17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16

[Sensei]

What does that mean?

I think he means that the gunshot would be muffled if it were very close range directly against TM's chest. You know how they use a pillow in the movies to muffle a gunshot when they don't have a silencer. I am not so sure that he's wrong that a person's body would produce the same effect on the sound of the shot. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[LambChop]

No, this is not coming from George only - this is coming from a 911 call. I see no reason for him to lie. I especially find it reaching to believe George came up with the events of the evening prior to seeing Trayvon - and that Trayvon worked everything perfectly in synch with him only to die.

What 911 call. The reference was to the call to dispatch and GZ's description of TM and why he was a suspect. We have no idea that anything other than TM was walking down the street happened. Hand in the waistband, looking like he's on drugs, etc. all came from GZ's mouth, there are no other witnesses, there is no recording other than what GZ is telling LE dispatch. We have no idea if he is telling the truth or not.

It's not hard to follow someone with a gun and have the results we have here. People do not like to be followed without reason. TM certainly did not appear to have any reason for GZ to be following him, he was on his way home. He was on his own turf, 70 yards from the porch where he was staying. GZ was the intruder. He didn't even live in that section and had no authority to follow him. No one asked GZ to play cops and robbers. No one. jmo

 

[vlpate]

Exactly what I was thinking but I didn't know how to say it. I would have also added a 911 response to TM from LE might have been we'll send someone out as soon as we get a free car. I think it's also pretty clear that young black males may be told by their families it is not a good idea to run away from trouble because it makes it appear you are guilty. That would explain TM saying "I'm not running". jmo

I don't see Trayvon's family teaching him differently than any other mother and father would teach their child? I give his mother more credit than this. Of course she would encourage her son to call 911 and to run if he is scared for his life. I can't imagine any mother telling their child not to run from someone who scares him, and not to call 911 because they'll probably just take their time getting there. In movies, maybe.

LE can't say "when we get a free car". They have to treat every emergency call the same.

 

[LambChop]

Children are more prone to disability through TBI because their brain is still in development. A 28-year-old male's is not.

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...injury-affects-development-in-young-children/

http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ause-lingering-problems-for-years-study-finds

Have you ever been in a TBI unit. They aren't kids in there. jmo

 

[Lovejac]

You know if GZ's brother doesn't give that wacky interview, the injuries stuff would be pretty straight forward. He had some minor injuries with a little blood. It was only the bro who started with the head slamming, being beaten to an inch of his life.

and a 'head slam' away from being in diapers and on a feeding tube.

 

[TonyGatto]

I don't see Trayvon's family teaching him differently than any other mother and father would teach their child? I give his mother more credit than this. Of course she would encourage her son to call 911 and to run if he is scared for his life. I can't imagine any mother telling their child not to run from someone who scares him, and not to call 911 because they'll probably just take their time getting there. In movies, maybe.

LE can't say "when we get a free car". They have to treat every emergency call the same.

Have you ever heard Black people talk about "the talk" they have to have with their sons, about how to act around police, not to run at the wrong time?

 

[m00c0w]

Have you ever been in a TBI unit. They are kids in there. jmo

I know there are. That's exactly what I'm saying.

 

[highflyer]

To believe George orchestrated this, one would have to believe Trayvon was in on the act...IMO


This was true, there had been an average of one per month since August. He was letting him know why he was on alert to people walking around, looking at houses - Trayvon wasn't walking briskly in the rain to get home for the All Star game, or he'd have kept walking.


This line goes with, 'he just walking around, looking about, looking at houses'. Why would Trayvon be doing that in the rain, in the dark?


This tells me Trayvon may have been walking slowly, staggering maybe? JMO


Dispatcher asked him, "white, black or hispanic", to which Zimmerman replied....


Staring at him, George...coming toward him - he's running.


Here he was acknowledging Trayvon was a black male because he wasn't sure at first. Hoodie, rain, dark - understandable...IMO

No, one would not have to believe that Trayvon was in on the act. That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[LambChop]

I don't see Trayvon's family teaching him differently than any other mother and father would teach their child? I give his mother more credit than this. Of course she would encourage her son to call 911 and to run if he is scared for his life. I can't imagine any mother telling their child not to run from someone who scares him, and not to call 911 because they'll probably just take their time getting there. In movies, maybe.

LE can't say "when we get a free car". They have to treat every emergency call the same.

I was being sarcastic about the free car. All I can say is when we are all black then we can truly know what we will tell our kids about what to do when a white man is following them in the dark. Until then I can't criticize TM for doing or not doing anything when we know he was scared. It's the type of behavior you would expect from a normal 17 year old. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I know there are. That's exactly what I'm saying.

I was there too, everyday for months and they were adults. Sorry, I had to correct my post above....I meant to say "they aren't kids in there" jmo

 

[Lovejac]

This case has been astonishing in that respect. Not to be deliberately crude, but this case has been like peeling back a clean white bandage and discovering a gangrenous hate infected wound. It has been shocking to me, and I find myself sickened by the things I am hearing and seeing.

