17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16

[vlpate]

Well since the entire conversation about the Grand Jury came about because of the article stating Trayvon's 15 year old girl friend had been subpoenaed to testify before the Grand Jury who else are you "just saying" would not be telling the truth (ie. lying)?

I'm not into bashing Trayvon or his girlfriend, I don't know whether she is lying or not. I was just saying exactly what I wrote, "someone". The truth is not established before a GJ hearing, otherwise, why hold one?

Haven't made it to the Grand Jury link yet.

 

[frenchvixen]

BEM: According to his girlfriend, he said he wasn't going to run.

If you believe he was afraid, which he may well have been, why would he not call 911, why wouldn't his girlfriend? Interested in your take.

I'm going after what GZ stated to 911, "he's running now". His GF told him to run but he said that he would just "walk fast". I wish he had run. I still don't understand why he didn't call 911. I would have dialed those numbers so fast if I felt someone was stalking me like that.

I'm assuming his g/f lives in Miami. If you dial 911 in Miami for an Orlando area emergency it might take a while to get through to Orlando. She may not have thought it was such an emergency to call 911.

 

[TonyGatto]

I keep thinking Zimmerman had Martin in a headlock or had him by the hoodie, he only had one hand to control him because I think he had the gun out.

That's definitely the kind of thing that was going on. Maybe the gun was not yet out but GZ was keeping the other hand free to at least keep it on the gun because he knows he can't let TM get hold of it. Either way, I hear in the screams a head lock, a quarter nelson, maybe a struggle for the gun if it has already comes out. The sounds remind me of when a schoolyard fight got really out of hand and one guy has the upper hand and you realize this going from a fistfight to a point where someone is being choked or -- as in a headlock -- the pressure is so great you feel like you may faint. Whoever was screaming was not merely scared, they were on the losing end of the struggle.

 

[Sensei]

BBM



What exactly are you contesting, then? I never claimed it doesn't happen to adults. It's just more likely to happen to children, which the facts support.

You said
Children are much more susceptible to traumatic brain injuries that result in disability or death. While I am terribly sorry that happened to your daughter, respectfully, I don't feel that's quite the same.

I don't understand how it is not quite the same....a head injury is a head injury whether your head is hit against a wall or a concrete sidewalk or the ground. IMO it is precisely the same, whether it is a child or an adult.

 

[legalmania]

Below is the entire statute on the Grand Jury in Fl.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0900-0999/0905/0905ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2011&Title=-%3E2011-%3EChapter%20905


This is the duties of the grand jury.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...ing=&URL=0900-0999/0905/Sections/0905.16.html



Here is another one who can be present during session of the grand jury.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...ing=&URL=0900-0999/0905/Sections/0905.17.html

 

[LambChop]

17 year old boys do not have the mindset of calling 911. Especially if they are people of color. There is a culture thing going on here that people just don't get.

Exactly what I was thinking but I didn't know how to say it. I would have also added a 911 response to TM from LE might have been we'll send someone out as soon as we get a free car. I think it's also pretty clear that young black males may be told by their families it is not a good idea to run away from trouble because it makes it appear you are guilty. That would explain TM saying "I'm not running". jmo

 

[vlpate]

This is coming from George only. Do you suppose LE would have show up if he described TM as a young black male with a hoodie walking in the rain?

No, this is not coming from George only - this is coming from a 911 call. I see no reason for him to lie. I especially find it reaching to believe George came up with the events of the evening prior to seeing Trayvon - and that Trayvon worked everything perfectly in synch with him only to die.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

BEM: According to his girlfriend, he said he wasn't going to run.

If you believe he was afraid, which he may well have been, why would he not call 911, why wouldn't his girlfriend? Interested in your take.

I'm not surprised neither Trayvon or his girlfriend dialed 911. It's a cultural issue to not involve police. JMO from what I've heard from other African Americans.

 

[ynotdivein]

Gentle reminder--use IMO or the :cow: as often as necessary, and link to MSM early and often too.

