17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16

[ynotdivein]

911 calls as posted by City of Sanford.

 

[joypath]

Isn't this what happened to Natasha Richardson after a skiing accident?

YES! and that's why persons who indicate head trauma when EMS answers a call are evaluated by medical professionals in the field and at a clinical facility. The coup-contra-coup injury is based on the science of PHYSICS...soft object hits hard surface in one direction and continues in the opposite direction into the back hard surface.

Here's a great graphic (poster) to explain it: http://catalog.nucleusinc.com/generateexhibit.php?ID=1167

Yes, one has the right to sign a waiver refusing transport to a medical facility. An AMA (against medical advice) waiver should be included with the call/run notes of the EMS team.

Healthcare providers would prefer to give a "clean bill of health" to a patient rather than fill the ME's office with cases.


JMO

 

[mikeysmommom]

I'm not surprised neither Trayvon or his girlfriend dialed 911. It's a cultural issue to not involve police. JMO from what I've heard from other African Americans.

It may be a cultural issue but JMO.It is not a smart one. Unless your doing something you should not be doing safest thing when being followed is to call 911.

 

[Etilema]

I'm not surprised neither Trayvon or his girlfriend dialed 911. It's a cultural issue to not involve police. JMO from what I've heard from other African Americans.

Just yesterday there was a little boy missing in my town, who happened to be black. He was found and returned by police within several hours. The boy's grandfather stated in an interview afterwards that "usually we are angry at the police" but this time they felt thankful to them for their help. Those of us who are not black were struck by that statement coming from a grandfather in a nice, middle-class neighborhood.

 

[suzihawk]

Wonder if Zimmerman carries his phone on his belt? Is that why he said he was reaching for his phone. Was his jacket unzipped when the cops got there?

If it was raining and the cop unzipped Zimmerman's coat to get his gun wouldn't he have zipped it back up for him?

Wait... you think GZ holstered his gun and then zipped his jacket back up AFTER shooting TM?! Or do you think GZ's jacket was already zipped when this all went down? Somehow I had it pictured in my head that GZ's jacket was open as all this went down - just as it was on the police video.

 

[LambChop]

I believe there are two calls where the shot is heard.

There were at least two. If you look on the police report there are a number of witnesses but not all called before the shot. One woman was very upset and told the dispatcher TM was dead and the dispatcher tried to tell her she didn't know that and she said no he's dead. jmo

 

[HiHater]

Not sure if this has been posted already...

"Trayvon's girlfriend was interviewed by the two district attorneys that Special Prosecutor Angela Corey appointed to the case.

She was interviewed last week and her mother was present throughout. She was very forthcoming and had pertinent information to the investigation because she was the last person that talked to Trayvon before George Zimmerman shot and killed him.

It was extremely emotional for her and her mother wanted to make sure it wasn't too much for her. She would be a very compelling witness for the state of Florida if criminal charges are filed against George Zimmmerman."

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/trayvon-martin-girlfriend-talks-special-prosecutor-details#ixzz1r2bF4mFg

 

[mikeysmommom]

BBM - It's the same thing for what GZ says...

GZ was there she was on a phone plus some eye witness's do match what GZ says happened.

 

[Yoda]

17 year old boys do not have the mindset of calling 911. Especially if they are people of color. There is a culture thing going on here that people just don't get.

I read this response and I am confused. I understand the age causing the different mindset because the brain is not fully developed at that age, but not the color of the person causing the different mindset doesn't seem valid.

Inquisitive, trying to understand

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I just find it hard to believe Trayvon was the aggressor in this case, he was not on his home turf, did not know the people around him, it was dark and it appears he did run or walk fast for a bit.

 

[HiHater]

I just find it hard to believe Trayvon was the aggressor in this case, he was not on his home turf, did not know the people around him, it was dark and it appears he did run or walk fast for a bit.

Like Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense, it's usually not true...

