17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[mikeysmommom]

Just released by SP: announcement to come within next 72 hours!

They know where GZ is and IMO they are having the 72 hr announcement to say he will not be charged.Most likely giving the police and National Guard time to set up to control the out burst they expect and the violence that usually follows when cases like these happen.JMO

 

[claudicici]

I am confident he will be charged.
I think it's a good sign that the prosecutor refused to speak to him,as she should have.

 

[itsreenw]

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Thank you for finding this. Whether or not this address belongs to Zimmerman was the question - whether or not it was his business is another matter. I'm perplexed myself why he is calling form a department store to report this. Nevertheless, it's not his house. Oddly, the address is very near the house where Traci Martin's girlfriend lives.

BEM: I looked at the address - 2621 Retreat View Circle - I am not familiar either, just deducing.

Ya know, as much as I've been following this case, I don't know GZ's address. I don't know why I haven't researched that. It sure would help when I'm looking at maps.

Anyway, I perceived from the report that his landlord may have called him about the rent while he was out and about and he called the police to file a complaint about it. If IIRC, it said GZ would be there in 10 min. But why give that address??

I assumed it was regarding he and his landlord because nobody else was referenced in the comments.

 

[Concerned Papa]

The nature of what little specific reference to the facts of this case made today by these attorneys speaks to either a remarkable lack of knowledge or a concentrated effort to manipulate public perception of what actually happened.

For example, in response to a question, one of these legal eagles started in on the 911 call, essentially saying words to the effect of "George was just going to the store and here's this guy slinking along behind the houses, so he called 911".

What a load of BS! Anyone who can listen or read knows that TM was walking down the street for the first 50% of a 4:07 long 911 call. He didn't set foot behind any town home in that development until he started "running" down the back sidewalk leading directly home at the 2:08 mark of the call.

He reiterated the ridiculous and completely false version of events relayed by GZ's father on the Hannity interview also.

If this deal were to go to court tomorrow, a first year law student could demolish whatever credibility in the legal profession he's supposed to have. I think these attorney's have been way more interested in getting face time in the media and being the mouthpiece for Zimmerman than they are in learning a fraction of this case that any WS member has cared enough to learn.

 

[AngelWings444]

IMO - the State's Prosecutor gave GZ 72 hour notice to turn himself in. According to his former attorney's, he is not in the state of Florida. Pretty sure the FBI has GZ on their radar. This all started with the announcement there would not be a grand jury. Seems like some test results might be in. Don't DNA and toxicology test results usually take about 6 weeks?

I feel sorry for the state of Florida, another circus has arrived, and I think they are there to stay. The cast of character's are just so, well...unusual. Just when I got back into shape after the Anthony debacle. opcorn: :drink:

JMO, MOO, and IMO

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I can't for the life of me figure out just what he was going to say to her? What kind of mood was he in? Was he going to be beligerent? Defiant? Sorry? Accept the responsibility? Just what did he have planned to tell her? Boy would I love to hear THAT tape.


JMHO


ETA: I was thinking about GZ calling Corey - it was in my brain - just didn't come out through my fingers. lol

 

[claudicici]

oh,just read the e-mail he wrote to apply for his citizen watch position or whatever it was.IMO his conversation with her would have been a lot like that.No way he feels remorse or guilt.

 

[Storm]

I am concerned that riots could happen, especially in Florida. To make matters worse, it is warmer than usual.

Los Angeles area in April 1992 had their second warmest April on record going back to 1895. The warmest April for that area was in 1989.

April 1992 Temperature
63.30°F

Temperature and Precipitation Rankings
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/ranks.php

Climate Division
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/us-climate-divisions.php

Then Cincinnati will riot ...we riot (as a city) way too often and unfortunately, it's often about police brutality..let's pray that cool heads prevail ^i^

 

[mdana]

Although I'm hoping for an arrest, I'm kind of thinking this ^^^ is what's actually going to happen.

Isn't the toxicology report due this week? I have thought this is more likely, unless it will not be made public.

