on the same night, and then add in shooting someone who is
on top of or looming over you, and shooting them at very close range directly in the middle of their chest and yet not having so much as a single spot of blood big enough to be visible on the video....well, I am not a statistician, but I think the incidence of all three occurrances in one incident would be exceedingly LOW, IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[TonyGatto]

I feel like going through all the threads, one by one, and collecting all the links and just post them all at once.

I do have a question? When we quote a person's post that has the link in it... do we also have to post the link in our post even though the link will show in the post we quoted?

Thanks.

No. And since I do a lot of research and post a lot of links...I don't repost the link when I make reference to it in a later post -- unless I'm asked. I think mods will agree --common sense prevails.

 

[Yoda]

That is what I thought. I'd be getting myself another doctor. jmo

That is so strange. Not arguing, but the two people I know who have broken their noses both had doctors who told them to come back in a couple days when the swelling went down. Tbh I don't know why. I just remember them saying that. I know one ended up having to have surgery the break was so bad.

 

[mercuriod]

I haven't heard anything about the Prosecutor calling the Grand Jury - it would be unusual for her. Please, where is this information coming from?

When someone is called to testify, it does not mean they have been telling the truth, just saying.

So you think a 15 year old girl is going to go in front of a Grand Jury and lie? Testifying before a Grand Jury would be very intimidating even for and adult, do you really think a 15 year old girl is going to be able to lie under that type of pressure and nerves?

 

[LambChop]

If you can't see it then you must not really be hurt. This is how allot of people think and they don't understand unless it has happened to them.

I do think an EMT could see it and could tell whether or not he was hurt. Ten minutes is not a lot of time to spend on those types of injuries but it is enough time to clean off GZ's nose and the back of his head then check to see how badly he is injured. jmo

 

[suzihawk]

Doctors recommend waiting a couple of days before being seen with a broken nose. The EMT's may have given Zimmerman the same advice.

Could be.

The poster I was asking has had their head slammed repeatedly on a hard surface with little visible evidence of the injury very similar to what GZ claims happened to him . I was just interested if the poster was transported to the hospital after the incident or if they were treated on the scene of the incident.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Any doctor that recommends waiting a couple days to be seen for a broken nose should have their license revoked.

I'll step in on this as an expert, LOL. I didn't give my doctor's much choice. Either fix it or give me enough drugs that I didn't care.

Funny how they tended to do both....

 

[Yoda]

Now I want to know after reading all these posts, what are you supposed to do if your nose is broken?

 

[LolaMoon08]

So you think a 15 year old girl is going to go in front of a Grand Jury and lie? Testifying before a Grand Jury would be very intimidating even for and adult, do you really think a 15 year old girl is going to be able to lie under that type of pressure and nerves?

I don't think the State would call her to testify if they thought she was not being truthful. I believe her phone records match her story.

I just feel awful that a 15-year-old has to go through something like this. I hope she has a strong support system. My heart aches for her.

MOO

 

[LambChop]

That is so strange. Not arguing, but the two people I know who have broken their noses both had doctors who told them to come back in a couple days when the swelling went down. Tbh I don't know why. I just remember them saying that. I know one ended up having to have surgery the break was so bad.

But they were seen by the doctor and cleared, right. We do not see swelling on GZ's nose at all and since GZ did not go for x-rays we really don't know other than it appears he was treated for a very short time as if any injury he had was minor. Plus with head injuries I believe EMT's usually let an ER doctor decide. Sometimes people going into shock will say no only to drop over later. Depends on how bad the EMT thought the injury was. Looks like it was nothing major. jmo

 

[mercuriod]

Doctors recommend waiting a couple of days before being seen with a broken nose. The EMT's may have given Zimmerman the same advice.

What Doctors have you been going to for broken noses? I had to have nasal septum repair surgery because I waited 3 days to be seen after I broke my nose, the surgeon told me if I had been seen immediately they would have been able to set it and I would not have had to have surgery.

 

[animlzrule]

It depends on what kind of fracture has been sustained. For an obviously mangled nose, difficulty breathing or profuse bleeding, it is advisable for an individual to be evaluated on an emergent basis. However, for a closed fracture, one in which cartilage and bones have been displaced, one has a window of a couple of weeks before intervention needs to take place. It is advisable for some people to wait at least a few days before going in to the doctor, and certainly they are able to avoid a more costly ER visit, if the main symptoms at the time of the injury are pain, swelling and bleeding which stops after 10-20 minutes application of firm, steady pressure. I advise several people every few months to wait to come in for a few days in order for the swelling to go down. That way the doc can get in there and really see what's going on. X rays aren't usually necessary for fractures. If you wait longer than 2 weeks and it turns out there is a fracture, then repairs typically have to be performed surgically. Not all nose fractures are emergencies.


ETA: Most people do assume broken noses are emergencies, and of course if they present to an ER, they should be evaluated and either treated or advised to follow up with their primary care physician within a few days.

 

[lisalei321]

Now I want to know after reading all these posts, what are you supposed to do if your nose is broken?

Mine was broken in a softball game...I was taken to the ER very, very quickly!

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[LolaMoon08]

I am so glad I have never had a broken nose. They sound awful! I have had a sinus infection so bad that I wanted to yank out my entire sinus cavity with a crow bar? Is a broken nose worse than that?

 

[Sensei]

Could be.

The poster I was asking has had their head slammed repeatedly on a hard surface with little visible evidence of the injury very similar to what GZ claims happened to him . I was just interested if the poster was transported to the hospital after the incident or if they were treated on the scene of the incident.

Were the contusions and lumps and maybe the redness not visible because she had hair? Perhaps if his/her head was shaved the injury would have been much more apparent.

But the "If you can't see it, you must not really be hurt is entirely moot if we are to now believe the new and enhanced video....since we can see "something" on the video, even if we don't know what it is or was, so it must have been visible that night.

 

[gxm]

Now I want to know after reading all these posts, what are you supposed to do if your nose is broken?

IANAD (or nurse) but I would say definitely go to your doctor or the emergency room. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Yoda]

It depends on what kind of fracture has been sustained. For an obviously mangled nose, difficulty breathing or profuse bleeding, it is advisable for an individual to be evaluated on an emergent basis. However, for a closed fracture, one in which cartilage and bones have been displaced, one has a window of a couple of weeks before intervention needs to take place. It is advisable for some people to wait at least a few days before going in to the doctor, and certainly they are able to avoid a more costly ER visit, if the main symptoms at the time of the injury are pain, swelling and bleeding which stops after 10-20 minutes application of firm, steady pressure. I advise several people every few months to wait to come in for a few days in order for the swelling to go down. That way the doc can get in there and really see what's going on. X rays aren't usually necessary for fractures. If you wait longer than 2 weeks and it turns out there is a fracture, then repairs typically have to be performed surgically. Not all nose fractures are emergencies.

Animalzrule, are you talking about human noses or animal noses? Jk

Thanks for the info.