:moo::twocents:

 

[Etilema]

No, this is not coming from George only - this is coming from a 911 call. I see no reason for him to lie. I especially find it reaching to believe George came up with the events of the evening prior to seeing Trayvon - and that Trayvon worked everything perfectly in synch with him only to die.

How do you mean that Trayvon had to work in synch? If GZ confronted him and then initiated a physical altercation, that provides a pretext for GZ to shoot and claim self-defense.

 

[LambChop]

Just yesterday there was a little boy missing in my town, who happened to be black. He was found and returned by police within several hours. The boy's grandfather stated in an interview afterwards that "usually we are angry at the police" but this time they felt thankful to them for their help. Those of us who are not black were struck by that statement coming from a grandfather in a nice, middle-class neighborhood.

I know. We just have no clue. Sometimes I would say something very innocent to a black friend only to have them look at me like I had two heads, then explained to me how their view of things are different than ours in certain situations. So to sit here and say, "I would never do that", people are different. They see things differently, react differently and have had many different experiences than we could ever know. But if we listen, we learn and we can correct. Does not matter what color we are, it applies to all. jmo

 

[Etilema]

I just find it hard to believe Trayvon was the aggressor in this case, he was not on his home turf, did not know the people around him, it was dark and it appears he did run or walk fast for a bit.

That is where the character and past behavior stuff comes in. I'd it can be demonstrated that Trayvon was a hot-headed who might very well attack someone who is annoying him (in this case by following and questioning him), then it would be plausible that he was the aggressor, by laying hands on GZ first.

Maybe he could even be believed to be the aggressor if he has burglarized or committed other crimes on the past, because he didn't want to get caught by police.

JMO

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Wait... you think GZ holstered his gun and then zipped his jacket back up AFTER shooting TM?! Or do you think GZ's jacket was already zipped when this all went down? Somehow I had it pictured in my head that GZ's jacket was open as all this went down - just as it was on the police video.

I know, it has me really confused and I am not sure. I would love to hear if Zimmerman unzipped his coat to supposedly get to his phone.

 

[LambChop]

It may be a cultural issue but JMO.It is not a smart one. Unless your doing something you should not be doing safest thing when being followed is to call 911.

I remember that the next time someone is following me with a dog. Not everyone is a GZ. Bet 911 is glad about that. lol

 

[mikeysmommom]

I don't see Trayvon's family teaching him differently than any other mother and father would teach their child? I give his mother more credit than this. Of course she would encourage her son to call 911 and to run if he is scared for his life. I can't imagine any mother telling their child not to run from someone who scares him, and not to call 911 because they'll probably just take their time getting there. In movies, maybe.

LE can't say "when we get a free car". They have to treat every emergency call the same.

Schools also teach children from a very young age all about 911.

 

[Chris_Texas]

From what I understand, and it makes sense, Trayvon was not holding George by his ears, picking up and slamming George's head onto the cement. His head hit the cement when Trayvon decked him, and any hit to George's head Trayvon got in after that, smacked GZ's head to the cement. Makes sense to me.

Consider...

While it is certainly true that, were GZ's head resting against the ground or concrete, any blow to his face would transfer some of that force through his head and into the concrete, any force applied to the front would be absorbed and diminished (through deformation of the face and what not) before it got the the back of his skull.

To see this in action, place your hand flat against the wall or floor, then whack it with your other hand. Which part gets injured first, the part against the wall or the part getting hit?

In other words, if GZ were getting pounded in this way, the back of his head would be the last thing he would feel and complain about. His face would be GONE long before he became concerned about the minor damage to the back of his head.

 

[LambChop]

I know, it has me really confused and I am not sure. I would love to hear if Zimmerman unzipped his supposedly coat to get to his phone.

I'd like to know where his phone was? They didn't appear to have collected it at SPD. jmo

 

[csziggy]

Maybe the blood on GZ was actually TM's and was spatter?

Just thinkin' out loud here.



JMHO

Or transfer - remember GZ was described by at least one witness as standing or kneeling over Trayvon's body with his hands on Trayvon's back. Then GZ stood and put his hands on his head.

No links and JMO.