17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16

[mercuriod]

If GZ was attacked (and he was clearly injured) he had every right to defend himself. Bur since there is a trend of discrediting or disbelieving everything and anything favorable to GZ, it is pointless to point out that there was a witness who saw TM pummeling GZ, the police released information consistent with GZ's account, and he was injured. I think SYG clearly applies here. Maybe the Feds will unearth something that has been missing in this case but I just doubt it. Maybe, just maybe GZ told the truth.

There would NEVER have been any encounter in the first place if GZ had listened to the instructions of the police dispatch operator - WE DO NOT NEED YOU TO FOLLOW HIM - GZ took the law into his own hands and stalked an unarmed youth. GZ is 100% at fault, 100% the aggressor and 100% the one to "start" everything! jmo, imo and all that jazz

 

[Phoenixfla]

If GZ was attacked (and he was clearly injured) he had every right to defend himself. Bur since there is a trend of discrediting or disbelieving everything and anything favorable to GZ, it is pointless to point out that there was a witness who saw TM pummeling GZ, the police released information consistent with GZ's account, and he was injured. I think SYG clearly applies here. Maybe the Feds will unearth something that has been missing in this case but I just doubt it. Maybe, just maybe GZ told the truth.

I agree with you. I think either GZ or TM could have dont a better job difusing the situation, but if it is true that TM was on top of GZ assulting him, GZ had every right to fear for his life.

 

[Aedrys]

If GZ was attacked (and he was clearly injured) he had every right to defend himself. Bur since there is a trend of discrediting or disbelieving everything and anything favorable to GZ, it is pointless to point out that there was a witness who saw TM pummeling GZ, the police released information consistent with GZ's account, and he was injured. I think SYG clearly applies here. Maybe the Feds will unearth something that has been missing in this case but I just doubt it. Maybe, just maybe GZ told the truth.

But he started everything. He antagonized Trayvon by pursuing him with a gun. That cannot be okay to do. Stand Your Ground has to do with being attacked first, not pursuing someone and then being attacked. That is just not right.

 

[Elley Mae]

Where do you think GZ's location was when he was told "We don't want you to do that?" At some point GZ he got out of his truck and ran/moved quickly behind TM. He's heard breathing heavy on the dispatch call when the dispatch tells him "we don't need you to do that."

Where was GZ located when he was told that?

George Zimmerman 911 call about Trayvon Martin UnRedacted - YouTube

He was already out of the car, and GZ reporting on TM's movements led the dispatcher to question, Are you following him now? in which GZ replied "yes" and then dispatch said, "we don't need you to do that" I have thought that when TM left the road and went to the sidewalk behind the homes that he was trying to shake GZ off cause he was in a vehicle.

 

[Chris_Texas]

I don't have the link right now but his mother said it was a pin in honor of a mentor of his that died recently....very scary, right?

*shiver*

 

[Sensei]

If GZ was attacked (and he was clearly injured) he had every right to defend himself. Bur since there is a trend of discrediting or disbelieving everything and anything favorable to GZ, it is pointless to point out that there was a witness who saw TM pummeling GZ, the police released information consistent with GZ's account, and he was injured. I think SYG clearly applies here. Maybe the Feds will unearth something that has been missing in this case but I just doubt it. Maybe, just maybe GZ told the truth.

If GZ told the truth, then I wonder about the changing and evolving stories that we have. Even if you dismiss the story that Travyons father tells of what the LE Officer said about TM's hand over GZ's mouth and telling him to shut up and stuff, there is the story that was told by Chief Lee, then we have GZ's Dad who said that GZ never followed Trayvon, then he got out of his truck to look for a street sign, no no wait, it was an address, and of course GZ was jumped from behind, and then with one mighty punch TM broke his nose and knocked him flat and then jumped on him and beat his head into the ground or concrete whichever one is mentioned first. And he had huge gaping lacerations on his head that needed stitches, no no it was only contusions....

Do you think these people are just making this up out of whole cloth without ever talking to GZ, and then going on tv to try and help him?

Something is just not right with the whole thing and if GZ is in fact telling the truth, then perhaps he should not have so many spokespeople out there telling different stories. We still don't know exactly what he actually said happened that night and it might be entirely different than any of those.
IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Concerned Papa]

HUH?

