17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #18

[vlpate]

I'm getting really, really bad. Now when I type an email I automatically put..."jmo". Then I have to go back and delete it. I need a vacation.

:floorlaugh: That's hilarious - I emailed my 76 yr. old mom last week giving her my thoughts on my brothers chemo - at the end I wrote JMO - she emailed me back later and said she couldn't find anything on "JMO" lmao. God bless her for trying to google it though!

 

[LolaMoon08]

With this lady coming forward maybe they wanted those 911 calls removed. Does not give the people of Sanford the warm and fuzzies. Could this be the same lady who claims she called 911 and LE kept trying to change her statement????? jmo

Mary is the one who when LE questioned her the night of the shooting, she tried to tell them that it was Trayvon screaming, but the investigator corrected her and told her that it was George screaming. She also said she tried to get into contact with LE but they ignored her calls?

I don't think this is the same woman who went on CNN tonight because Mary has never been shy about showing her face to the cameras? Whoever this woman is, she claims close to the same thing Mary has claimed though, except Mary never told us that LE told her "If it's any consolation, the guy screaming is alive." Or whatever it was she said the officer told her?

Which is why I believe we now have TWO instances where this investigator put information into the heads of witnesses and that this "John" witness could have just as easily had it happen to him too and took LE's word for it... so when he was interviewed at his apartment, he would say it was George screaming??

It's just something to think about? Wish "John" would do another interview just to make sure this isn't what happened?

MOO

 

[Chris_Texas]

I still can't get a reasonable handle on what set this in motion. Wouldn't a young person who may see security guards at school, at the mall, believe that inside a gated community that someone checking him out just might be a security guard for the complex?

Malls and schools have uniformed security or even police.

HAD Trayvon assumed that the weird dude following him around was security he would have been incorrect. Zimmerman was not security, he was nothing more than a private citizen who had attended a seminar on how to dial 911.

Again, Zimmerman was not security, he was not an almost-cop, he was a dude running around with a gun playing cop. He had no authority to follow, stop, or question anyone -- and certainly not a juvenile.

 

[daisy7]

And, they never released John's 911 call, right?

 

[katydid23]

Doesn't mean he hasn't read the transcript or seen the video of the initial interview. Since the interview was with his client he would have legal access to it. Or gee maybe his client (you know the one that was interviewed) told him that.

jmo, imo and all that jazz

But the intervierw he was referring to, where he said it was shorter than what Banfield did on tv, THAT was the follow up interview. That is what my point was.

 

[LolaMoon08]

And, they never released John's 911 call, right?

I think "John" might have been the first 911 call released? For some reason, I keep thinking he said his name was "John?" I could be wrong too??

 

[LambChop]

Am I the only one who thinks GZ's story flies in the face of the history of race relations in Florida?

Travon Martin was a middle-class black teen in a Southern state. To my knowledge, he wasn't an angel, but he had no known history of gang involvement or violent offenses.

And he is visiting a condo owned by his father's gf within a gated complex in a town hundreds of miles from his home.

And we're supposed to believe he hid and jumped one of the white neighbors?

Trayvon had no way of knowing who GZ was, but he could reasonably assume GZ was a resident of the complex. Trayvon had no transportation to get away from the scene of any crime he might commit. Trayvon had no transportation to flee the jurisdiction and return to Miami until his father was ready to travel (the following day at the earliest).

Trayvon had a century of history telling him that in a dispute with a white resident (remember TM was only a guest), the police are most likely to side with the white guy.

Why in the hell would Trayvon Martin take the risk of "jumping" and beating GZ? If he took that risk, he must have been scared out of his wits; i.e., he had already seen the gun.

Now that makes sense. Thanks.

 

[CathyinTexas]

I wish we had at least a name for this witness or a idea of what she saw? Is it MC? Or would it be the woman from the call where we heard the actual shot fired?

My guess is her version differs with GZ as we know the SPD or DA chose to believe him and we have heard other witnesses said they were leaning toward GZ's story and ignoring what they said. jmo

 

[Concerned Papa]

If the police report is correct how did TM's body get so far away from the cut through where GZ was suppose to be walking and TM jumped him? jmo

It never was there, IMO. Remember, while not exactly the same as the wording of the SPD narrative, Tracy Martin showed us where the body was found while he was very near to 1231 Twin Trees.

Between these two sources, I think it's safe to say Robert Zimmerman's tale is further proven as false.

 

[csziggy]

I have another question?? The officer's who brought Zimmerman to the station... would they have had the gun or would that have been left with the detectives on the scene?

I would love to see the chain of custody that gun went through that night? Fingerprints should be very easy to obtain since LE got there so quick. Zimmerman and Trayvon's fingerprints should be on the gun.

MOO

On that initial report, Officer Timothy Smith is the one who GZ originally told he was armed, who collected the weapon from GZ's waistband and handcuffed GZ. Officer Smith put the gun into evidence as TS-1. Third and fourth pages of the report if you can find it online.

IMO, JMO, etc. because I can't give a link.

 

[vlpate]

Her story is just as credible as "John" who was so close he seen George screaming?

MOO

ETA: MC came out a long time ago saying LE "corrected" her statement. So if this is a completely different witness, not related to MC, I believe it. I'm wondering if "John" wasn't also told that it was "George" screaming and that is how he came to that conclusion?

MOO

Four feet away? That's the length of a seven year old - this witness could have seen food in GZ's teeth. The SA is not an idiot - if this person had a credible account, she would not be on CNN talking to Banfield.
JMO!