This post lands at random.

:tyou:

 

[frenchvixen]

I have kind of been wondering if GZ called for help AFTER he shot TM.

I don't think that if it was GZ yelling and screaming on the 911 call that he would have abruptly stopped immediately after he shot, that just doesn't seem likely, would he not keep screaming until he was sure that the attack was over, and then continue screaming to get some help?

Maybe the screaming was TM, and then after the shot, GZ yelled for help and it was not captured on a 911 tape. Just a thought

This is a more believable scenario but the eyewitness who lives right in front of the lawn that the fight took place stated that they were wrestling. I remember another eyewitness (Mary, the blonde with short hair) saying that when she came out GZ was straddling TM (at this point he was already dead). Could this be what the male eyewitness is referring to as "wrestling". I am pretty sure that he said they were both wrestling and TM was on top and GZ on the bottom.

 

[HiHater]

Um...what would Trayvon calling 911 have done? Police were already in route, his call was not going to speed them up...JMO

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I swear too you hear the crack of that shot as it breaks the sound barrier, I don't think it was point blank against Martin.

 

[katydid23]

Um...what would Trayvon calling 911 have done? Police were already in route, his call was not going to speed them up...JMO

I wish he had called 911. Maybe the dispatcher would have recognized the address and then called GZ back on his cell and told him to BACK OFF.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Does it make any sense to any for either one of them to engage in a fight of any kind?
George would be in deep ^^^ if the police arrived and found him holding the boy at gun point. He knew they were coming.
Trayvon had enough going on in his life with the school suspensions not to want any more problems.

How did this happen?

 

[TonyGatto]

I swear too you hear the crack of that shot as it breaks the sound barrier, I don't think it was point blank against Martin.

What does that mean?

 

[katydid23]

I swear too you hear the crack of that shot as it breaks the sound barrier, I don't think it was point blank against Martin.

I know what you mean about the sound---but yet the witnesses speak of a wrestling match taking place on the grass.

 

[m00c0w]

You said
Children are much more susceptible to traumatic brain injuries that result in disability or death. While I am terribly sorry that happened to your daughter, respectfully, I don't feel that's quite the same.

I don't understand how it is not quite the same....a head injury is a head injury whether your head is hit against a wall or a concrete sidewalk or the ground. IMO it is precisely the same, whether it is a child or an adult.

Children are more prone to disability through TBI because their brain is still in development. A 28-year-old male's is not.

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...injury-affects-development-in-young-children/

http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ause-lingering-problems-for-years-study-finds

 

[ynotdivein]

To believe George orchestrated this, one would have to believe Trayvon was in on the act...IMO

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This line goes with, 'he just walking around, looking about, looking at houses'. Why would Trayvon be doing that in the rain, in the dark?


This tells me Trayvon may have been walking slowly, staggering maybe? JMO


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Respectfully snipped for focus.

1. Supposition: Trayvon could have been walking slowly in the dusk, even with rain falling, because he was finally able to talk to his gf away from his fam. He may have been looking around at the houses because he wasn't entirely familiar with where he needed to turn right to get back to where he was staying.

2. There is nothing in MSM to indicate that Tray was staggering, or had any reason to be staggering. Tox tests were apparently performed during his autopsy. Please support inferences with facts.

 

[jjenny]

This is a more believable scenario but the eyewitness who lives right in front of the lawn that the fight took place stated that they were wrestling. I remember another eyewitness (Mary, the blonde with short hair) saying that when she came out GZ was straddling TM (at this point he was already dead). Could this be what the male eyewitness is referring to as "wrestling". I am pretty sure that he said they were both wrestling and TM was on top and GZ on the bottom.

I am pretty sure the witnesses on 911 calls who described them as "wrestling' meant before the shot. Mary C (and her roommate) are the ones who got out after the shot and didn't witness any of the fight.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

What does that mean?

There is a crack you hear along with the shot. If you are standing off to the side when a person shoots you can hear it when the bullet breaks the sound barrier.