Trayvon Martin made his own 911 call before his death; FBI investigates

Chicago's ABC News 7 reports Monday that Trayvon Martin, the Florida teen who was shot and killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer, made his own call to 911 just moments before his death.

ABC News 7 reports the FBI is attempting to determine if 17-year-old Trayvon Martin’s 911 call captured his killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman’s voice in the background, and if the audio can be enhanced to more clearly hear what was said.

http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-ca...efore-his-death-fbi-investigates?CID=obinsite

Has anyone heard or read anything about THIS?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

They don't have anything to sue for, yet.

I respectfully disagree. Yes they do. Wrongful death to start. Happened on their property to a person who had the right to be there (invited visitor of resident). Possibly even negligence as GZ was recognized by the HOA as a NWC.

But they sure do have a whole lot right now that would be grounds in filing a suit.




JMHO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

There would NEVER have been any encounter in the first place if GZ had listened to the instructions of the police dispatch operator - WE DO NOT NEED YOU TO FOLLOW HIM - GZ took the law into his own hands and stalked an unarmed youth. GZ is 100% at fault, 100% the aggressor and 100% the one to "start" everything! jmo, imo and all that jazz

Well he didn't, and TM may have attacked him for it. GZ did nothing illegal that we know of. It's just as accurate to say that nothing would have happened if TM stayed home that night.

 

[Adrienne37]

Yep, as usual Taaffe isn't helping Zimmerman's case at all....

Taffe says, “We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot. It would have been nine - there would have been nine, but George Zimmerman through his efforts of being a neighborhood watch captain helped stop one in progress, documented in the 911 calls February 2. My house was being robbed, and George on his nightly rounds watched this burglary in progress, called Sanford P.D., waited for them, and helped ensure that nothing bad happened to my house. And it's documented the 911 call for February 2. That was my residence that George Zimmerman helped stop.”

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...g-black-males-if-you-plant-corn-you-get-corn/

Again, according to Wendy Dorival, SFP liaison between Neighborhood watch groups and LE specifically instructed Zimmerman's group that they were not to even make rounds so why was Zimmerman out doing "his rounds." It seems to me that Zimmerman had a problem listening and following very simple instructions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46830953/#.T3xtVKs1_TC

In Sanford, she said, watch groups are not even supposed to make the rounds. That is the job of another kind of volunteer organization, Citizens on Patrol, whose members are selected and trained by the police and who drive the streets in a specially marked vehicle. Members of that group, Ms. Dorival said, “are armed only with a radio.”


~jmo~

 

[Horace Finklestein]

But he started everything. He antagonized Trayvon by pursuing him with a gun. That cannot be okay to do. Stand Your Ground has to do with being attacked first, not pursuing someone and then being attacked. That is just not right.

How do you know he brandished his gun? Did TM know he had a gun? He may well have been attacked by TM, who was angry about being followed. SYG would certainly apply in that instance. TM could have escalated the situation into a physical conflict.

 

[Storm]

GZ was there she was on a phone plus some eye witness's do match what GZ says happened.

The question and the very essence of this case is WHY was GZ there? ^i^

 

[Phoenixfla]

There would NEVER have been any encounter in the first place if GZ had listened to the instructions of the police dispatch operator - WE DO NOT NEED YOU TO FOLLOW HIM - GZ took the law into his own hands and stalked an unarmed youth. GZ is 100% at fault, 100% the aggressor and 100% the one to "start" everything! jmo, imo and all that jazz

He did not take the advise of a police dispatcher, but that is not in itsself a crime.

Had things turned out differently, and he actually did assist the police in capturing a burgler by following and reporting that information to the police, the neighborhood would be pinning a metal on him.

IMO a chrime was not committed until one party layed a hand on the other. Now we just need to figure out which one that was.

 

[suzihawk]

It was CNN’s Soledad O’Brien on their morning show. Video for that here: http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...g-black-males-if-you-plant-corn-you-get-corn/

:waitasec:

Taaffe is NOT doing GZ any favors, IMO.

Thank you so much for finding that. I hadn't seen the entire thing. I guess what I saw was a replay on another news program as they only showed the part about, "if you plant corn, you get corn". As I said, the other members of the panel were flabbergasted.

