17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #18

[Isabelle]

Still not understanding how going to the store after dinner says anything about his intentions or character. I hope this kind of thinking is not present in the grand jury proceedings.

Going to the store may have been used to show he was not actively patrolling the neighborhood at the time. If he wasn't acting as captain of NW, would the HOA have any responsibilities? And then again, he might have needed groceries and the going to the store story came up. Who knows!

 

[TonyGatto]

I haven't seen where TM had a criminal background...the kid has never been arrested last I read..

I just had to run a full scan...it seems I've got a redirect malware...after looking at articles on TM...:what:

someone doesn't want me looking...:giggle:

He had no criminal background. He was never charged with a crime, let alone convicted. And even if he was "casing" homes, that's not illegal. You can't be arrested for "casing" or looking at homes. Just like folks who are saying it wasn't illegal for GZ to follow TM.

 

[Footwarrior]

But look at the Washington Post link. They reported that all of TM's info was in the 3:26am police report. IMO, that's what we should be trying to sleuth.

The actual police reports had TM's home address, but not the address where he was staying.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I haven't seen where TM had a criminal background...the kid has never been arrested last I read..

I just had to run a full scan...it seems I've got a redirect malware...after looking at articles on TM...:what:

someone doesn't want me looking...:giggle:

He certainly does. He was caught with an empty bag of weed, caught with jewelry that wasn't his along with a screwdriver (determined to be a burglary tool), he allegedly punched a bus driver. He's been caught doing lots of stuff, just never arrested. He was given second chances, I'm assuming because of his age. This has been discussed here but people only want to look at the negatives in GZ's past.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Is domestic violence and assaulting a police officer not violence?. I'm not bashing GZ, my opinions are based on facts from his public records.

I stated in my post that I pray for TRUTH and JUSTICE and peace whatever the outcome. I also qualified my post as a personal opinion based on experience. Past actions do tell alot about a person....not only GZ but TM also. Unfortunately, Trayvon is unable to tell his side of the story and at this point in time all we are hearing is GZ's side. And IMO, he has a good reason to embellish his story.

I enjoy everyone's opinions and thoughts and welcome a lively discussion but I reserve the right to express my opinion. So please be kind and don't accuse me of bashing, as it is only my opinion based on the facts we have at this point in the investigation. Thank you.

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[Isabelle]

How did the 'was going to the store' think come up?
Did GZ tell LE he was going to the store?
Did GZ's family and friends state it in the media?
Anybody know where the 'going to the store' story came from?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

How do you know TM was attacking GZ. Link please?

The eyewitness report of TM on top of GZ, the documented injuries on the back of GZ's head. All in the police report. The links are all over the place. <modsnip>

 

[LambChop]

One ex-coworker anonymously telling a story does not make it true, imo.
If he really threw a woman across the room she would have sued or had him arrested, imo.
If ee accept that story, then we have to accept the one about TM punching the bus driver, imo. But there is no verification.

I am not saying he wasn't controlling, or obnoxious or out of control. But I do not see a lot of proven info that he was ,in fact, violent. He and his gf had a matching set of restraining orders. But he had no DV arrests that I know of.

He made calls about 6 suspicious persons, but did he ever attack or grab any of them before?

Right, being drunk and at an illegal party that she may have had some part in arranging...yep, I could see her calling LE. There would be proof of GZ being fired from his job. And we have heard nothing from GZ's camp about this story NOT being true. That would be because you don't pick at a sore, IMO.

The domestic violence charges are on the books and were handled at the "bench" level by the judge telling them to stay away from each other. I mean that always works, right???? Again, he manages to escape charges of a violent crime and there were more than one and they were dismissed each time. Amazing. Domestic violence is often not taken seriously by the courts. We've all seen it happen. jmo

 

[TonyGatto]

He certainly does. He was caught with an empty bag of weed, wrong, not bag o weed, residue caught with jewelry that wasn't his could have been his girl's along with a screwdriver (determined to be a burglary tool) it's a screwdriver, period, he allegedly punched a bus driver.kids talking on Twitter He's been caught doing lots of stuff, just never arrested. He was given second chances, I'm assuming because of his age. This has been discussed here but people only want to look at the negatives in GZ's past.

No evidence Trayvon even touched a gun, unlike GZ, who owned one, carried it, and used it to kill a 17 year old boy.

 

[Adrienne37]

How did the 'was going to the store' think come up?
Did GZ tell LE he was going to the store?
Did GZ's family and friends state it in the media?
Anybody know where the 'going to the store' story came from?

It started with Zimmerman going to the store for milk and then his Zimmerman Sr. during one of his interviews stated that he was going to the store for groceries because he always did his grocery shopping on Sunday night and that GZ had been texting his sister right before heading to the store.



~jmo~

 

[Isabelle]

BBM

This is what I was trying to figure out...you can meet force with force..

but is fist to guns meeting force with force? As I stated earlier, this was unbalanced from the start with GZ having a loaded gun to TM's fists...if he did beat GZ..but I keep going back to the funeral director who saw no trace of TM being in a fistfight...I wonder what the autopsy will show...

Interesting how the comments about TM seeing GZ's gun and saying to GZ,
something along the lines of 'you're gonna die'. I think that would put GZ within the law. Otherwise they way I read it, NOT and GZ should have been in jail a long time ago.

