17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[suspicious1]

Pure speculation: Trayvon was either shot in the back or from a further distance than we have been led to believe.

JMO IMO MOO

We're on the same page. The autopsy report is going to tell the tale. I find it weird though that not even Crump has seen this report? IMO, either Tray was shot in the back which would show that he was trying to get away from GZ or he was shot standing up with longer distance between the two which would mean to me that GZ had another option to diffuse the situation.....RUN. A shot in the back would also explain him laying face down he could've fell forward from the impact. I wonder why GZ sat on his back afterwards? I still can't figure that one out.

Jmo

 

[JeannaT]

We're on the same page. The autopsy report is going to tell the tale. I find it weird though that not even Crump has seen this report? IMO, either Tray was shot in the back which would show that he was trying to get away from GZ or he was shot standing up with longer distance between the two which would mean to me that GZ had another option to diffuse the situation.....RUN. A shot in the back would also explain him laying face down he could've fell forward from the impact. I wonder why GZ sat on his back afterwards? I still can't figure that one out.

Jmo

Since no charges have been filed and there's a criminal investigation in progress, I'm not surprised that an attorney doesn't have access to the autopsy report yet.

 

[annalia]

Yep, distrubing...SPD should have...

Some think GZ sounded 'drunk' on those 911 calls..his speech was slurred and yet, the police didn't test him? Shouldn't that be standard???

I think SPD botched this from the start..they should have treated GZ as a suspect ... tox reports, GSR...blood splatter, bullet entry...autospy...he should have been told the investigation was still ongoing and that he should not attempt the leave the state of Florida...Now, he might be gone...would his family know where he's at and would they give him up?

This is getting really frightening...I certainly hope someone has a handle on GZ..

BBM

You would think so but that always seems to get brushed off. :waitasec:

And since they didn't do any tox tests on GZ, what is the significance of Trayvon's tox tests?

Say they found pot in his system, that means it proves that he wasn't really walking home from the store? We know that pot stays in your system for a certain period of time, so what will that prove?

JMHO

 

[cityslick]

GZ will have to prove that if there are charges. He will either have to convince a judge or a jury. MOO

It's also going to come down to what the witnesses saw or heard. If he really did sustain injuries, I would think it would then come down to the fight/scuffle, who saw what, who was really screaming, who was on top of who, etc.

 

[Sensei]

My guess is, the tox tests were part of the autopsy, not part of the criminal investigation. Not to try to prove TM might have been acting oddly, but to decide if drugs in his system contributed to his death.

Since GZ was living, no autopsy was performed and no need to discover cause of death. Since he was treated by paramedics at the scene I think they would have noticed impairment or smelled alcohol if that were the case.

you think they might have noticed impairment that they could not contribute to a hard whack on the head?

If they thought he was acting funny because he was hit on the head, then they should have sent him to hospital for tests.

If they noticed no such impairment, nothing at all to indicate that he had in fact been hit on the head hard, then where do we put the information that he was in fear of his life because of being hit on the head.

not a blasted thing about that scenario makes any sense at all including the location of the marks on his head. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[mysteriew]

I could be entirely wrong, but I do believe an arrest is coming. IF he could and did waive his rights over the phone, (which I don't believe that she would accept because it may end up being problematic, how do you know who you are talking to on the phone?) If she did talk to him, and he said something that she could use to charge him, or use in Court I can see a huge legal wrangle over it, and it possibly being tossed....

You would never take that chance if you want to charge someone and take them to Court since there is a less than fifty percent chance that it would survive and ever be heard anyway, let alone the challenge to his Miranda rights and so forth.

Good points.

The other possibility is that he made an appointment to come in and talk with her unrepresented. And that she is saying she won't have the news for 72 hours because she doesn't want media camped out on her doorstep in between time.

 

[angelmom]

Not sure a broken nose would show up on an x-ray, unless the part of the skull that is attached to the cartilage forming the bridge of the nose is also broken. In reality a broken nose isn't really 'broken', but is a case where the cartilage is torn/ separated. A look at the front of a skull would tell more in terms of how the cartilage is attached to the skull.

I don't think that's true. I broke my nose on the steering wheel in a minor car accident (no seatbelt :blushing: ) and they took x-rays. They showed me where it was broken, even though it was a very slight fracture that I didn't even have to have treated.

Also, I was transported by ambulance for my own safety since I had hit my head. There were no ifs ands or buts about it.

That was a long time ago, but it was in Florida.

 

[suspicious1]

My guess is, the tox tests were part of the autopsy, not part of the criminal investigation. Not to try to prove TM might have been acting oddly, but to decide if drugs in his system contributed to his death.

Since GZ was living, no autopsy was performed and no need to discover cause of death. Since he was treated by paramedics at the scene I think they would have noticed impairment or smelled alcohol if that were the case.

How would drugs in his system contribute to his death?

All he was doing was walking and talking on the phone. Jmo

 

[KateNY]

Trayvon Martin's coach breaks silence

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/11/trayvon-martins-coach-breaks-silence/?hpt=ng_mid

thanks for that, hadn't seen it

"he didn't have a mean bone in his body"......

 

[mikeysmommom]

Until the rally's and the media coverage, the investigation WAS over.

