17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #17

[Helplessly Hoping]

Crump coming off much less defensive than ,well, the defense attorneys. Saying Trayvon had a right to defend himself. Says that body being many yards away from the vehicle supports the contention that Zimmerman had pursued Trayvon.

From Piers Morgan tonight.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Did we ever get a time line together for this case?

 

[deelytful1]

Crump just asking for a fair trail... not even a conviction (Piers Morgan)
I think Trayvon and his family is worth at LEAST that!!!

Oh no! Ted Nugent up next :sick:

 

[Velouria]

Mr. Oliver was the "friend" right?

I think it depends on who you ask. He was a co-worker and seemed to know of George mainly through his wife, who was friends with Zimmerman's mother. Sounds more like an acquaintance to me. At any rate, he had no credibility whatsoever.

Thus far I have not been impressed with anyone who claims to represent GZ's interests - not Oliver, Taafe, Sonner, his brother nor his father. None of them seem to be able to elucidate any facts in a consistent and believable manner, or even sound like they've had a thorough discussion with GZ regarding what happened that night.

IMHO

 

[LolaMoon08]

I grew up living next door to the neighborhood bully. He would stand in his yard and hose anyone and everyone that went by including cars, bikes. One Sunday morning he wet the entire family across the street while they were getting in their car to leave for church. The neighbor called LE, and the bully was taken to juvenile hall. This wasn't the first time someone had gotten fed up and called LE.
This kid was 13yrs old, the hose spraying was a juvenile act.
An adult like GZ doing this, means he's immature, and really doesn't know how to handle himself in these situations. Letting GZ have a weapon was a big mistake. :moo::moo:

I had a bully once... a little girl that always bit me. Like, she would really bite me hard. I finally cried to my dad about her... and he told me: the next time she bites you... slap her... and slap her hard! Next time she did bite me... I did what my dad told me to do... she never bit me again! I was only 5-years-old!

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Crump talking about Zimmerman's family saying how badly he was beaten and asking the obvious--why no bandaid on head or trip to the hospital?

ME~Still can't believe EMT's would let such a severe head injury go unattended. JMO

 

[suzihawk]

Dammit! I was watching AI and didn't switch over to Piers Morgan in time to catch but just the tail end.

 

[deelytful1]

Ted Nugent talking about SYG as it applies to home invasion!! THAT I believe in... what happened here is NOT the same Mr Nugent...

 

[Velouria]

Oh NOOOOO! Now Ted Nugent is chiming in on the case on Piers Morgan.

Thank goodness for the mute button.

 

[JeannaT]

Crump just asking for a fair trail... not even a conviction (Piers Morgan)
I think Trayvon and his family is worth at LEAST that!!!

Oh no! Ted Nugent up next :sick:

I don't think there should be a trial if there isn't evidence to support that GZ committed a crime.

It isn't a crime to follow someone, to keep an eye on them once you've called LE. It isn't a crime to shoot someone to death who is causing you grievous harm or a reasonable person would think they were about to cause grievous harm or death.

The video in the police station, the clear version of the video, makes the injuries to the back of GZ's head obvious. The witnesses report that Trayvon was on top of George, as the evidence suggests.

You can't take someone to criminal court just because it's sad that a young man has died. A crime, that's reasonably provable, has to have been committed. I don't want the decision whether to charge someone with a crime to be a result of a popularity vote by the public, or the grief of the family of the deceased. It needs to be made by the court system, the blind lady holding the scales of justice.

This case is appropriate for civil court, where you can seek redress for losses where a crime hasn't occurred.

 

[rbrnmw2]

Didn't Trayvon's gf attend his funeral? IIRC his cousin says he met her there. So IMO she didn't wait 3 weeks to report anything, her parents didn't want her to talk to le because she was in a fragile state? IMO moo jmo

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[deelytful1]

I don't think there should be a trial if there isn't evidence to support that GZ committed a crime.

It isn't a crime to follow someone, to keep an eye on them once you've called LE. It isn't a crime to shoot someone to death who is causing you grievous harm or a reasonable person would think they were about to cause grievous harm or death.

The video in the police station, the clear version of the video, makes the injuries to the back of GZ's head obvious. The witnesses report that Trayvon was on top of George, as the evidence suggests.

You can't take someone to criminal court just because it's sad that a young man has died. A crime, that's reasonably provable, has to have been committed.

This case is appropriate for civil court, where you can seek redress for losses where a crime hasn't occurred.

