17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #17

[TonyGatto]

Uhrig said he didn't feel the need to see his client eye to eye.

Yeah I heard that. Just feel there's something more to it, which may simply be that GZ is far, far away -- maybe even out of the country --which I've suggested before.

 

[uvamerica]

I would think initial eye contact would be important. jmo

How many lawyers take cases over the phone without meeting the client ? And this case is over a month old now. GZ has had the first lawyer for at least a what a couple of weeks ?

:moo:

 

[highflyer]

Yeah I heard that. Just feel there's something more to it, which may simply be that GZ is far, far away -- maybe even out of the country --which I've suggested before.

I've also wondered about that.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

:seeya:

Hi Razorback :seeya: It was back in the day.

 

[ecs5298]

It was reported (and you may not know if this is possible) that GZ had a gash on his head and went to the doctor's the following day only to have the doctor say that the injury had healed and he could no longer do stitches? Does that sound reasonable?

BBM:

Totally reasonable. Usually they won't stitch if it's been longer than 6 hours or so. It also depends on what kind of wound he had. Was it an abrasion or laceration. Was the laceration smooth or jagged. Was it deep or shallow, etc.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

:floorlaugh:Starting to understand so many things better now. :slap:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[jjenny]

Zimmerman's lawyer: Cub Scout leader, martial-arts expert, one-man law firm

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...n-lawyer-sonner-20120403,0,2775283,full.story

Craig Sonner has never defended a client accused in a homicide, but he now represents George Zimmerman, the man at the center of one of the nation's most racially divisive shootings in years.
....

Never defended a client accused of homicide? Why did Zimmerman get this guy? I mean, it's no brainier to me, if you are facing potential charges get a lawyer experienced in defending this type of allegations.

 

[Desdemona]

Questions:

Is it correct that one ambulance responded to the scene, and the call for a second rescue unit was later rescinded/canceled?

And is it correct that TM was pronounced dead at the scene and his body was therefore not transported to a hospital, but rather to the ME?

Was TM's body transported to the ME in the ambulance that had reported to the scene, or via some other conveyance? And who treated GZ at the scene?

IOW, was the the second unit canceled because it wasn't needed for GZ, or because it wasn't needed for TM?

TIA

 

[suzihawk]

Spraying kids he believed to be bullies just for walking down his street?

Okay, THAT's out of line and a far cry from what has been discussed here for so many pages.

And the reason it is wrong is not because water is going to kill a kid, but because GZ seems to have appointed himself judge, jury and executioner and found nothing wrong with doing so. Which in turn may have everything to do with what happened to TM.

Exactly. It fits the pattern of him targeting those he thinks he can push around and bully so he can be the big man on campus. MOO

 

[ecs5298]

Questions:

Is it correct that one ambulance responded to the scene, and the call for a second rescue unit was later rescinded/canceled?

And is it correct that TM was pronounced dead at the scene and his body was therefore not transported to a hospital, but rather to the ME?

Was TM's body transported to the ME in the ambulance that had reported to the scene, or via some other conveyance? And who treated GZ at the scene?

IOW, was the the second unit canceled because it wasn't needed for GZ, or because it wasn't needed for TM?

TIA

To answer your questions.....yes!

More than likely they worked on TM until he was met the criteria for termination of resuscitation. Then they probably checked on GZ and cancelled the other ambulance. TM would have been left on scene and transported by the medical examiner.

 

[grandmaj]

It was reported (and you may not know if this is possible) that GZ had a gash on his head and went to the doctor's the following day only to have the doctor say that the injury had healed and he could no longer do stitches? Does that sound reasonable?

I can't answer that question LambChop. Sorry. I don't know the answer.

 

[kimpage]

If a head injury is bad couldnt EMS have forced GZ to go to the hospital????? Why risk it being something serious couldnt they get sued???? IMHO






OT: I was in a car accident hit a telephone pole...I was out of car walking and told officer no way was i going to hospital, he said ok...EMS show up as i am sitting talking they asked if i wore a seatbelt i said no..Well they literally laid me on the ground put neckbrace on and made me go to hospital by ambulance...I was not seriously injured but was seriously ticked off....LOL

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

How many lawyers take cases over the phone without meeting the client ? And this case is over a month old now. GZ has had the first lawyer for at least a what a couple of weeks ?

