17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[grandmaj]

A little subpoena to PayPal will show where those funds are being pulled to. When you have money in a PayPal account you have to transfer it to another account to access it. Bank records will generally be a good trace. If he is indicted they could use that tool to find him if he doesn't surrender himself.

 

[uvamerica]

I'll be honest because they have had weeks to get something done and people are sick of waiting. This also makes the prosecutor appear weak because George is playing hide and go seek with her! Who is in charge here? This is turning into even more of a sideshow carnival.

I can see that she might be giving George a chance to come back home and turn himself in, but it's really irritating that we have to go through three more days of waiting on a guy who believes he is totally innocent. If he will be exonerated, fine - let him prove it in court.

All anyone ever wanted in this case is for the system to work for George the way it works for everyone else in the country. He made a choice and he has to put on his big boy pants, stop hiding behind Daddy and Frank Taaffe, and pull himself together.

I agree, its been nearly 8 weeks since the shooting, the SA has been on the case for about 3 weeks.
It's not as though they have a case where the victim is unidentified, or they have to go out and find the shooter. They know the victim, the shooter, where, when, time, place etc. the crime occurred.
The reason I think its taken so long is the part of the investigation into SPD. That could be another case in itself . :moo:

 

[legalmania]

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He will cite the journalist shield laws and refuse to give up any info.



Unless they had a signed retainer agreement prior to the representation, they cannot sue him for services rendered.



There is no open case so they can't file a notice of representation. Also, a lawyer does not have to unless there has already been a court appearance and someone else has already appeared. So a lawyer can appear at the beginning of a case, and not file any kind of notice. They just have to appear.

Actually it's a Notice of Appearance a Notice of Representation is for a partial representation.

(e) Appearance of Attorney. An attorney may appear in a proceeding in any of the following ways:

(1) By serving and filing, on behalf of a party, the party’s first pleading or paper in the proceeding.

(2) By substitution of counsel, but only by order of court and with written consent of the client, filed with the court. The court may condition substitution upon payment of, or security for, the substituted attorney’s fees and expenses, or upon such other terms as may be just.

(3) By filing with the court and serving upon all parties a notice of appearance as counsel for a party that has already appeared in a proceeding pro se or as co-counsel for a party that has already appeared in a proceeding by non-withdrawing counsel.

http://www.joffelaw.com/state-rules/2-505.html

 

[Isabelle]

Well since you asked......no. My bird is screaming at the top of her lungs, my great dane is chasing my cat around the living room, and my husband just got new drum heads and is banging away so hard the windows are shaking....which come to think of it might be why the bird is screaming. :banghead: But Thanks for asking.

Sounds like fun! A few minutes ago we had to shoo a very large unhappy possum from the orphan kitties food bowl (kitties were laying around watching the possum), then had to rescue my older cat from a neighbor's boat. Never a dull moment!

 

[Wise Old Owl]

A little subpoena to PayPal will show where those funds are being pulled to. When you have money in a PayPal account you have to transfer it to another account to access it. Bank records will generally be a good trace. If he is indicted they could use that tool to find him if he doesn't surrender himself.

I read somewhere tonight (don't remember so I don't have a link - therefore - JMHO) that GZ Sr. setup the paypal stuff for the website. So, if dad is controlling the money - it would be his bank and stuff. Still wouldn't be able to find out where he is that way. But, the FBI don't play. They will find him - if they don't already know. If GZ went out of the country he would have had to use his passport - very easy for the feds to track. Not much they can do though - he is a free man and therefore free to travel.


JMHO

 

[grandmaj]

Once again, too little, too late. What say you?

Maybe and this is just my opinion, there are a few loose ends to tie up, they want to quietly maybe make an arrest, to avoid someone else getting hurt. And/or they want to be sure that they have protective measures in place to protect the general public in the case of unrest?

I'm OK with waiting this prosecutor seems to think she needs this time for whatever reason. I think what I read was not 72 more hours, but within 72 hours.

 

[curl_in_progress]

I hate that I've been to the site GZ set up, but when I looked at the page views counter, it was at less than 100. I'm sure the majority of those visitors were just the press, curious supporters of Tray and Frank Taafe.

No wonder he can claim that he will personally respond to each supporter. It will take him all of 30 seconds to complete.

MOO

 

[Isabelle]

Please delete if not allowed- I was searching for up to the minute information and noticed the tone of the results that were coming up seemed to be all about preparing for 'pandemonium' (TM's attorney) that will happen if GZ is not arrested. I then searched trayvon and riot on a social media search engine. Lots of People are openly saying they are planning to riot if they don't like the outcome. Can they get in trouble for this like those who announced beforehand in the London riots? And do you think LE is monitoring this? And is it time to head out of Florida?!!!!!
Tia

I wouldn't plan a vacation in Florida anytime in the near future.

 

[legalmania]

One of the talking heads said that Zimmerman was sent paperwork to sign the lawyer or lawyers on, but he never signed and mailed them back. JMO

Yes I heard the same thing, so did they have an agreement?

