17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #17

[vlpate]

Here is a map showing where Zimmerman lives.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html

Thanks Doc - very helpful! Makes some things make a bit more sense.

 

[Isabelle]

That is a disturbing letter. Threatening.

Unable to open the pdf, probably my old computer. To whom was that letter sent? Thanks.

 

[annalia]

Either way it has NEVER really mattered....the snarled under the breath vindictive remark shows hatred, prejudice, and completely unfounded anger....Treyvon was never a punk, nor a goon and certainly not that other word.....

It is the attitude and INTENT of GZ that matters....any word you decide that you hear....it does NOT indicate impartial good will or sound judgement!

jmo

Exactly, it's just as bad and still shows his intent.

GZ knew nothing about Trayon, but he decided he was his judge, jury and executioner.

And as far as what GZ says happened, who cares, there was nothing else he COULD say, he sure wasn't going to say he attacked Trayvon, he sure wasn't going to say that he followed trayvon, the dead can tell no tales and GZ knew it.

I get more and more convinced every day that there needs to be a trial, ASAP.

JMHO

 

[vlpate]

I wasn't aware of any typo in the article, but it's not crucial to public perception at all when you consider that George told us the same thing in his 911 call:



Seems pretty clear to me, George says TM's running down towards the back entrance and he's following him.

Hugely different in sequence. He told the dispatcher he was following, he was told he didn't need to do that, GZ said, "OK"

Here is where the difference between "he continued following Trayvon" and "he continued down the same sidewalk", makes a big difference, IMO

It's those subtle differences that become case gospel and are referred to over and over again for years to come.

JMO

 

[Horace Finklestein]

More fallout from the disgraceful way the media and other players have inflamed the public:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-F...recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html

 

[HiHater]

Somehow I seriously doubt that.



~jmo~

The best way to tell what a person will do, is to look at what they have done...JMO

 

[annalia]

After listening to the even more enhanced audio it sounds even less like punks than before. There is no way in hell that word was punks, it's absurd in my opinion.

I really can't tell for sure , one time I think I hear one thing and the next time I think I hear another. It's one of the three, the slur, goons or punks.

No way is he saying cold, just listening to his tone of voice as he says it, sounds absurd that he was talking about how cold it is, plus there is a definte "s" sound at the end.

JMHO

 

[Isabelle]

I think the alleged letter to the NAACP from the alleged Concerned Zimmerman Family Member as well as the alleged letter sent to the alleged ungrateful woman from the Zimmerman Family, is very peculiar. I hope the Zimmerman Family continues to send out letters, lots of them.

By the way, Robert Zimmerman referred to the alleged letter in an interview with Sean Hannity. Link to which was posted earlier today. If you missed it, here it is: http://nation.foxnews.com/george-zimmerman/2012/04/05/zimmermans-father-speaks-out-hannity

Please update me. What letter was sent to 'the ungrateful woman'? Thanks

 

[vlpate]

If you have a handsfree device, yes, because there is a mic. My speaker is on my phone so if I were speaking and it was in my pocket no one could hear what I was saying. The earbuds are for hearing only. Plus once I slide the phone back I'm disconnected. They do not say he had a hands free device just earbuds.

Also GZ described TM as having something in his hand which I guessed was his phone since the ice tea and Skittles were still in his hood pocket when he was shot. He did not have anything else. jmo

Rossova posted a link that might help upthread.

 

[suzihawk]

Indeed! Yet, according to friends and attorneys of GZ, he was badly beaten, head into the concrete, bloody, wrestling in the fight for his life...The situation was so dire that his only option was to use his 9mm.
And yet, less than hour after after GZ shot to kill, the miracle of Sanford must have happened. Because I saw the tape of him walking with ease, absolutely no problems through the police station. I know he got looked over by the EMT's, but they didn't even give him so much as a SpongeBob Bandaid.

I don't buy the "physical attack" defense, either.

It's a small detail, but one of the things that caught my attention when he was escorted into the police station was that he had the presence of mind to wipe his feet on the doormat at one of the doorways. Perhaps it's insignificant, but it just seemed an odd thing to think about doing after you've just been beaten within an inch of your life. Just an observation that seemed oddly out of place given the circumstances.

(Trying to catch up)

 

[highflyer]

Unable to open the pdf, probably my old computer. To whom was that letter sent? Thanks.

To the NAACP and a woman.

 

[HiHater]

More fallout from the disgraceful way the media and other players have inflamed the public:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-F...recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html

Hard to tell what actually happened. From your link:

For investigators, it's unclear whether the assault was motivated by an attempt to avenge the Martin youth's death or whether Mr. Watts' "Remember Trayvon" message was misinterpreted as threatening or racist.

"It's still up in the air who started the verbal confrontation," Sergeant Kennedy said, adding that stories given by the suspect and the victim conflict and the investigation is ongoing.

When asked about the Trayvon remarks, Mr. Watts said, "All I meant by saying 'remember Trayvon' is to remember what happened to him, don't duplicate it here," suggesting that he was minding his own business as he walked home.

"The only reason I mentioned Trayvon, that was my defense," Mr. Watts said. "Don't pick on me. I am not your enemy."

BBM...Sounds like Mr. Watts may have inflamed these 6 people...can't blame the media too quickly IMO JMO MOO

 

[LambChop]

Rossova posted a link that might help upthread.

