17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #17

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  • #241
"It was drizzling, and he asked Martin if they could go inside. When they were seated he pulled out a photo. It was Trayvon, dead at the scene - his eyes rolled back, a tear on his cheek, saliva coming from his mouth. "From that point, our nightmare," Martin said."


"a tear on his cheek"

this breaks my heart, Trayvon must have been so frightened, confused and in pain. :maddening:

http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/t...r=news.yahoo.com&_intl=us&_lang=en-us&_al=off

It breaks my heart too and I can't wait until the day that I log on and see Zimmerman is behind bars where he belongs. What a cold and heartless way to tell a parent that their child is dead. It's sickening and disgusting. I can't imagine what Mr. Martin felt at that moment.


~jmo~
 
  • #242
I disagree with that lawyer. The civil rights Act is very encompassing and has much more than just racial slurs/hate crimes. The Feds can find many other reasons to step in, including biased investigation by L.E. and by other Sanford officials.
All IMO.
I am Just repeating what i heard.He said without a slur there would only be state charges.......Sorry no link as i just watched it on AC360.. JMHO IMHO and all that
 
  • #243
Anyone watch Hannity tonight? GZ's father and both his lawyers were on. It may repeat later for those on the west coast.
 
  • #244
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Medically....no. However, we try and preserve as much of the crime scene as possible. The real question is how dead was TM and what are the local protocols re: traumatic cardiac arrest. In our system we don't have to work blunt trauma cardiac arrests. We still have to work penetrating trauma such as GSW's or stab wounds unless there are obvious signs of death such as rigor/livor mortis, decapitation, out pouring of cranial contents, etc. The PD starting CPR doesn't really mean much. They have no way of assessing his heart rhythm or the extent of his injuries. If EMS got there and he was pulseless and apniec (not breathing) and showed asystole (flat line) on the cardiac monitor, they may not have had to work him. To assess GZ and sign him off may have taken a couple of minutes, especially if the cops helped him clean up to get a better look at his wounds. With the limited amount of info we have at this time, that's the best I can do without pure speculation.

TM was shot at 7:16 and 44 seconds according to the recording of the 911 call that had both the screaming and the gunshot on it. The first police officers arrived on the scene at 7:17 according to their reports and pretty quickly began CPR. A third officer arrived on the scene and continued CPR.

The arrival time of the EMTs is unknown, but TM was pronounced at 7:30. After that is when they must have had time to deal with GZ in the back of the police car.
 
  • #245
I am Just repeating what i heard.He said without a slur there would only be state charges.......Sorry no link as i just watched it on AC360.. JMHO IMHO and all that

It wasn't just some lawyer -- it was Jeffrey Toobin! Clearly the Feds are investigating and the civil rights act gives them great leeway -- but they still have to find some sort of wrongdoing with racial motive. It's been stated here that the fact that they are involved is because there was a racial slur uttered by GZ. Not necessarily true. That's what they're investigating.
 
  • #246
I did watch a live press conference on one Orlando's local station WFTV shortly after this happened. In that press conf the PD did say that they have the hospital report from where GZ visits the day after the shooting. I doubt that his family would being saying that his nose was broke if it wasn't backed up on that report.

I'll believe it when I see the reports :moo:
 
  • #247
I disagree with that lawyer. The civil rights Act is very encompassing and has much more than just racial slurs/hate crimes. The Feds can find many other reasons to step in, including biased investigation by L.E. and by other Sanford officials.
All IMO.

Actually, the guy on AC360 said it did involve other things besides the racial slur. But the main focus (of the discussion) was the racial slur.

MOO since I don't have a link.
 
  • #248
Well, here's a sample: Mr. Sonner says that his client has been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion and that we should all wait for the facts to come out, because there's not a single thing in the media that is admissible in court (??!!). Then he said that the only facts we know are that GZ was attacked by TM, and suffered a broken nose and had his head bashed. Piers called him on that and said "No, we do NOT know all that for a fact; that is your client's account". Sonner replied "That's what I'm saying, we don't know all the facts yet."

Confused? So is Mr. Sonner, apparently. :giggle:

There were two attorneys there, the other one explained to PM that there was an eyewitness who saw Trayvon beating GZ - which is a fact, according to the other attorney - can't recall his name. I caught what you are saying - the time delay was making it confusing. JMO
 
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After all this time? He is hiding, IMO, because new black panthers are after him.