It was a CRIME.. My opinion, my belief and the belief of MANY MANY others. Nothing ANYONE but a court of law can say (or say and say and say over and over again) or do will ever convince me otherwise.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Dammit! I was watching AI and didn't switch over to Piers Morgan in time to catch but just the tail end.

I think it might repeat at midnight. HTH.

 

[vlpate]

Crump talking about Zimmerman's family saying how badly he was beaten and asking the obvious--why no bandaid on head or trip to the hospital?

ME~Still can't believe EMT's would let such a severe head injury go unattended. JMO

Many people have died from head injuries that didn't break the skin. The law doesn't require one to sustain discernible injuries to prove self defense.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Oh, there's going to be a trial. George Zimmerman will be charged and arrested for Manslaughter in the next six days. He may even be charged with a separate Federal charge too.

Then we will finally get a Doc. Dump. and be able to see Zimmerman's original statements, his original audio interview, and walk through. We will also get Trayvon's autopsy!

MOO

 

[LambChop]

"George would stick up for a chubby boy in the neighborhood who was being bullied, recalled Austin (who, like Stephanie, asked that his last name not be used). “And if George saw bullies walking by his house, he would pull out his hose and spray them down and tell them they were wasting their time and to go and do something else.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/u...-review-of-ideals.html?pagewanted=4&src=twrhp

Thanks for that link: On the last page is this statement from RZ SR.:

Mr. Zimmerman’s father watched from nearby. “They started where his vehicle was,” he recalled. “They walked him down the sidewalk and to the end of the sidewalk, to the street where he got an address and then walked him back towards his vehicle, near where the incident occurred.”

Why would GZ be walking to get an address when he didn't know where TM had gone? In one of the videos taken after the shooting if that was GZ's SUV sitting there it was pointed towards the cut through and not parked across the street going the other way. If he did not know where TM was and was sure he was headed toward the back gate why wasn't he down there looking for TM? He had the car and it would take him no time to get down there and back. I mean he was so sure on the LE tape that TM was headed for that back gate.

Could it be that GA was looking for TM in the car and TM could see him through the buildings and was waiting until he thought it was safe to run home? GZ not seeing TM down by the gate while driving down that "next street over" could have circled back and then parked at the cut thru only to get out and find TM hiding behind the buildings????

To me that statement by Mr. RG sounds odd. If GZ did not know where TM was why was he going to check the next street address when he was already on a street parked with an address right there. That is what he would report to LE as the last place he saw TM. Not the next street over???? Something's not right with this statement. And why would he walk to check out the next street just to get an address. Makes no sense???? jmo

 

[JeannaT]

It was a CRIME.. My opinion, my belief and the belief of MANY MANY others. Nothing ANYONE but a court of law can say (or say and say and say over and over again) or do will ever convince me otherwise.

The public's opinion on whether a crime has been committed isn't as relevant as the criminal justice system's opinion.

Since I don't see any crime was committed, maybe I kind of have myopic vision on this and don't understand where anyone else sees a crime. It's not a crime to disobey a dispatcher's suggestion. It's not a crime to follow someone after you've called LE. It's not a crime to shoot to kill if you're being beaten up. I don't see any crimes here.

 

[Velouria]

This case is appropriate for civil court, where you can seek redress for losses where a crime hasn't occurred.

respectfully snipped

That's your opinion, which you are certainly entitled to.

One can also sue in civil court for damages when a crime HAS been committed. IMO, that will happen here, along with criminal charges against GZ.

We don't know yet that there is insufficient evidence to file charges, as we don't have access to all of the information that the SP has.

The lead investigator seemed to think there was enough evidence to arrest GZ that night. Guess we'll just have to wait and see if the the Special Prosecutor agrees with Wolfinger's decision to give him a pass.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Many people have died from head injuries that didn't break the skin. The law doesn't require one to sustain discernible injuries to prove self defense.

I completely agree and EMT's are trained to discern which injuries are problematic. The fact they didn't insist on treatment tells me something. JMO

 

[LambChop]

From the same article here is another one:

“That was the first thing that came out of the detective’s mouth,” Mr. Martin said. “That he had a squeaky-clean record, a license to carry a weapon and is studying criminal justice.”

Mr. Martin said he asked the officers whether they had checked his son’s record, and they said yes. He said that he asked because he knew that Trayvon had no record's.

So it appears from this statement that LE did not who TM was. How could they check his record if they did not know who he was unless they were able to get into his phone. This would go along with TM's name already on the incident reports that were typed up in the early morning hours. jmo