 

[TorisMom003]

I can't for the life of me figure out just what he was going to say to her? What kind of mood was he in? Was he going to be beligerent? Defiant? Sorry? Accept the responsibility? Just what did he have planned to tell her? Boy would I love to hear THAT tape.


JMHO


ETA: I was thinking about GZ calling Corey - it was in my brain - just didn't come out through my fingers. lol

WOO, I personally feel that he was going to try and BS his way out of the situation. Tell her all of the things that he has been going over in his mind that sounds resonable and plausible for a self-defense claim. Heck, it worked with the majority of the SPD, why not try it on the special prosecutor as well. I doubt very seriously that sorry has ever crossed his mind. From his previous actions he is always without fault. So why would he be sorry?

MOO

 

[frenchvixen]

It's funny that FT keeps reverting back to the police reports when he is asked questions. Yet, he confidently states how he believed TM ended up on his face after being shot. What he said made absolutely no sense and now I am sure that GZ shot TM while TM was standing. First of all, if TM was on top of GZ his screams would not have been so clear. He probably broke free of the fight and stood up to scream loudly for help and then GZ shot him.. TM supposedly said to GZ, "you got me" or "you shot me".. held his chest in disbelief (this is my input now) and then fell to the ground face down with his hands underneath him. There is no way that TM would be on top of GZ get shot in the chest and then end up on his face. I don't care how FT or GZ's attorneys or GZ spins it it is not possible.

I keep having a recurring thought that TM's mom dreams about him and the dream he tells her exactly what happened :-(

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Isn't the toxicology report due this week? I have thought this is more likely, unless it will not be made public.

It seems in other cases anyway, the toxicology report comes back in about 6 weeks. So that would be about right.

 

[mdana]

I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have enough information,enough facts.IMO we have more than enough,more than in most cases.We have 911 calls,we have eye witnesses,we have a dead body !!! The only thing missing is TWO MINUTES.
IMO it doesn't take a genius to determine what happened in those minutes.All I know is IMO if Trayvon attacked GZ in those 2 minutes,if he initiated the physical confrontation it was because HE feared for his life.What other reason could there have been? GZ was following him for no reason,of course he was afraid,if he did attack him it would be his SYG right wouldn't it?

Due to SYG there is a higher threshold to arrest, and if the prosecution loses they are liable for all costs incurred by the defendant. The only cases I know of in Florida that have been brought to trial almost always have an eyewitness or video of the killing that contradicts the accused's statements. Even in many of those cases the accused was not convicted.

Since its passage in 2005, the "stand your ground'' law has protected people who have pursued another, initiated a confrontation and then used deadly force to defend themselves. Citing the law, judges have granted immunity to killers who put themselves in danger, so long as their pursuit was not criminal, so long as the person using force had a right to be there, and so long as he could convince the judge he was in fear of great danger or death.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...ts-those-who-go-far-beyond-that-point/1222930

 

[mdana]

It seems in other cases anyway, the toxicology report comes back in about 6 weeks. So that would be about right.

I remember reading or hearing they expected results by April 14th, unless I am confusing that with some other deadline.

 

[mdana]

WOO, I personally feel that he was going to try and BS his way out of the situation. Tell her all of the things that he has been going over in his mind that sounds resonable and plausible for a self-defense claim. Heck, it worked with the majority of the SPD, why not try it on the special prosecutor as well. I doubt very seriously that sorry has ever crossed his mind. From his previous actions he is always without fault. So why would he be sorry?

MOO

Did it?

I find it very odd reporting by the media to state the lead investigator wanted to press charges, when it was SPD that wanted to file charges, but they were overuled by the prosecutor's office. They don't state that Harry Reid wanted a certain bill that was vetoed by the President when a majority of Democrats supported it.

 

[itsreenw]

There may be riots in Florida, but I think they will be in isolated areas that are already plagued with an out of control society. The gangs will use any reason to murder and assault people.

Apparently, so does GZ. So did these upstanding citizens...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/us/oklahoma-shootings/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1

Perhaps this discussion should be carried over to the Trayvon Martin Forum where 'anything goes'.