OMG, that's funny. The real watchmen are coming to get him. I just thought about the attorneys on Piers tonight stating that it's not even a fat that TM went to the store.. and that maybe he was just walking around. Piers responded how would you know it's a fact Trayvon is dead so he can't state the facts. I can't believe that they are attacking something that has been documented. I'm sure there are cameras at the 711 but no one has really disputed this fact. But, his attorneys would rather dispute that instead of explain wht was GZ doing following TM?
 
  • #251
Anyone watch Hannity tonight? GZ's father and both his lawyers were on. It may repeat later for those on the west coast.

Shoot, I missed it. Was GZ's father is shadow?
 
  • #252
Would report prove who inflicted harm? Just sayin'......

No, I was talking about whether GZ has a broken nose or not.
 
  • #253
I am Just repeating what i heard.He said without a slur there would only be state charges.......Sorry no link as i just watched it on AC360.. JMHO IMHO and all that

Yep. I heard the same thing too.But I take defense lawyers statements with a grain of salt. The Feds are already involved and their M.O. is generally to let the State do their dog and pony show first and if they do not like the outcome, they step in with their sizable justice machine.
 
  • #254
TM was shot at 7:16 and 44 seconds according to the recording of the 911 call that had both the screaming and the gunshot on it. The first police officers arrived on the scene at 7:17 according to their reports and pretty quickly began CPR. A third officer arrived on the scene and continued CPR.

The arrival time of the EMTs is unknown, but TM was pronounced at 7:30. After that is when they must have had time to deal with GZ in the back of the police car.

There may have been other EMT working on GZ? There was an ambulance and the SFD - not sure how it works, but I've had asthma attacks - fire gets there first, they hook me up and then the ambulance people take over. Just a thought.
 
  • #255
Anyone watch Hannity tonight? GZ's father and both his lawyers were on. It may repeat later for those on the west coast.

Sorry never watch Fox. Bad for my blood pressure. Is GZ's father depicted like Alfred Hitchcock again?.
 
  • #256
Piers Morgan did an awful job. He was not up on his facts, not realizing that it's NOT against the law for GZ to have had a gun as captain of the NW. He started out by saying the "vast majority of Americans" think GZ should be arrested. Fell into the trap of saying cops told him to "stop" following TM. I like Piers -- but he just did not have his facts and it showed. As I posted during the broadcast -- he could take a lesson or two from Lawrence O'Donnell.
 
  • #257
No, I was talking about whether GZ has a broken nose or not.

More I think about it--does it really matter if he did have a broken nose or cuts/lacerations? So there was an altercation....they happen all the time. Big deal. Never participated in but have seen a few fistfights. Cops were on the way. No way Trayvon could outmuscle a gun though. JMVHO
 
  • #258
Sorry never watch Fox. Bad for my blood pressure. Is GZ's father depicted like Alfred Hitchcock again?.

Hahahahahahah! GOOOOD EVENING.
 
  • #259
TM was shot at 7:16 and 44 seconds according to the recording of the 911 call that had both the screaming and the gunshot on it. The first police officers arrived on the scene at 7:17 according to their reports and pretty quickly began CPR. A third officer arrived on the scene and continued CPR.

The arrival time of the EMTs is unknown, but TM was pronounced at 7:30. After that is when they must have had time to deal with GZ in the back of the police car.

I think the fact that the time of the gunshot is on record is very important. There are people that are defending GZ so staunchly .. that they have gone so far as to imply tht the SYG laws only apply to GZ. So, as TM's attorney bought up this evening on Piers.. The phone records show that TM was on the phone with his girlfriend and the call ended at 7:12p. If TM is shot at 7:16p please explain to me how all of this took place that GZ's team is referring to?
 
  • #260
OMG, that's funny. The real watchmen are coming to get him. I just thought about the attorneys on Piers tonight stating that it's not even a fat that TM went to the store.. and that maybe he was just walking around. Piers responded how would you know it's a fact Trayvon is dead so he can't state the facts. I can't believe that they are attacking something that has been documented. I'm sure there are cameras at the 711 but no one has really disputed this fact. But, his attorneys would rather dispute that instead of explain wht was GZ doing following TM?

I thought the attorneys did a good job explaining what was and what was not illegal to Piers, he thought if he asked the question differently 3 or 4 times, he might get a different answer, lol.
 
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