It is my hope, my prayer, that Trayvon's death will serve to tear that bandage away and bring that infection of hate into the light. We have to stop pretending that it isn't real, and attacking the people who want to expose and discuss it. It is PAST time that the good people of this nation say enough, we are not going to tollerate this evil on our streets, we are not going to tolerate it in our families and friends, and we are not going to welcome it into our hearts.

To be blunt, this &*^% has got to stop.

Your post really touched me.

Thank you for those beautiful, heartfelt words. :blowkiss:

 

[m00c0w]

I was there too, everyday for months and they were adults. jmo

I never said there weren't.

 

[vlpate]

What 911 call. The reference was to the call to dispatch and GZ's description of TM and why he was a suspect. We have no idea that anything other than TM was walking down the street happened. Hand in the waistband, looking like he's on drugs, etc. all came from GZ's mouth, there are no other witnesses, there is no recording other than what GZ is telling LE dispatch. We have no idea if he is telling the truth or not.

And yet we take the word of his g/f who waited weeks to come forward with sketchy phone bill? Something tangible vs something we've only heard through an attorney and Trayvon's parents. One has no agenda, IMO, the other does, IMO. I have no doubt he was talking to his girlfriend on February 26 - the rest is her word as to what happened, and that's all it will ever be.

It's not hard to follow someone with a gun and have the results we have here. People do not like to be followed without reason. TM certainly did not appear to have any reason for GZ to be following him,

There is NO way for any of us to know how he "appeared". We weren't there.

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[Isabelle]

I'm not totally convinced it was TM screaming.

I tend to lean toward it as being TM's voice, mainly because of the pitch.

 

[highflyer]

To believe George orchestrated this, one would have to believe Trayvon was in on the act...IMO


This was true, there had been an average of one per month since August. He was letting him know why he was on alert to people walking around, looking at houses - Trayvon wasn't walking briskly in the rain to get home for the All Star game, or he'd have kept walking.


This line goes with, 'he just walking around, looking about, looking at houses'. Why would Trayvon be doing that in the rain, in the dark?


This tells me Trayvon may have been walking slowly, staggering maybe? JMO


Dispatcher asked him, "white, black or hispanic", to which Zimmerman replied....


Staring at him, George...coming toward him - he's running.


Here he was acknowledging Trayvon was a black male because he wasn't sure at first. Hoodie, rain, dark - understandable...IMO

Staggering? Really? After listening to the 911 tape it could of been George staggering perhaps. GZ's voice was slow and slurry.

And looking around in the dark in the rain? TM was visiting. All the places look EXACTLY the same. I'd guess he was trying to find where he was staying.

 

[Isabelle]

BEM: According to his girlfriend, he said he wasn't going to run.

If you believe he was afraid, which he may well have been, why would he not call 911, why wouldn't his girlfriend? Interested in your take.

Simply because he was 17 and at that age they think they are immortal. It's a part of child psychology.

 

[Bee Happy]

I understand TM and his girlfriend not calling 911.
As a teen, I probably encountered situations where I should have, but wasn't really sure if the situation warranted it. If someone were following me (and I had that happen), I'd wonder if I was overreacting...or maybe I thought I could handle it.

It got serious very fast. TM couldn't know he was about to die.

The same for his girlfriend. She may not have realized how serious it was. Would TM get mad if she called? Where would she send them? He'd probably just call her later and tell her what happened.

SMH

 

[Isabelle]

So you think that while he was talking to the dispatcher he was actually planning to kill this kid in cold blood? That is what 'they always get away' means to you?
Because I would think 'they always get away means that they have not been able to catch all of the burglars that had been hitting the complex.

I think it might be a bit of a stretch to say it means he was intending to kill this kid in cold blood all along.

Have any of the other people he called LE about ever been shot at by him?

I am one to wonder if the other people he called LE about really existed?

 

[w1df10wr]

There is a crack you hear along with the shot. If you are standing off to the side when a person shoots you can hear it when the bullet breaks the sound barrier.

Witness on Anderson Cooper 3/29/12-
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/29/acd.02.html
But I wasn't watching out the window during that. And then the next time I looked out the window, there same thing, two men on the grass, one on top of each other. I kind of felt like that I couldn't see a lot of movement, because it was very dark, but I felt like they were scuffling. And then I heard the gunshots, which, to me, were more like pops than they were like a bang.

COOPER: You say gunshots, plural. Was there more than one, to your memory, or was there just one?

UNIDENTIFIED WITNESS: Well, the sound that I had from where I was walking, it was more like a pop, and it definitely was more than one pop noise. So I don't know if it was an echo or anything else, but it definitely made more than one pop. ---

Could it have been the crack noise, followed by the gunshot, that they heard?

 

[Talina]

And yet we take the word of his g/f who waited weeks to come forward with sketchy phone bill? Something tangible vs something we've only heard through an attorney and Trayvon's parents. One has no agenda, IMO, the other does, IMO. I have no doubt he was talking to his girlfriend on February 26 - the rest is her word as to what happened, and that's all it will ever be.


There is NO way for any of us to know how he "appeared". We weren't there.

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BBM

What do you mean by sketchy phone bill? Is there something amiss with her phone records?