All that was mentioned were the earbuds. GZ told the dispatcher TM had something in his hand, he did not know what it was so assuming if TM was walking towards him it had to be small enough that GZ could not tell what it was. The ice tea and Skittles were still in TM hood pocket when he was shot. Other than the money TM had nothing else on him. jmo

 

[clarabelle]

Actually, the call logs document that he called in complaints on people he identified as white as well as Hispanic. I totally understand the comment that someone "looks [ethnicity here]" as sometimes at a distance it is hard to tell. I have often said that someone looks to be of one ethnic background but I'm not sure. IMO, there are many AAs who look white or Hispanic. And I myself am often mistaken for Hispanic or Middle Eastern. My own daughter who is not mixed race has been mistaken for biracial.

IMO, if GZ were sure of TM's race initially he would have said so. But he didn't. IMO, he saw a teenager cutting through the property and decided to follow him because of the recent burglaries, not because of the teenager's skin tone (which, IMO, would have been difficult to tell at night anyway).

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

I want to thank you for one of the most sane and intelligent posts on this thread. I am amazed at how much people cry racism because people with different color skin are involved.

 

[Isabelle]

that in no way changes the fact that a young man was killed.

And the claim of self defense in no way absolves GZ from responsibility. I just don't see how this can go down, no trial, nothing at all. People will be killing people just for the heck of it!

 

[Concerned Papa]

Hugely different in sequence. He told the dispatcher he was following, he was told he didn't need to do that, GZ said, "OK"

Here is where the difference between "he continued following Trayvon" and "he continued down the same sidewalk", makes a big difference, IMO

It's those subtle differences that become case gospel and are referred to over and over again for years to come.

JMO

Please understand that I'm not trying to argue the point with you, but since you made reference to a huge difference in sequence, that's precisely what it did.

Take your version of his continuing out the same sidewalk he was on all the way to the end as today's statement from RZ says. He then says he heads back towards his truck when jumped by TM at the point the other sidewalk meets the one GZ was walking on.

That TOTAL distance you're thinking he walked is only 313 feet. At avg walking speeds he would have covered the distance in 1:11. There's no way that could be factual because that would put him being attacked before he was ever asked for an address by the dispatcher AND almost a minute BEFORE the 911 call ended.

I agree there is a huge difference in sequence between these story lines and this one is extremely problematic for their credibility.

 

[LambChop]

It's a small detail, but one of the things that caught my attention when he was escorted into the police station was that he had the presence of mind to wipe his feet on the doormat at one of the doorways. Perhaps it's insignificant, but it just seemed an odd thing to think about doing after you've just been beaten within an inch of your life. Just an observation that seemed oddly out of place given the circumstances.

(Trying to catch up)

He could be overly tidy. jmo

 

[HiHater]

Actually, the call logs document that he called in complaints on people he identified as white as well as Hispanic. I totally understand the comment that someone "looks [ethnicity here]" as sometimes at a distance it is hard to tell. I have often said that someone looks to be of one ethnic background but I'm not sure. IMO, there are many AAs who look white or Hispanic. And I myself am often mistaken for Hispanic or Middle Eastern. My own daughter who is not mixed race has been mistaken for biracial.

IMO, if GZ were sure of TM's race initially he would have said so. But he didn't. IMO, he saw a teenager cutting through the property and decided to follow him because of the recent burglaries, not because of the teenager's skin tone (which, IMO, would have been difficult to tell at night anyway).

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

He called in complaints (pool party for example), but which of the white people were considered suspicious?

By that same token, if he were UNSURE of Trayvon's race, he also could have said so. He said he looks black. How often are white people mistaken for being black? Not often IMO. Especially not a black person a dark as Trayvon. We're not talking about someone who could pass for white or hispanic, we are talking about someone who is clearly dark skinned. IMO MOO JMO

 

[vlpate]

Please understand that I'm not trying to argue the point with you, but since you made reference to a huge difference in sequence, that's precisely what it did.

Take your version of his continuing out the same sidewalk he was on all the way to the end as today's statement from RZ says. He then says he heads back towards his truck when jumped by TM at the point the other sidewalk meets the one GZ was walking on.

That TOTAL distance you're thinking he walked is only 313 feet. At avg walking speeds he would have covered the distance in 1:11. There's no way that could be factual because that would put him being attacked before he was ever asked for an address by the dispatcher AND almost a minute BEFORE the 911 call ended.

I agree there is a huge difference in sequence between these story lines and this one is extremely problematic for their credibility.

No no - I was taking Fox to task for not quoting this man correctly - not you. As for where GZ was and how far he walked, etc., I don't have a clue. I know where he said he was, but no idea where he exited his truck. This is why the elder Zimmerman should not be giving details of the case on these talk shows and needs to keep it simple, IMO.

 

[i.b.nora]

Please update me. What letter was sent to 'the ungrateful woman'? Thanks

Well, um, Hannity's latest interview with Robert, Sr., talks about it a little. Basically it was a letter raging to the NAACP asking them to call off the dogs from his son George. And, it talked about the good that George had done on January 2, of 2011 when he passed out flyers to all the Black church-goers trying to activate the Black church-goers to go to a City Commission meeting and complain about the treatment by the then Police Department of a homeless man named Ware.
The letter to the woman was a copy of that letter, and chastising her for having attended a recent rally in the park which was urging the arrest of George. She was the sister of the man who George supported by going to all the Black churches, and therefore the implication was that she owed something in kind to George. The original letter also included sample flyers that George handed out, however they were not included in the PDF.

HTH.