Amazing, isn't it? smh

 

[Wise Old Owl]

HUH?



Has anyone heard or read anything about THIS?

OMG

No papa - haven't heard this AT ALL. About a week ago - remember that one local TV station was reporting something about TM and 911. We all concluded that it was a "mis-leading" statement and they were talking about GZ's 911 call OR the 911 call showing on TM's records that was made on 3/2.


Wow! This could be huge. Why wasn't that showing on that screen shot of that page of phone records that we have? How could TM have had time to call 911 during the incident? Or, maybe TM called 911 BEFORE the gf called him? They why wouldn't he have told the gf that he had called 911?

Ugh!!! :banghead: hate when the media does this carp!




JMHO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I don't have the link right now but his mother said it was a pin in honor of a mentor of his that died recently....very scary, right?

Did GZ say he was scared because of the button? I think he just used that as a way of describing TM.

 

[mercuriod]

Well he didn't, and TM may have attacked him for it. GZ did nothing illegal that we know of. It's just as accurate to say that nothing would have happened if TM stayed home that night.

Saying that it would not have happened if TM stayed home that night is just a red herring defense! TM did NOTHING illegal that we know of, it's just as accurate to say that nothing would have happened if GZ had stayed home that night!

Oh but TM wasn't the one driving around with a loaded gun on his person, TM wasn't the one calling the police because he saw a black male teenager walking down the street, TM wasn't the one stalking someone just because he was a black male teenager, TM didn't do one thing wrong, but GZ sure did, and TM paid the price!

 

[ohiogirl]

Until he's charged with something why retain and pay him, for what?

Legal advice?

 

[Donjeta]

Yep, as usual Taaffe isn't helping Zimmerman's case at all....

Taffe says, “We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot. It would have been nine - there would have been nine, but George Zimmerman through his efforts of being a neighborhood watch captain helped stop one in progress, documented in the 911 calls February 2. My house was being robbed, and George on his nightly rounds watched this burglary in progress, called Sanford P.D., waited for them, and helped ensure that nothing bad happened to my house. And it's documented the 911 call for February 2. That was my residence that George Zimmerman helped stop.”

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...g-black-males-if-you-plant-corn-you-get-corn/

Again, according to Wendy Dorival, SFP liaison between Neighborhood watch groups and LE specifically instructed Zimmerman's group that they were not to even make rounds so why was Zimmerman out doing "his rounds." It seems to me that Zimmerman had a problem listening and following very simple instructions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46830953/#.T3xtVKs1_TC

In Sanford, she said, watch groups are not even supposed to make the rounds. That is the job of another kind of volunteer organization, Citizens on Patrol, whose members are selected and trained by the police and who drive the streets in a specially marked vehicle. Members of that group, Ms. Dorival said, “are armed only with a radio.”


~jmo~

HLN has confirmed that Sanford Police records show that Zimmerman did call police on February 2.

Zimmerman's complaint on the city's website from February 2 says, "Black male (leather jacket, black hat, printed PJ pants) keeps going to the residence which is owned by a white male. Black male subject in question was gone upon police arrival." The complaint also lists an address that matches Taaffee's residence.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/04/03/zimmermans-neighbor-perfect-storm-caused-shooting

Has it been confirmed that there really was a robbery in progress there?
Any signs of forced entry? Anything stolen?

Someone could be playing the hero stopping non-existent burglaries in progress.

 

[Adrienne37]

OMG

No papa - haven't heard this AT ALL. About a week ago - remember that one local TV station was reporting something about TM and 911. We all concluded that it was a "mis-leading" statement and they were talking about GZ's 911 call OR the 911 call showing on TM's records that was made on 3/2.


Wow! This could be huge. Why wasn't that showing on that screen shot of that page of phone records that we have? How could TM have had time to call 911 during the incident? Or, maybe TM called 911 BEFORE the gf called him? They why wouldn't he have told the gf that he had called 911?

Ugh!!! :banghead: hate when the media does this carp!




JMHO

IIRC, the news station came back and stated that they had their information wrong. I can't remember the date this happened but we talked about it quite extensively.



~jmo~