 

[Beyond Belief]

Following Nova's post on why Trayvon would attack Zimmerman is driving me crazy. I cannot find a reason. I also cannot logically sort out why Zimmerman would pull his gun. If he was going to hold him at gunpoint until the police arrived he would have been in all kinds of hot water.

Something happened there that we don't know about. JMO

 

[LolaMoon08]

I have thought all along that the reason there was any altercation was because Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun. I believe when Zimmerman caught back up with Trayvon (which I believe is what happened) he either already had the gun out or he was pulling it out and that is when I believe the altercation started. I think Trayvon may have tried to push George away, but George got a hold either his arm or jacket and that is when Trayvon turned and punched him in the face and then it was a life or death struggle for Trayvon to get the gun away from George.

The saddest part about this whole situation is... Had Trayvon gotten that gun and shot George... he would be sitting in jail facing at least 2nd degree murder charges. It wouldn't matter what he told LE, he would have been arrested for George Zimmerman's death. He could have screamed from the rooftops that he was only protecting himself, but imo, that wouldn't matter?

MOO

 

[LolaMoon08]

Four feet away? That's the length of a seven year old - this witness could have seen food in GZ's teeth. The SA is not an idiot - if this person had a credible account, she would not be on CNN talking to Banfield.
JMO!

You don't think the SA has talked to her? She said it was Sanford Police who wouldn't talk to her?

We'll just have to see how this all comes about?

I have a question, let's say Zimmerman never does get charged?? Can all these reports be released? Would they still be considered public record since there was an investigation?

 

[csziggy]

If I was a witness to a murder that has become this high profile, I would get an attorney too. No one wants to get Kronked!

I think she meant she held her phone up to the window screen so the operator could hear the screams better.

If that is true, her call is not any of the ones that were on the Sanford site until today unless the one call with the screams and shot on it was redacted. That part is not in any of the calls. I downloaded them all and have listened to every one at least three times, looking for objective information.

Some of the other details I heard tonight on CNN in Ashley Banfield's interview also don't match any of the calls I have listened to. I'll have to find the video tomorrow and review it to check.

Wasn't there a rumor floated here some days ago that there was one 911 call that had not been released? It was about the time the Chicago station had the screw up about the 911 call from Trayvon's phone and any discussion got buried in all that folderol.

IMO, JMO, etc.

 

[TonyGatto]

This is what confuses me about the whole story...

George gets out of his car and walks all the way over to where the other street is... so he passes that long sidewalk and he doesn't see Trayvon so he proceeds to the other street to check the address and begins walking back to his truck when Trayvon jumps him from behind? Where was Trayvon hiding that entire time? Looking where the back of the buildings would be and where the sidewalk is... it looks really open? Maybe I'm missing something like big trees or something because I just don't see where he could have been hiding?

Are the porches screened in at this complex? I would think so?

MOO

I was under the impression that they made a right turn to go in between the homes.

 

[vlpate]

Mary is the one who when LE questioned her the night of the shooting, she tried to tell them that it was Trayvon screaming, but the investigator corrected her and told her that it was George screaming. She also said she tried to get into contact with LE but they ignored her calls?

I thought MC said no one was screaming and there was no fight that she heard - she just heard whimpering and moaning.

<respectfully snipped>

 

[mercuriod]

I have thought all along that the reason there was any altercation was because Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun. I believe when Zimmerman caught back up with Trayvon (which I believe is what happened) he either already had the gun out or he was pulling it out and that is when I believe the altercation started. I think Trayvon may have tried to push George away, but George got a hold either his arm or jacket and that is when Trayvon turned and punched him in the face and then it was a life or death struggle for Trayvon to get the gun away from George.

The saddest part about this whole situation is... Had Trayvon gotten that gun and shot George... he would be sitting in jail facing at least 2nd degree murder charges. It wouldn't matter what he told LE, he would have been arrested for George Zimmerman's death. He could have screamed from the rooftops that he was only protecting himself, but imo, that wouldn't matter?

MOO

I think that GZ saw TM walking towards his dad's gf's back door as GZ was making his return trip, came up behind TM and grabbed him to "hold" him there for when the police arrive, he didn't want TM to get away before the police got there, as had happened so many times after GZ called the police on all the many "suspicious" kids he had already called them about in the past, remember "these a$$holes always get away". The police were probably sick of GZ, he knew they saw him as a fool who was always wasting their time, this time he was going to have "his person" in hand when they got there so not to look like the idiot he has always been in the past. I think when GZ grabbed TM, TM fought back (I know I sure as he l l would have) and was getting the better of "big man" GZ and GZ was not going to put up with that so he killed TM out of anger.

jmo, imo and all that jazz

 

[LambChop]

Following Nova's post on why Trayvon would attack Zimmerman is driving me crazy. I cannot find a reason. I also cannot logically sort out why Zimmerman would pull his gun. If he was going to hold him at gunpoint until the police arrived he would have been in all kinds of hot water.

Something happened there that we don't know about. JMO

Maybe TM grabbed the barrel and was trying to get it away from GZ, or TM was just trying to get away. RZ claims GZ said TM fell backwards after he was shot and we know that is not true TM was found face down. Had TM tried to get away and was part way up when shot he could have turned and fell flat with his hands underneath him.

Plus on PaPa's map, look at how far down they were from the cut through path. How would they have gotten that far away if TM jumped GZ on that cut through sidewalk as GZ's father is claiming. If GZ were telling the truth we'd be able to see it. jmo

 

[vlpate]

When they know the cause of death why would a drug test be necessary? TM broke no laws and it was not considered a "drug" case. jmo

Someone commented on this the other day - they said it is routine to do toxicology tests during certain autopsies. Not sure if this is true.

How do we know a drug screen was done on TM?