 

[Isabelle]

I agree, its been nearly 8 weeks since the shooting, the SA has been on the case for about 3 weeks.
It's not as though they have a case where the victim is unidentified, or they have to go out and find the shooter. They know the victim, the shooter, where, when, time, place etc. the crime occurred.
The reason I think its taken so long is the part of the investigation into SPD. That could be another case in itself . :moo:

And trying to wade through whatever mess SPD made of the original investigation!

 

[Desdemona]

IMO it is an unspeakable shame that the reaction to Trayvon's tragic death has come to this. In the absence of confirmed facts or accurate information, the media's handling and the public reaction to the issues surrounding Trayvon's death have spawned a wild morass of hype and rabid speculation IMO. The current state of public discourse, despite good intentions on the part of many, and disgustingly impure ones on the part of some, in my view does little to honor the life and memory of the young man who has died. I feel sick over it. JMO

I hope the public will finally see some real evidence and facts about what actually took place on that terrible night. It will be such a relief if the answers can fill in at least most of the blanks. My wish would be that the information revealed may satisfactorily justify whichever decision the Prosecutor makes in this case, in the interest of justice. As for gearing up to disrupt the public peace (riots) if the decision doesn't go a certain way, even in the absence of any proof that LE have acted in bad faith? Wow.

In the meantime, talking heads, attention junkies and inciters alike continue to be "unleashed" in the media to exploit Trayvon's case for their own ends. IMO this will continue no matter what, and most of it has very little to do with seeking the truth about what happened on Trayvon's last night on this earth. Sadly (IMO), even among truly caring and good people, it seems to me as if misinformation and rumor continue to proliferate, even on this forum to some degree. This is my opinion only, and I mean no offense or disrespect to anyone here. JMO

I am heartsick, but will await the Prosecutor's announcement with hope for some semblance of a dignified resolution. Here's to everyone who cares so much, and here's to the truth, whatever it is. No matter what happens, may Trayvon be remembered with love by his friends and family, and may he rest in peace.

JMO
:tears:
bfn

P.S. Lola, I for one was quiet because it took me forever to write this post.

 

[highflyer]

Once again, too little, too late. What say you?

I posted this above.....

People are sick of waiting? If they are going to charge him I'd like them to take as much time as they need to get things in order. Same way if they are not going to charge Zimmerman. This case will be torn apart either way.

 

[Yoda]

IMO it is an unspeakable shame that the reaction to Trayvon's tragic death has come to this. In the absence of confirmed facts or accurate information, the media's handling and the public reaction to the issues surrounding Trayvon's death have spawned a wild morass of hype and rabid speculation IMO. The current state of public discourse, despite good intentions on the part of many, and disgustingly impure ones on the part of some, in my view does little to honor the life and memory of the young man who has died. I feel sick over it. JMO

I hope the public will finally see some real evidence and facts about what actually took place on that terrible night. It will be such a relief if the answers can fill in at least most of the blanks. My wish would be that the information revealed may satisfactorily justify whichever decision the Prosecutor makes in this case, in the interest of justice. As for gearing up to disrupt the public peace (riots) if the decision doesn't go a certain way, even in the absence of any proof that LE have acted in bad faith? Wow.

In the meantime, talking heads, attention junkies and inciters alike continue to be "unleashed" in the media to exploit Trayvon's case for their own ends. IMO this will continue no matter what, and most of it has very little to do with seeking the truth about what happened on Trayvon's last night on this earth. Sadly (IMO), even among truly caring and good people, it seems to me as if misinformation and rumor continue to proliferate, even on this forum to some degree. This is my opinion only, and I mean no offense or disrespect to anyone here. JMO

I am heartsick, but will await the Prosecutor's announcement with hope for some semblance of a dignified resolution. Here's to everyone who cares so much, and here's to the truth, whatever it is. No matter what happens, may Trayvon be remembered with love by his friends and family, and may he rest in peace.

JMO
:tears:
bfn

P.S. Lola, I for one was quiet because it took me forever to write this post.

Your post needed much more then a like. Thank you.

 

[itsreenw]

I've seen this before but I couldn't find the post when I looked for it. Just FYI, that call was George calling for a tenant at the community, not for himself. Someone posted the reports earlier, if you look you will see this on them

I'm not familiar with FL police reports or codes, but I can't see where it says he's calling for a neighbor. It looks like he was at Kohl's when he called, not in his complex.

In any case, that is not a police matter, it's a civil matter...and if what you are saying is true, it's none of his business.

 

[Karmady]

IMO it is an unspeakable shame that the reaction to Trayvon's tragic death has come to this. In the absence of confirmed facts or accurate information, the media's handling and the public reaction to the issues surrounding Trayvon's death have spawned a wild morass of hype and rabid speculation IMO. The current state of public discourse, despite good intentions on the part of many, and disgustingly impure ones on the part of some, in my view does little to honor the life and memory of the young man who has died. I feel sick over it. JMO

I hope the public will finally see some real evidence and facts about what actually took place on that terrible night. It will be such a relief if the answers can fill in at least most of the blanks. My wish would be that the information revealed may satisfactorily justify whichever decision the Prosecutor makes in this case, in the interest of justice. As for gearing up to disrupt the public peace (riots) if the decision doesn't go a certain way, even in the absence of any proof that LE have acted in bad faith? Wow.