 

[gitana1]

Please delete if not allowed- I was searching for up to the minute information and noticed the tone of the results that were coming up seemed to be all about preparing for 'pandemonium' (TM's attorney) that will happen if GZ is not arrested. I then searched trayvon and riot on a social media search engine. Lots of People are openly saying they are planning to riot if they don't like the outcome. Can they get in trouble for this like those who announced beforehand in the London riots? And do you think LE is monitoring this? And is it time to head out of Florida?!!!!!
Tia

I'm hoping this does not happen. People have been worried about riots in this case from day one, yet we have had several, large protests with no hint of violence.

Nevertheless, HMShood mentioned the heat and the connection to riots, plus someone mentioned the economy and that is a bad combo.

Actually it's a Notice of Appearance a Notice of Representation is for a partial representation.

(e) Appearance of Attorney. An attorney may appear in a proceeding in any of the following ways:

(1) By serving and filing, on behalf of a party, the party’s first pleading or paper in the proceeding.

(2) By substitution of counsel, but only by order of court and with written consent of the client, filed with the court. The court may condition substitution upon payment of, or security for, the substituted attorney’s fees and expenses, or upon such other terms as may be just.

(3) By filing with the court and serving upon all parties a notice of appearance as counsel for a party that has already appeared in a proceeding pro se or as co-counsel for a party that has already appeared in a proceeding by non-withdrawing counsel.

http://www.joffelaw.com/state-rules/2-505.html

Got ya'. In California, the new attorney can just show up in a criminal case. That's their appearance. But, in any state, no notice of any kind can be filed until their is a case that has been opened.

I am confident he will be charged.
I think it's a good sign that the prosecutor refused to speak to him,as she should have.

he wanted to talk to her? What have I missed?

Then Cincinnati will riot ...we riot (as a city) way too often and unfortunately, it's often about police brutality..let's pray that cool heads prevail ^i^

Man, I think we've had more riots over sports than over racial issues, in our country!

 

[AngelWings444]

I thought it was a bit beyond the pale too, but then I noticed halfway through the mocking thing he pulled himself back in and did the rest of the quoting in normal voice.

But I actually thought it was quite funny. It's refreshing when people don't act all completely PC and in control all the time.

Like GZ not being in control right now, nor the night Trayvon was killed. I find nothing funny about this press conference, the attorney's lack of regard for the law, violating attorney client confidentiality, mocking the victim's family, mocking anyone supporting justice for Trayvon, mocking the congresswoman etc..

An unarmed 17 year old is dead, there is nothing funny or amusing. I believe these "lawyers" are about to find out the extent of their lack of professionalism very soon. Then, I remember JB and his cohorts, all getting away with similar unethical behavior. It's appalling to our justice system.

Justice should be served in a court of law, not by Yoo Hoo lawyers making arses out of themselves. As far as I know, since the beginning, the Martin family has only asked for a reasonable investigation into the death of their unarmed child.

JMO, MOO and way, past my bedtime.

 

[frenchvixen]

I don't understand why people keep saying we don't have enough information,enough facts.IMO we have more than enough,more than in most cases.We have 911 calls,we have eye witnesses,we have a dead body !!! The only thing missing is TWO MINUTES.
IMO it doesn't take a genius to determine what happened in those minutes.All I know is IMO if Trayvon attacked GZ in those 2 minutes,if he initiated the physical confrontation it was because HE feared for his life.What other reason could there have been? GZ was following him for no reason,of course he was afraid,if he did attack him it would be his SYG right wouldn't it?

Very well said, madam. I think many of us have lost track of the matter at hand. I feel in my heart that Trayvon was done an injustice when he lost his life. I feel he should be alive today. It just crossed my mind that if I see GZ in Florida I can kill him b/c I know that he has killed before and I feel threatened by his presence. I believe this falls under SYG, doesn't it?

 

[fran]

Gonna lock up for the night. See you all tomorrow.

fran

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