Does this law say that if you "think" someone has a gun you can kill them. I don't think so.

 

[Gin]

He certainly does. He was caught with an empty bag of weed, caught with jewelry that wasn't his along with a screwdriver (determined to be a burglary tool), he allegedly punched a bus driver. He's been caught doing lots of stuff, just never arrested. He was given second chances, I'm assuming because of his age. This has been discussed here but people only want to look at the negatives in GZ's past.

In many ways this seems to be bashing a murder victim. Trayvon can't speak for himself, he was silenced. I pray for justice.

 

[JeannaT]

From the 911 call:



When GZ made this statement at 7:13:14 pm, one thing becomes very clear.

When he pulled the trigger three minutes and twenty seven seconds later, he knew it was just a young boy he was killing.

Not to split hairs, but no one would call Trayvon a "young boy". He's as old as a boy can be and still be legally considered a boy.

Regardless, you don't have to die or be maimed at the hands of a boy in Florida. Even though Trayvon is underage, victims have the right to shoot to kill if he's slamming their head on the concrete.

 

[katydid23]

Right, being drunk and at an illegal party that she may have had some part in arranging...yep, I could see her calling LE. There would be proof of GZ being fired from his job. And we have heard nothing from GZ's camp about this story NOT being true. That would be because you don't pick at a sore, IMO.

The domestic violence charges are on the books and were handled at the "bench" level by the judge telling them to stay away from each other. I mean that always works, right???? Again, he manages to escape charges of a violent crime and there were more than one and they were dismissed each time. Amazing. Domestic violence is often not taken seriously by the courts. We've all seen it happen. jmo

Just because someone does not deny some rumor publicly, does not mean it is automatically true.

I think GZ should have been arrested that night. My only issue now is that he may be being unfairly judged and railroaded because of the initial backlash. And I hate to see that happen to anyone. I don't think he went 'hunting' for a black teen that night.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

He certainly does. He was caught with an empty bag of weed, caught with jewelry that wasn't his along with a screwdriver (determined to be a burglary tool), he allegedly punched a bus driver. He's been caught doing lots of stuff, just never arrested. He was given second chances, I'm assuming because of his age. This has been discussed here but people only want to look at the negatives in GZ's past.

No Horace...that was his school suspension...never arrested as far as I know..the weed residue makes him bad? Damn I believe the entire world should smoke weed...they'd be mellow and not so violent...:maddening:

Again, you're talking about unsubstantiated facts with the bus driver...I'd bet if he did punch a bus driver he would and should have been arrested...but that doesn't negate GZs actions this night..He knew nothing about TM or those allegations...so what point does that make???

I guess it depends if someone is outraged enough to know an unarmed CHILD was shot and killed by an older, supposedly more mature ADULT...patrolling the community with a loaded gun...I guess we should bring back uncivilizaiton and the wild west...:banghead:

 

[Horace Finklestein]

In many ways this seems to be bashing a murder victim. Trayvon can't speak for himself, he was silenced. I pray for justice.

I thought facts weren't bashing? People just want to silence any voice that supports GZ. Sad. Define anything supportive of GZ as bashing...nice. It's certainly relevant.

 

[TonyGatto]

The eyewitness report of TM on top of GZ, the documented injuries on the back of GZ's head. All in the police report. The links are all over the place. <modsnip>

The fact that GZ may have had injuries has absolutely no bearing on who attacked whom. If you are basing your assertion that TM attacked GZ on one eyewitness account, you should state it. And I have every right to ask you for a link it you make unsubstantiated claims. <modsnip>.

 

[CathyinTexas]

GZ claims he was on his way to Target and spotted TM on his way out by the clubhouse. However, GZ's father claims TM was cutting through the houses and that is why GZ was suspicious. GZ lives at the other end of the street and would not have been able to see TM cutting through if it happened the way GZ claims. But, FT's house is further up the road where FT could have seen TM using the cut through. So, did he call GZ and GZ hot-footed it out to his car to go check TM out????? That is why there is a question about Target, IMO. Two different versions of how GZ first noticed TM as being suspicious. jmo

I thought that GZ saw Trayvon entering the gated community through the gates from the road and he was facing toward him. I thought TM proceeded to walk on the sidewalk toward his destination and he walked by GZ or probably on the other side. Did GZ turn his car around and begin slowly following Trayvon and that is why TM "checked him out"? I never thought that FT might be involved. Good possibility though, but FT hasn't spoken with GZ (according to him) and it seems to keep their stories straight they would have to communicate. jmo

 

[Isabelle]

It started with Zimmerman going to the store for milk and then his Zimmerman Sr. during one of his interviews stated that he was going to the store for groceries because he always did his grocery shopping on Sunday night and that GZ had been texting his sister right before heading to the store.



~jmo~

At any rate, I don't think GZ's going to the store means anything except to say he was not acting as NHW Captain at the time, especially considering he was carrying his gun.

 

[i.b.nora]

How did the 'was going to the store' think come up?
Did GZ tell LE he was going to the store?
Did GZ's family and friends state it in the media?
Anybody know where the 'going to the store' story came from?

The Chief of Police was the first to mention it as I recall, although he didn't specifically say he was going to the store to get milk, he said (paraphrasing) 'George was on a personal errand.'