That IMO was what Mr.Crumb(sp)wanted people to believe, but was it the truth?Where is the proof they stopped investigation?Just because they did not arrest GZ does not mean they stopped investigating.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Understand where you are coming from, but I am so very glad that I did as I now can light a candle for someone often and keep the *after*case alive for the "other" case, in addition to meeting and getting to know many fellow :websleuther: and mods VERY well over the years that now are here in this thread. :grouphug:

Perhaps more of such through this case as I'm getting to know folks much better in this case it seems.

I am honored to be here with you and everyone else for this case, atthelake!
I've met many friends during the Caylee and Oklahoma girls and other cases since I joined WS in 2008 so I plan to ride this one out with you all. And, we have the best mods ever!

My post was due to my frushtration at the circus atmosphere that has enveloped this case and I didn't mean to offend. {{{Group hug backatcha}}}

wm

 

[AngelWings444]

IMO They did not portray him as a whack job,just as someone who has had their world turned upside down due to having to defend himself. I would imagine only someone like a gang member who has killed for sport would not be affected by having to shoot a 17yr old.JMO

GZ seemed pretty cool and collected that evening. IMO - it didn't seem to affect him much.

In regards to having an x-ray done of his nose, maybe he did and maybe he didn't. An x-ray could show an old break. IMO - GZ's nose was not broken that evening, nor was his head beaten on the concrete, as it's been reported by GZ's friends/family/attorneys. The police video speaks volumes, no blood, no broken nose, no beating of his head into the concrete. Both of these types of wounds bleed severely, no way to avoid blood on his clothing. Maybe he got a bump on his head? Huge difference. I wonder if the bump on George's head resembles the bump you would receive from the handle of a gun. :waitasec:

JMO - IMO

 

[nursebeeme]

My guess is, the tox tests were part of the autopsy, not part of the criminal investigation. Not to try to prove TM might have been acting oddly, but to decide if drugs in his system contributed to his death.

Since GZ was living, no autopsy was performed and no need to discover cause of death. Since he was treated by paramedics at the scene I think they would have noticed impairment or smelled alcohol if that were the case.

I agree with this in part (I agree that he is not dead and the paramedics may have noted impairment but not necessarily)

That being said I do not agree that the SPD should not have conducted a thorough investigation including drug/alcohol testing on the GZ who had just shot an unarmed kid. All they had was his (GZ) word. That is not how you conduct an investigation. They should have treated it like any other shooting and homicide investigation imhoo.

I think all kinds of heads will roll over the way they conducted the investigation imhoo.

Well, actually didn't the chief already step down iirc?

 

[jaded cat]

My guess is, the tox tests were part of the autopsy, not part of the criminal investigation. Not to try to prove TM might have been acting oddly, but to decide if drugs in his system contributed to his death

Since GZ was living, no autopsy was performed and no need to discover cause of death. Since he was treated by paramedics at the scene I think they would have noticed impairment or smelled alcohol if that were the case.

If he was claiming a head injury, impairment prior to the confrontation is irrelevant. I've never heard of someone who shot someone and claimed self defense not being tested for drugs or alcohol. That is simple standard police procedure.

BBM

What contributed to his death was a bullet. I very much doubt drugs caused that, unless the person using the drugs was GZ.

 

[jaded cat]

Since no charges have been filed and there's a criminal investigation in progress, I'm not surprised that an attorney doesn't have access to the autopsy report yet.

TM's parents would be entitled to have the results of the autopsy report on their son. TM was a minor child, in the eyes of the law. And they certainly knew what they saw when they viewed their son's body, in terms of physical injuries to TM. No reason to expect them to say anything about that.

 

[Aedrys]

That IMO was what Mr.Crumb(sp)wanted people to believe, but was it the truth?Where is the proof they stopped investigation?Just because they did not arrest GZ does not mean they stopped investigating.

Usually when the decision to bring no charges is made, that stops the investigation. Why would they continue to investigate if they decided there was nothing that needed to be investigated?

 

[Sensei]

That IMO was what Mr.Crumb(sp)wanted people to believe, but was it the truth?Where is the proof they stopped investigation?Just because they did not arrest GZ does not mean they stopped investigating.

That is what the Police Chief SAID, in fact when the media started covering this and there were demands for a reinvestigation Chief Lee stated in one publication that he was confident in his department's work, that their investigation was thorough and complete and he welcomed anyone to come in and look over their investigation....

IOW, he is stating that the investigation was OVER...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

AG vows thorough review in Trayvon Martin case
By PETE YOST and SUZANNE GAMBOA, AP
16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday that the Justice Department will take appropriate action in the killing of Trayvon Martin if it finds evidence that a federal criminal civil rights crime has been committed.

The attorney general made the comments in an appearance before a civil rights organization founded by the Rev. Al Sharpton.

Holder said the department will conduct a thorough and independent review of the evidence in the Martin matter. One of the department's top priorities, said Holder, is preventing and combating youth violence and victimization.

The Justice Department launched an investigation of the Martin killing three weeks ago...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120411/US.Holder.Trayvon.Martin/

 

[Adrienne37]

Trayvon's parents will be holding a press conference today at 1 p.m. HLN will carry live.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If SPD asked GZ to take a blood test to determine if he was impaired by drugs or alcohol and he refused, could SPD have forced him to take the test?