:moo:

Good point. I don't think, as a defendant, I would want a lawyer I hadn't met either unless it was one of the big guns we all are familiar with now.

 

[ecs5298]

If a head injury is bad couldnt EMS have forced GZ to go to the hospital????? Why risk it being something serious couldnt they get sued???? IMHO






OT: I was in a car accident hit a telephone pole...I was out of car walking and told officer no way was i going to hospital, he said ok...EMS show up as i am sitting talking they asked if i wore a seatbelt i said no..Well they literally laid me on the ground put neckbrace on and made me go to hospital by ambulance...I was not seriously injured but was seriously ticked off....LOL

See my post up thread. Basically...if he's awake and alert and in his right mind....no...they can't make him.

 

[uvamerica]

Good point. I don't think, as a defendant, I would want a lawyer I hadn't met either unless it was one of the big guns we all are familiar with now.

:rocker:
Even with the big guns I'd still want to see him/her, I'd want them to see me also if I were hurt that bad and innocent to boot !

 

[Desdemona]

To answer your questions.....yes!

More than likely they worked on TM until he was met the criteria for termination of resuscitation. Then they probably checked on GZ and cancelled the other ambulance. TM would have been left on scene and transported by the medical examiner.

Wow, you explained that so succinctly. Makes perfect sense IMO. Thank You!!

 

[Reader]

From the link above

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...n-lawyer-sonner-20120403,0,2775283,full.story

The basis of his defense: Florida's stand-your-ground law, which allows a person who reasonably fears imminent death or great bodily harm to use lethal force.

Question: How can he claim this defense when HE was the one to pursue and confront Trayvon?

If he was in fear of Trayvon all he had to do was stay in his vehicle and let the LE, who he himself had called, do their job.

If you are in fear of someone you don't chase them, start an argument which leads to a fight which you know you can win because you have a gun, and FINALLY can stop those ******** from getting away....

Oh, wait.....

IMO

 

[Reader]

If a head injury is bad couldnt EMS have forced GZ to go to the hospital????? Why risk it being something serious couldnt they get sued???? IMHO






OT: I was in a car accident hit a telephone pole...I was out of car walking and told officer no way was i going to hospital, he said ok...EMS show up as i am sitting talking they asked if i wore a seatbelt i said no..Well they literally laid me on the ground put neckbrace on and made me go to hospital by ambulance...I was not seriously injured but was seriously ticked off....LOL

BBM - I think it was explained above that the person would have to sign a release....

 

[Adrienne37]

See my post up thread. Basically...if he's awake and alert and in his right mind....no...they can't make him.

EMS can't make him but can't the police drive him to the hospital themselves if they determined they were going to detain him and he had injuries that would warrant examination by a physician? Every hospital I've worked for in the state of Florida, we've always had many persons escorted in by LE to be assessed and cleared prior to being taken to the jail, questioning or otherwise. Why would LE assume responsibility for a person with a possible head injury if they weren't checked and cleared by a physician and then had a seizure or lost consciousness once they were at the jail? They could have the potential to open themselves up to a major lawsuit if the person that was detained wasn't cleared by a physician and ended up being paralyzed or perhaps even died.


~jmo~

 

[Allusonz]

on Piers. Caveat: I only heard Piers say they said that as I missed the actual lawyers! But there was some discussion about it and that's when one of the lawyers said how he didn't need to meet with him and how the police had done a voice stress test. That's about all I got from it.

My not very nice, but quite possible thought is that the lawyers have deliberately stayed away so they will not be restricting themselves regarding testimony and evidence they may want to introduce like, for example, about GZ's horrible injuries. In general, ethical rules prohibit certain things that may come into play here. A lawyer can't make a false statement of fact to a court, a lawyer can't make a false statement of material fact to a third person and a lawyer can't engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation. So, the less you know the more you can allow to be introduced. That's also why most attorneys don't want to know if you're guilty because that really ties their hands! Who ever said a trial was a search for truth was probably never in a courtroom, especially not in FL! (not fair, I know, but the Pinellas 12 will never be forgotten!)

Can someone confirm for me whether this statement is accurate?

"He is confident of their client's self-defense claim, Uhrig told WOFL, in part because Zimmerman has already passed a voice-stress test, something similar to a lie-detector test, administered by Sanford police"


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._defense-team-lawrence-o-donnell-wofl-channel

Thanks in advance to anyone that help me with this.