In the meantime, talking heads, attention junkies and inciters alike continue to be "unleashed" in the media to exploit Trayvon's case for their own ends. IMO this will continue no matter what, and most of it has very little to do with seeking the truth about what happened on Trayvon's last night on this earth. Sadly (IMO), even among truly caring and good people, it seems to me as if misinformation and rumor continue to proliferate, even on this forum to some degree. This is my opinion only, and I mean no offense or disrespect to anyone here. JMO

I am heartsick, but will await the Prosecutor's announcement with hope for some semblance of a dignified resolution. Here's to everyone who cares so much, and here's to the truth, whatever it is. No matter what happens, may Trayvon be remembered with love by his friends and family, and may he rest in peace.

JMO
:tears:
bfn

P.S. Lola, I for one was quiet because it took me forever to write this post.

I could not agree more. I am trying to keep a cool head, reminding myself that I have a lot more information about this then the general public due to following it so closely so maybe I'm overeacting, and wondering whether or not that is a good or bad thing, or even healthy. I am dismayed in the extreme and also a little frightened of the long-term implications of this case. Very, very sad, divisive and about 10 million steps in the wrong direction for those who are not directly involved in the situation. Also, all jmoo

 

[codecracker]

I hate that I've been to the site GZ set up, but when I looked at the page views counter, it was at less than 100. I'm sure the majority of those visitors were just the press, curious supporters of Tray and Frank Taafe.

No wonder he can claim that he will personally respond to each supporter. It will take him all of 30 seconds to complete.

MOO

don't think that counter works right....it said a 100 earlier looked around the site came back to the page it said 593 then I refreshed it and it went up to 700.

 

[HMSHood]

Please delete if not allowed- I was searching for up to the minute information and noticed the tone of the results that were coming up seemed to be all about preparing for 'pandemonium' (TM's attorney) that will happen if GZ is not arrested. I then searched trayvon and riot on a social media search engine. Lots of People are openly saying they are planning to riot if they don't like the outcome. Can they get in trouble for this like those who announced beforehand in the London riots? And do you think LE is monitoring this? And is it time to head out of Florida?!!!!!
Tia

I am concerned that riots could happen, especially in Florida. To make matters worse, it is warmer than usual.

Los Angeles area in April 1992 had their second warmest April on record going back to 1895. The warmest April for that area was in 1989.

April 1992 Temperature
63.30°F

Temperature and Precipitation Rankings
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/ranks.php

Climate Division
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/us-climate-divisions.php

 

[legalmania]

Right, and usually what they do in Fl. is turn it over to the U.S. Marshalls to track him down and bring him in.

Since he's using a computer or phone for emails, texts, and these donation sites, it should be fairly easy to find him.

I don't think Zimmerman has what it takes to stay on the lam for a long time. I could be wrong but I just don't see it.

 

[flourish]

Whew, finally able to watch the presser from today and my goodness wasn't that something?!?!
My thoughts as of right now and I am so not even caught up with the thread so I apologize in advance if this is...oddly placed in the thread:

• I am offended by the lawyer's portrayal of TM as "slinking along" the backside of the buildings when in his next sentence refers to their being a sidewalk there and indicates (imo) that TM was walking on said sidewalk. And again, I'm asking, "Wth is so suspicious about walking on the back sidewalk?"
• So twisted-- the "okay" from GZ re: the "we don't need you to do that" but some sort of indication that "was cut off from the 911 tape" that seems to imply that the 911 operator was like "well if you're not gonna follow him can you tell 'em where he went?" and then that's when he got out to get the address...still baffling me that we're supposed to believe that GZ, this overly-vigilant, volunteer neighborhood watch person, who lived in a community with less than a handful of street names in it, had to get out of the truck to get an address and then just somehow ended up back behind the buildings. It appears to me that the lawyer is implying that GZ was essentially doing the police department's job at the request of the 911 operator. But that got cut off of the 911 tape? :what: Oh, please.
• Lawyer tries to tell the scenario about the "you gotta problem" and goes so far as to say he'd guess that GZ had grass stains on the bottom of his clothing (pants?) and TM wouldn't....wth? Yet he doesn't manage to mention the apparent lack of blood on GZ, except to tell us all to just forget the police department video.
• And, he just alienated me in a non-case-related sense by saying that on that February Sunday, "most of us sat in church..." :sigh:
• I'll repeat something I've said before: to me, "no justice, no peace" means that until this case is rightly processed through the justice system, there is no peace for young men to just walk down a sidewalk. That's how I've chosen to take it, because I do have a choice--I can choose to not be...incited to violence, but still hope for, and expect, a true and reasonable investigation here. *shrug*

 

[legalmania]

I am concerned that riots could happen, especially in Florida.

I'm hoping as Americans we have moved passed that mentality. A lot of people didn't like the Anthony decision but we moved on, I hope they can do that with this case.